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    Sony VAIO G Series Review

    Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by John Ratsey, Oct 22, 2007.

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    by John Ratsey, England

    Overview and Introduction

    The Sony Vaio G series is an exception to the trend towards widescreen notebooks and has a 12.1” XGA display. The headline features of the G11 are the 1.13kg (2.49lb) weight and 9 hour battery life. How do these seemingly incompatible features stack up in real life? This review is of the Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B which is the less expensive of the two G series models current in the UK at the time of this review. The G series was launched in Europe in early 2007 and a refresh (G21) with dual core CPUs was announced while this review was being prepared.

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    The G11 outside (view large image)

    Reasons for Buying

    My Samsung Q35 went to a new home and I am nearly happily settled with the Zepto 6024W. However, while the Zepto has the power and screen real estate that I like, it is still a bit big for the days when I want to travel light while the battery performance isn’t as much as I would like. I had seen the Sony a few months ago and was impressed by the small size, weight and very readable display.

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    The 12.1” Sony G11 between the 13.3” Fujitsu S6120 and the 14.1” Zepto 6024W with 15.4” Samsung X60plus at the back (all displays at maximum brightness) (view large image)

    I stumbled across a website offering the G11 at a discounted (just over £1,000) almost 1/3<sup>rd</sup> below Sony’s RRP. I suspected that this could be a clearout related to the impending arrival of the new model and, after a short evaluation of the alternatives decided to place an order. I knew from the Q35 that the pixels on 12.1” widescreen are too small for my eyes and the only other 12.1” non-widescreen option is the heavier (and without optical drive but more powerful) ThinkPad X61. In fact, my first attempt to buy a cheap G11 failed because the stock had disappeared before my order was processed but I found another site at a similar price (and they ran out about half an hour after my order went through). Since then I have seen them even cheaper at another site! My G11’s box had what looks like a warehouse label dated 28/02/2007.

    What’s in the Small Box?

    The G11 came in a commendably small box containing in cardboard packaging:

    • The G11 computer
    • The PSU, power cable, a battery and a modem cable with UK plug
    • A stack of multi-language documents (but no paper copy of a user guide)

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    The contents of the box (view large image)

    Hardware Specs: Sony VGN-G11XN/B

    My configuration comprised the following hardware and specifications:

    • CPU: Intel Core Solo ULV U1500 (1.33Ghz) with Intel 945GMS chipset
    • Display: 12.1&quot; XGA (1024 x 768) matte LCD with LED backlight
    • Memory: 1GB (2 x 512MB) PC4200 RAM (533MHz)
    • Hard Disc: 100GB 5400rpm 1.8” HDD (Toshiba MK1011GAH)
    • Graphics: Intel GMA950 integrated GPU
    • Optical Drive: Mat****a UJ-852S tray loading Super-Multi Dual Layer
    • Network: Marvell Yukon 88E8055 Gigabit Ethernet
    • Bluetooth: Alps UGPZ6 USB Bluetooth
    • Modem: Motorola SM56 Data/Fax modem
    • Wireless: Intel 3945 802.11abg wireless
    • Ports: 2 x USB 2.0, 1000Mb/s network (RJ45), modem (RJ11), VGA, microphone, headphone, 1 x PC Card slot
    • Media card reader: Ricoh hardware supporting SD / SDHC /MMC and Sony Memory Stick in separate slots
    • Audio: Realtek ALC262 high definition audio + single internal loudspeaker
    • Touchpad: Alps touchpad 65mm x 39mm
    • 6 cell battery (10.8V, 5800mAh = 62.64Whr)
    • Sony 45W (16V, 2.80A) power supply with 2-pin connector
    • Dimensions: published:- 277 x 215 x 23.5 ~ 25.5mm, actual 277 x 214 x 25.5~28.5mm (10.9 x 8.43 x 1.00~1.12” (including feet))
    • Weight : published = 1.13kg, actual = 1.12kg (2.47lb)
    • Travel weight including PSU and cables 1.39kg (3.06lbs)

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    The weigh in: Without and with PSU and power cables (kilograms) (view large image)

    Software

    • Vista Business 32 bit with Vista Anytime Upgrade DVD
    • Microsoft Office 2003 SBE trial (installer)
    • Microsoft Works 8.5
    • Adobe Acrobat 8 Standard (installer)
    • Adobe Photoshop Elements 5 (installer)
    • Roxio Easy Media Creator 9 (installer)
    • Protector Suite QL
    • Picasa 2
    • WinDVD 8 for Vaio
    • Norton Internet Security (installer)

    No backup media are supplied with the computer but there is a restore partition (using 9.5GB) on the hard disc. Users have to use the recovery utility to make backup discs (two single layer or one dual layer DVD).

    The G11 came with a relatively large pile of leaflets of which the only one in colour and English language only was a Sony Accessories catalog. The biggest document was about the warranty with 122 pages covering 13 languages. Other documents included a simple diagram showing how to get the computer started; a 12-language Regulations Guide; a 6-language Troubleshooting Guide; a 4-language Recovery Guide and some other bits of paper including a product identifier for Microsoft Works. The User Guide is provided as a PDF file.

    Design and Build

    The dominant feature of the G11 is its light weight which is the result of the use of carbon-fibre material. Without the battery in place the G11 feels as if it might blow away in the wind. Sony have targeted this notebook at business professionals who value battery time over performance and prefer screen height to width since most of their work is with documents. Such people are also likely to have ageing eyes and value legibility of the larger pixels.

    The G11’s colour scheme is black. However, the display surround and back seems to be a darker black than the chassis.The main chassis is very rigid. The palm rests sound hollow but nothing feels fragile. The battery is slight loose even when locked into position, but this seems to be a standard Sony design feature. The thin and unusually flexible display is a little disconcerting: Trying to open the display by one corner just results in the whole screen bending. However, it does not feel as if it might break. Pushing on the back of the display can cause ripples on the screen.

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    The display bends (view large image)

    During travel the display is held closed by spring-loaded hinges. The hinges have no looseness and are adjusted to hold the display firmly in position without needing to use two hands to adjust the display position. The hinge is an unusual design which has the pivots built into the back edge of the sides of the chassis and results in the screen being quite low when open. The bar which forms the hinge also stiffens up the bottom edge of the screen.

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    The hinge (view large image)

    The bottom of the computer is smooth, with small protruding feet about 1.5mm (1/16” long). There is a single removable cover for the RAM slot. There are some small air vents on the bottom but they are supplemented by other air vents on the sides. The standard 6 cell battery fits inside the chassis between the keyboard and the hinge and occupies the full thickness of the computer. The battery is slotted in from below and is held in place by two latches, one of which is spring-loaded to facilitate removal.

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    Underside of the G11: The only removable cover is for the RAM slot (view large image)

    The Keyboard

    The front edge of the palm rest is bevelled and is a comfortably low 21mm from the table surface. The keyboard on the Zepto 6024W has an almost standard layout. The Fn key occupies the front left corner which suits me fine but will cause other people to run away. There are 83 keys which have clear white markings on a black plastic background. The Ctrl key is in the bottom left corner which will please many people (not including myself).The keys are slightly small 17mm pitch which will confuse touch-typists but there’s no space for anything bigger within the width. Personally, I miss dedicated Pg Up and Pg Dn keys and would have been pleased if these had been provided instead of blank spaces between the left and right cursor keys and the right space bar.

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    The G11’s keyboard without the battery in place (view large image)

    The keyboard is responsive and has a comfortable action in spite of the limited travel. There is some bounce in the central part, but not enough to disrupt typing. The Fn keys include the usual options for display switching, brightness and volume controls. Fn+F10 toggles a zoom option which enlarges the display to 800 x 600 resolution. Fn+F6 toggles the touchpad while Fn+F12 enables hibernation.

    The touchpad is a reasonably generous 64mm x 39mm and is slightly recessed into the palm rest. It is an Alps touchpad with a limited range of additional functions. I would have liked to be able to define tap zones for the Pg Up and Pg Dn commands but cannot find this option. The touchpad buttons are right on the front edge of the palmrest. The palmrest is almost covered with stickers listing the key features and the specification.

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    Front indicator lights and audio sockets (view large image)

    There are four indicator lights on the front right edge of the palm rest so they are visible from above and from the front. Someone at Sony has realised that this location is more likely to be visible, at least for people who use a mouse, than the more popular indicator location under the user’s left palm. From left to right the lights are: Battery; HDD (also include ODD and other media) access; WLAN on; and Bluetooth on. The lights have symbols to make them easy to interpret.

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    The switches at the back of the keyboard (view large image)

    The power button is located above the Delete key with a green light on the edge of the chassis. This light is visible whether the computer is open or closed. There are three keyboard indicator lights between the power button and the delete key. These are simple green LEDs with a small printed legend next to them. There are two other buttons between the power button and the display. One button ejects the optical drive. The other is user-configurable but, by default, is preset to stop unwanted action during a presentation such as a screen saver or email alert. Above the keyboard on the left side are a fingerprint reader and a hardware wireless switch.

    A Tour of the Sides

    Overall, the ports are quite well laid out. The fan exhaust is near the back on the left side while there are no sockets near the front of the right side to get in the way of a mouse. However, the audio ports are at the right side at the front and wires with straight plugs could still get in the way. There is no built-in microphone, There are two USB ports, one each near the back on each side. The USB port on the right side is orientated vertically with the “top” facing towards the back of the computer (so you can’t see the activity light on a flash drive if it is on the top). The power socket location is fine because the power plug is L-shaped (with the nice detail of a built-in LED power light). The tray loading optical drive is very close to the table surface. The photos show how close the G11 sits to the table. The SD card socket can only be accessed by lifting the front of the computer because the front edge slopes inwards towards the base. Perhaps the reason for the sloping sides is that they make it easier to lift the computer. Let’s have a tour of the sockets, clockwise starting at the front.

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    The front has separate Memory Stick and SD/MMC slots (with activity light on left side) , headphone and microphone sockets some air vents and the loudspeaker grill. (view large image)

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    Left side from back to front: Power socket, USB2.0 port, network port, fan exhaust, cardbus slot and security slot (view large image)

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    Right side from front to back: optical drive (with air inlet below), modem port, VGA port and USB 2.0 port. They could have squeezed in another USB port. (view large image)

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    The back: Just the hinge mechanism (view large image)

    The Display

    The display is 1024 x 768 (XGA) matte LCD with LED backlight. I had previously thought that the display in my Zepto 6024W was a good example of a matte display, but it doesn’t stand comparison with the G11’s display which has, in my experience, exceptional brightness and richness of colours without any obvious loss in quality caused by the anti-glare coating. The illumination is very even with the exception of a zone about 3mm high along the bottom edge where there are noticeable slightly brighter patches at about 5mm intervals which, I assume, are caused by the LED lights.

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    It is difficult for my camera to do justice to this display (view large image)

    There are 9 brightness settings. 3/8 gives adequate lighting to extend battery time and the full brightness is almost too bright. Viewing angles are typical for displays of this type. The horizontal viewing angle range is good and the vertical range moderate for text work. However, colour images are best viewed at 90°. They become darker when the top of the screen is pushed back and lighter if it is pulled forward.

    The benefit of the matte screen is a much reduced problem of annoying reflections. However, one does not see this benefit unless the computer is put alongside another computer with a glossy screen. This display is usable outside at full brightness if away from direct sunshine

    Audio Quality

    The G11 contains one small loudspeaker located somewhere under the right palm rest. Not surprisingly for such a small notebook, the audio quantity and quality from this loudspeaker is poor. There is no obvious Sony customisation of the Realtek audio installation to give the optimum audio settings. There is no built-in microphone.

    Processor and Chipset

    The G11 is designed for stamina, not speed, and is powered by the Intel U1500 Core Solo CPU. This CPU is one of the Ultra Low Voltage family with a maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) rating of 5.5W compared with over 30W for a standard Core Duo CPU. It is a single core CPU (or more likely a dual core CPU with one core disabled) and is functionally very similar to a Pentium M CPU.

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    CPU-Z reports for the G11 CPU.CPU-Z does not see the second RAM module (view large image)

    This U1500 CPU has voltage range of 0.937V at 6x (800MHz) to 0.968V at 10x (1.33GHz). I had expected to see a lower voltage range given the “Ultra Low” name but these values are in the middle of Intel’s specified range (0.80 to 1.10V). The BIOS is dated December 2006 and no updates have been issued.

    Alongside the low power CPU is the Intel 945GMS chipset which is a lower power version of the normal Intel 945GM chipset. Features include the use of only a single memory channel with a maximum speed of 533MHz and maximum address capability of 2GB. The computer as supplied has 512MB RAM on board plus 512MB RAM in the single slot. Sony indicate that the maximum RAM capacity of this model is 1.5GB. It seems that they did not try a 2GB module: It works fine subject to the overall 2GB ceiling. However, I don’t know which 512MB is ignored.

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    Vista reporting 2GB RAM when a 2GB module is installed (view large image)

    Hard Disk

    The supplied hard disk is a 100GB 1.8” 4200rpm Toshiba MK1011GAH using the PATA interface. 1.8” HDDs have smaller size, lower weight and less capacity than the 2.5” HDDs used in most notebooks. They also have lower power consumption: Toshiba show 1.1W for seek and 0.3W for idle. They are slower compared to the current generation of 2.5” HDDs with a maximum transfer rate of 28MB/s dropping down to 13MB/s. HD Tune’s results for this disk are below.

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    Optical Drive

    The optical drive is the Mat****a UJ-852S. This is an ultra-slim (9.5mm / 3/8”;) thick unit. Inspection reveals that it does not have the full housing used in normal notebook burners: There is just a base and a tray built into the chassis so weight is reduced as well as thickness. This burner supports the full range of DVD / CD burning functions including +/- dual layer DVD and DVD RAM but not disc labelling or the high-definition formats. I have not extensively tested the optical drive, but it has played DVDs, CDs and burnt the recovery media without problems. An interesting feature is that Sony have connected this burner as a USB device and provided a utility to shut off the power.

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    Nero’s report on the UJ-852S (view large image)

    Sony Utilities

    Sony provide a number of utilities for the G11. The main interface to these is through the Vaio Control Center. While some of the controls are standard system features, others are special. The most interesting functions are:

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    • BatteryCare Function: This sets the maximum battery charge to a value less than full capacity (80% and 50% are the default options) and is claimed to extend the battery life. The battery does not recharge if less than 2% below the target capacity.
    • Built-in Pointing Device: This control enables / disables the touchpad.
    • Hard Drive Protection Setting: Controls the shock protection sensitivity.
    • Performance: Changes the memory bus speed between 400MHz and 533MHz.
    • Peripheral Device &amp; Storage Media Restriction Setting Utility: Enables restrictions on writing to removable media.
    • Vaio Power Management Viewer: This provides access to the customised power schemes and further controls for display colour depth, maximum fan speed and whether certain components are powered.
    • The Wireless Device Switch controls whether 2.4GHz or 5GHz wireless is selected and whether Bluetooth is also enabled.

    The Vaio Status Monitor provides a viewer showing the status of the various settings.

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    Benchmarks for VGN-G11XN/B (Core Solo U1500)

    Windows Vista Experience Index

    Vista on a low powered computer doesn’t seem to be the best choice but these notebooks were manufactured at the time of Vista’s launch. Sony have subsequently made XP drivers available on request.

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    The G11 scored 2.0 on the Windows Experience Index. The weak link was the desktop graphics with 2.0, followed by gaming graphics at 2.8 and the CPU at 2.9 while the HDD scored 3.9. Installing 2GB RAM raised the score to 2.1. For comparison, the Samsung Q35 which also has the GMA 950 scored 2.3. I prefer Vista without the eye candy, bells and whistles and, with those features suppressed, visual performance is quite acceptable.

    SuperPi

    No review is complete without a SuperPi result. SuperPi is often used as a test for raw CPU performance. The U1500 in the G11 needed 1 minute 46 seconds to complete the calculation to 2 million digits. This is in proportion to the clock speed compared with other Core series CPUs but is significantly faster than a 1.6GHz Pentium M or 1.6GHz mobile Pentium 4.

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    The table below compares the G11’s SuperPi score with some other notebooks

    Notebook Time
    Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 1m 46s
    Dell Latitude D830 (2.2GHz Core 2 Duo T7500, 800MHz FSB, 667MHz RAM) 0m 53s
    Zepto 6024W (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7300 with 800MHz FSB and 667MHz RAM) 0m 59s
    Samsung X60plus (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7200 with 667MHz FSB &amp; memory speed) 1m 02s
    Dell Vostro 1500 (Intel Core 2 Duo T5470 1.60GHz) 1m 16s
    Samsung Q35 (1.83MHz Core 2 Duo T5600 with 667MHz FSB and 533MHz RAM) 1m 16s
    Samsung R20 (1.73GHz T2250 with 533MHz FSB and memory speed) 1m 23s
    Toshiba Satellite P205-S6287 (1.73 GHz Core 2 Duo Intel T5300) 1m 24s
    Samsung X60 (1.66GHz Core Duo (T2300) with 533MHz memory speed) 1m 29s
    Sony Vaio TZ90HS (1.2GHz Core 2 Duo ULV U7600) 1m 50s
    HP Compaq 6515b (1.6GHz Turion 64x2 TL-52) 2m 05s
    Fujitsu S6120 (Pentium M 1.6GHz) 2m 29s
    Dell Inspiron 2650 (Pentium 4 Mobile 1.6GHz) 4m 05s

    It has been suggested that SuperPi should be superseded by wPrime which is multi-threaded. The U1500completed the 32M calculation in 124.581s. This is much slower than we are used to seeing for the recent dual core CPUs and is about 10% slower than a 1.6GHz Pentium M CPU but almost twice the speed of a 1.6GHz mobile Pentium 4.

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    Notebook / CPU wPrime 32M time
    Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 124.581s
    Zepto 6024W (Core 2 Duo T7300 @ 2GHz) 42.385s
    Lenovo T61 (Core 2 Duo T7500) 37.705s
    Hewlett Packard DV6000z (Turion X2 TL-60 @ 2.0GHz) 38.720s
    Acer Travelmate 8204WLMi (Core Duo T2500 @ 2.0GHz) 42.947s
    Samsung X60plus (Core 2 Duo T7200 @ 2.0GHz) 44.922s
    Samsung Q35 (Core 2 Duo T5600 @ 1.83GHz) 46.274s
    Panasonic Toughbook CF-30 (1.66GHz Core Duo L2400) 54.359s
    Samsung R20 (Core Duo T2250 @ 1.73GHz) 47.563s
    Fujitsu S6120 (Pentium M 1.6GHz) 113.705s
    Dell Inspiron 2650 (Pentium 4 Mobile 1.6GHz) 231.714s

    SiSoftware Sandra from http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/ is another software package which contains benchmarking modules and includes a database of test results.

    The results graphs for the CPU tests are given below. These results show that the U1500 is slower than a 1.8GHz Pentium M and only slightly faster than a 1.6GHz Pentium 4.

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    SiSoftware Sandra CPU test results (view large image)

    The G11’s memory performance is of interest because it uses the Intel 945GMS chipset with only one memory channel. Sandra shows that the memory bandwidth is about 2200MB/s (a result which is independent of the RAM module combinations) and this speed drops to about 2000MB/s if the memory frequency is dropped to 400MHz.

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    Sandra’s memory bandwidth test result (view large image)

    PCMark05

    The PCMark05 score for the VAIO G11 was 1,554 PCMarks. The table below compares the PCMark05 test result with some other notebooks. The result is in the same range as other notebooks with similar hardware.

    Notebook PCMark05 Score
    Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 1,554 PCMarks
    Zepto 6024W (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7300 and Intel X3100 GPU) 4,063 PCMarks
    Samsung X60plus (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7200, ATI X1700) 4,555 PCMarks
    Samsung Q70 (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7300 and 8400M G GPU) 4.491 PCMarks
    Samsung R20 (1.73GHz T2250 and ATI 1250M chipset / GPU) 3,498 PCMarks
    Samsung X60 (1.66GHz Core Duo T2300, ATI X1400) 3,456 PCMarks
    Samsung Q35 (1.83GHz Core 2 Duo T5600, Intel 945GM) 3,059 PCMarks
    Lenovo Thinkpad R60 (1.66 Core Duo T2300E , Intel 950) 2,975 PCMarks
    Sony Vaio TZ90HS (1.2GHz Core 2 Duo ULV U7600) 2,517 PCMarks
    Sony Vaio TX850p (1.2GHz Core Solo) 1,428 PCMarks

    The detailed PCMark05 test results for the VAIO G are:

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    3DMark05

    The VAIO G11 managed a score of 357 3DMarks for 3DMark05. The test was run at 1024*768 resolution with no anti-aliasing. This result is significantly worse than for the Samsung Q35 which also has the Intel 945GM GPU and may reflect power-saving changes in the GMS chipset (the single channel memory access being one) which affect performance. The G11 is compared below with other results for notebooks with integrated graphics.

    Notebook 3DMark05 Score
    Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 357 3DMarks
    Samsung R20 (1.73GHz T2250 and ATI 1250M chipset / GPU) 1,151 3DMarks
    Zepto 6024W (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7300 and Intel X3100 GPU) 910 PCMarks
    IBM Thinkpad T43 (1.86GHz Pentium M, Mobility Radeon X300) 727 3DMarks
    Samsung Q35 (1.83GHz Core 2 Duo T5600, Intel 945GM) 447 3DMarks
    Fujitsu C1320 (2GHz Pentium M, Intel 915GM) 410 3DMarks

    3DMark06

    The 3Dmark06 score for the G11 was 147 3DMarks. This test was run at 1024*768 with no anti-aliasing. This is better than for the Intel 945GM GPU in the Samsung Q35, perhaps because the benchmark on the latter would run at the higher 1280 x 768 resolution. The G11 is not designed for gaming beyond the occasional visit to Solitaire or similar strategy games. The G11 is compared below with other results for notebooks with integrated graphics.

    Notebook 3DMark06 Score
    Sony Vaio VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 147 3D Marks
    Zepto 6024W (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo T7300 and Intel X3100 GPU) 561 PCMarks
    Samsung R20 (1.73GHz T2250 and ATI 1250M chipset / GPU) 476 3DMarks
    Samsung Q35 (1.83GHz Core 2 Duo T5600, Intel 945GM) 106 3DMarks


    Cinebench

    Cinebench is a good rendering benchmark tool based on the powerful 3D software, CINEMA 4D. Its rendering tasks can stress up to sixteen multiprocessors on the same computer. It is a free benchmarking tool, and can be found at http://www.cinebench.com. It has been recently updated from version 9.5 to 10 and I have included some results below for both versions. Cinebench also includes an OpenGL benchmark which will be of interest to those people who use software which uses OpenGL.

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    Cinebench 9.5 Benchmark Sony VGN-G11 (1.33GHz Core Solo) Zepto 6024W (2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo) Samsung R20 (1.73GHz Core Duo) Samsung Q35 (1.83GHz Core 2 Duo)
    Rendering (Single CPU) 193 CB-CPU 349 CB-CPU 256 CB-CPU 299 CB-CPU
    Rendering (Multiple CPU) Not applicable 623 CB-CPU 474 CB-CPU 528 CB-CPU
    Cinebench 10 Benchmark
    Rendering (Single CPU) 1156 CB-CPU 2116 CB-CPU 1520 CB-CPU
    Rendering (Multiple CPU) Not applicable 3903 CB-CPU 2851 CB-CPU
    OpenGL Benchmark 357 CB-CPU 711 CB-GFX 543 CB-CPU

    Battery, Power Supply and Cooling System

    The interesting part of the G11 is the power management and whether the claimed 9 hours of operation away from a power socket is realistic.

    The power supply is an impressively small and light 45W (16V, 2.8A) unit which has a 2 pin power connector. It’s shorter, but thicker, than my mobile phone. Sony kept the travel weight down by supplying a short (70cm) mains power lead. Fortunately, the low voltage lead is a more generous 1.9m. The PSU is efficient and does not heat up substantially during use. The PSU does not have a power light, but the there is one on the power plug.

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    The power light on the power plug (view large image)

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    The G11’s PSU alongside a Samsung 90W PSU on a CD case (for scale) (view large image)

    The 6 cell battery is rated at 10.8V, 5.8AH, 61.64WHr which is the highest rating for a 6 cell battery that I have encountered. The charging rate is only about 18W when the computer is on, but this probably helps the battery life. Sony’s specs give a minimum charging time (with the computer off) of just over 3 hours. So how does the battery perform? My first test was to have the computer on, but idle, in Vista’s Power Saver mode with the display on half brightness and no internet or wireless. Over about 20 minutes and using the supplied utility to turn off the power to the optical drive, the power drain dropped from about 10W to less than 6W which gave a forecast run time of over 10 hours. This is without using Sony’s more aggressive power management tweaks.

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    93% charge and forecast over 10 hours remaining! (view large image)

    So what about real-life tests in use? First, my standard DVD playback test using the 3-hour Dances With Wolves. Starting with 80% charge and the display 2 notices below full brightness, there was 29% power remaining. This suggests that DVD playback of nearly 6 hours at usable brightness is feasible. The optical driver was actually only running for about 2 minutes in 20 minutes, so the DVD data must be cached in the RAM. However, there is one obstacle: The supplied WinDVD insists on shutting down when the battery charge drops below 15%! Perhaps Sony believe that G11 users should always have enough power remaining for a couple of hours of work. Another test has been to run the Prime95 torture test. This dropped the battery charge by 11% over 30 minutes, indicating potential to run the CPU on full load under battery for nearly 5 hours.

    I haven’t actually tried to use the G11 for a full day on battery but the evidence points to 9 hours of light use with no wireless, etc, being achievable. Even if the true life is 7 or 8 hours, for most people that represents more than a full working day because of interruptions when the computer can sleep. Functions such as wireless internet and Bluetooth use power. My tests suggest that with these functioning then the battery time may be reduced to around 7 hours: 2 hours 20 minutes of editing this review with wireless and Bluetooth working reduced the battery charge by 30%.

    What about heat and fan noise? Heat is not a problem with this notebook. The left side of the keyboard (over the CPU) gets warm but not uncomfortable. The underside and the palm rests stay cool and the highest CPU temperature I have observed (during the Prime95 torture test) was 69°C. However, the fan can become noisy when the CPU is under load. I suspect the underlying problem is that the limited space means a small fan which has to spin quickly although it is not blowing out much hot air. A “whirr” is more noticeable than a “roar” because of the higher frequency of the sound.

    Warranty and Customer Support

    Sony provide a one year return-to-base warranty as standard. This is two years in some European countries. On-site repair and extended warranties are available at extra cost. However, an extended warranty has to be registered within one month of the computer’s purchase, which is before any potential problems may become evident. I have not needed to contact Sony’s customer services. So far, everything has worked as I would expect.

    Conclusions

    If you need a lightweight notebook with easy-to-read display and all-day battery life then the G11 has to be on your shortlist. The single core CPU means that at times there is noticeable unresponsiveness. The new G21 with a dual core CPU will address this problem but at the expense or reduced battery time (the currently available information for the G21 says 7 hours). If the price were lower this notebook would appear to many more people. As noted earlier, I only bought it because the price had been reduced.

    Contrary to Sony’s information, this model is upgradable to 2GB RAM using a 2GB module. It also supports SDHC. However, my attempt to use an SDHC card for ReadyBoost was unsuccessful because the system said it was too slow although it is fine in another notebook. While Vista is a questionable choice for this hardware, it runs fine once the eye candy and other extras are disabled. So far, I’ve not had a single crash, which suggests mature drivers.

    Overall, the G11 is a good example of how light a notebook can be made without losing serious functionality or battery life. If someone can add a couple of inches to the G11’s width to create a 14.1” widescreen notebook and drop in a dual core CPU, I can then dispose of my 14.1” Zepto. Although its 2.35kg is relatively light for the size range, it feels really heavy in comparison with the G11! Proof of the usability of the G11 is that this review was drafted on it.

    Pros

    • Compact size, light weight but good construction quality
    • Excellent display
    • Impressive battery life
    • Reasonable hard disk capacity and speed for this form factor
    • Extremely small and light power supply
    • Built-in optical drive
    • Excellent attention to detail

    Cons

    • Very slow CPU
    • Noisy fan when CPU is under load
    • Mediocre audio
    • Bouncy keyboard with small keys
    • High price
    • Limited port count
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  2. jetstar

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    Excellent review John! Very thorough!

    Why is the "VAIO" lettering gold in one of the pictures? Is that due to some reflected light?
     
  3. Ken Wind

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    That's a very thorough review, John. Thanks!

    Have you seen the Panasonic Toughbook CF-Y7? It lacks Bluetooth, but it has a low voltage Core 2 Duo, and it gets exceptional battery life.
     
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    Awesome Review John. Very in-depth. The notebook kinda reminds of me of my old Sony Vaio PCG-R505GL. Personally love notebooks with high-battery life, yours is certainly up there.
     
  5. John Ratsey

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    Well spotted. Your diagnosis is correct. The kitchen scales were in the kitchen, which has a varnished wood ceiling, and the Vaio logo has a mirror finish.

    John
     
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    Nice review John. It's mildly odd that the VAIO TZ made it to the U.S. but the VAIO G did not, but then again ultraportables aren't quite as popular in the U.S. as Asia and possibly Europe.

    That power adapter looks nice and small, which is great. I hate it when you get a huge adapter to go with an ultraportable. The Dell Latitude D420/D430 has that annoyance.
     
  7. roor

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    very nice, i wonder how much faster the new ulv core 2 duo is with the ssd
     
  8. Outrigger

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    nice review.

    Yes, the screen can be easily bent, but thats just due to the material used. It definitely won't break easily. It seems that Sony has the brightest LCDs around.
     
  9. Redline

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    Thats because all of their ultraportables (SZ Prem, TXN/TZ, G) use LED backlit screens, and their larger entertainment models use dual lamp CCFL backlights.

    The G is really sweet, and the new dual core processor and SSD will make it a pretty peppy notebook, if not a real powerhouse. And in the US, Conics.net has it for around $1300, so its not that expensive either, though that is for a single core, HDD model, not the newer one.
     
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    Yeah, I'm curious about that too, now that you mention it.

    That PSU is TINY!!! It makes an average 90W look HUGE, and the screenshot shows.

    The screenshot of the VAIO G without the battery reminds me what my mom's ancient Gateway Solo 3450 ultraportable looked like when the battery was removed.

    Overall, a very interesting notebook. The screen looks fantastic, the battery life is fantastic (that 6-cell is only 8WHr less than my 8-cell 69WHR in my nw8440! And I was lucky if I got more than 3 hours when the thing was NEW!), but the machine seems very underpowered. If I were looking at an ultraportable similar specs, I'd get the HP Compaq 2510p instead. From what I've heard, the build quality and keyboard seems better on 2510p (and its predecessor, the nc2400). That, and I like HP Compaq business notebooks (read my sig). The Dell Latitude D430 and Dell XPS m1330 look very appealing, too.

    But the biggest problem with the VAIO G is that they're not available in the US! Not that I'd want one; that thing's too underpowered for my tastes. And by "underpowered", I mean not having a dual-core CPU and not having a dedicated GPU. Then again, my definition of "ultraportable" is anything smaller than 15.4"...lol

    But still, a great, very detailed review! Thanks! If I were in the market for a notebook with a 12.1" screen, I would seriously consider this.... if it were available in the US.
     
  11. roor

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    well with the newer G2 series you can get a ulv core 2 duo and a ssd
     
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    Indeed great review , liked the to the point details , seems like a good buy as well . Enjoy .
     
  13. robinchee

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    I've got the same model too. In use, it really quite nice. I got it for the same reasons as Sony targets for: Lightness and long battery life. And a 12 inch normal screen. The Sony TZ with its wide 11.1 inch screen was far too small. Even the Toshiba R500 wide 12 inch screen was small and the fonts were really difficult to read. 12inch normal is really the best compromise in terms of size and weight.

    To get the most battery life, requires tweaking the power settings more. Under optimal conditions I can squeeze it pass 10 hours.

    From all the reports I've read, when the transition was made from Core Solo to Core Duo, the battery life suffered in real life testing (e.g Sony TZ series vs TX). Also the transition to Santa Rosa also affects battery life. The HP 2510p ultra-portable is not only much heavier, but battery life is much shorter, even with their 6 cell battery. The Lenovo X61 also suffered in battery life.

    So for me, I did predict that the new model would be out in a few months, but I figured that I was not willing to sacrifice battery life for a core duo, so I ended up with the Sony G1.

    The only real exciting thing are the new ultraportable Intel chips with claims of 10 times lower power consumption. Now that would be cool in a new generation Sony Vaio G.
     
  14. robinchee

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    The SD slot was too slow for Ready Boost, but a 4GB Sandisk Memory stick worked for Ready Boost. But there seemed to be alot of writing from hard drive to memory stick, even after a few days. That was killing the battery, so in the end I disabled ReadyBoost.

    Anyway, I had a 2GB RAM plus 0.5GB, total 2.5GB RAM, but only 2GB was recognized. But at least its at the 2GB Vista sweet spot rather than the Sony stated limit of 1.5GB which is barely enough for Vista.

    Although the lid is not as strong as standard notebooks or the HP 2510p, it's lighter and way stronger than the flimsy Toshiba R500.

    What I can't understand is Sony's lack of promotion of this little gem. They keep promoting the TZ series and very few people know that the Sony Vaio G exists. In Singapore, you can only get the Vaio G in Sony Gallery outlets, which there are only a few in the whole country. The rest of the retail notebook shops don't sell it at all.
     
  15. jack sparrow

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    Do you know when Sony will start putting this kind kind of chips in their ultraportable?
     
  16. robinchee

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    Judging from what Intel got on the roadmap my guess is second half 2008 .. which is one year from now ..

    http://arstechnica.com/articles/pae...day-laptops-tomorrow-the-iPhoneBlackberry.ars

    This is just one article. Do search for Intel Menlow and Moorestown.

    Just keep track of Intel Menlow and Moorestown developments. Unfortunately, I could not wait. But by the time I need a replacement, things will be really very interesting.
     
  17. jack sparrow

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    It seems that both chips (Menlow and Moorestown) are for MID (Mobile Internet Devices) and UPMC (Ultra mobile PC). I doubt these chips are for ultraportables... :(
     
  18. robinchee

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    Well if they are able to run Vista which is the aim, what's to stop companies from using it in a ultraportable notebook.
     
  19. FenderP

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    I live in the US and have the Japanese version (VGN-G1ABNS). It's the limited edition brown with the 32GB SSD, US English keyboard, DVD drive, 2GB of memory, standard (extended, not the lightweight) battery, and the Core Solo 1.33. Bar none, it's the best ultraportable I've used to date. I've owned/own the Sony VGN-U70, JVC MP-XP741, the Sharp Mebius MW-70J, and the Sony VGN-SZ90. All are sub-4 pound notebooks. The G to me is the right tradeoff between size, power, weight, and usability. It's also much more durable than your standard Sony notebook and is more like the Toughbooks in construction. It's not as sexy as the TZ, but I'm hard on notebooks being on the road every week. THis one seems to stand the test. This is a business notebook.

    With the SSD, I can't notice much of a difference in power from my SZ in most tasks. It slows down if, say, I have three VMWare virtual machines open, Word, Outlook, and a browser window ... but most machines would have an issue with that, too. Where it slows down, for example, is if Outlook is processing something and it eats CPU cycles. That's where a dual core would help out.

    Battery-wise, with full brightness and WiFi (no Bluetooth), I get anywhere from 5 - 6.5 hours of usage in a day if I'm completely unplugged. With tweaking the power settings, not constantly going to hard drive, etc., I can get 8+. On one plane ride a few months back I watched the latest Bond flick and had plenty of juice left.

    The 32GB SSD can be a tad bit limiting, though. Tradeoff in speed vs. size there. But I can recover from sleep in less than a second. Nice!

    I did try to put a 2GB memory module in and the G would not recognize it. So it's a BIOS thing. The SZ took it just fine. It's unfortunate because 3GB would be amazing in this machine for my use.

    One thing I was worried about initially was going from the awesome widescreen XBRITE display on the SZ to the G1. I shouldn't have worried. The display is nice on the G1, just a tad different. In some ways I like it better. It was an adjustment actually powering up the SZ and looking at it for awhile. I do miss the widescreen occasionally, but not very often.

    I recently picked up Sony's little bluetooth presentation mouse/remote the VGP-BRMP10. That thing is great with the G. It's out in the US, but not promoted and not in the SOnyStyle stores, either. I picked it up online for about $76. It's about the size of a credit card and uses 2xAAA batteries.

    Feel free to ask me questions. I've been using this thing for about 6 months now and am actually considering selling it to get the upgraded one in Japan with the Core2Duo and the 64GB SSD :) The 64GB SSD is the main reason, but as I said, what I do could benefit sometimes from the dual cores. I wonder what the battery life difference will be, though.
     
  20. John Ratsey

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    I'm glad to see that a couple of other G series owners have very similar observations. Should we start a G series owner's lounge? However, it may not be a very busy place - most forum discussion focusses on fixing problems and, so far, my G11 seems to be very well behaved.

    The SSD is not an option for me - I always need more space. It will be interesting to see how much the dual core CPU in the new model affects the battery life.

    In fact, I've just created 10GB of space and installed Ubuntu 7.10. One of the other benefits of the G11's core hardware being from last year is that the Linux support is very good so Ubuntu installs without any hassle.

    John
     
  21. roor

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    is ubuntu noticeably faster than vista or xp? (whichever you have on your G)
     
  22. esskay

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    Couple questions:

    * re: HD speed, the review has conflicting data, stating 5400 rpm and 4200 rpm in different locations -- which is it?

    * Does anyone with the built-in DVD know how it is connected/what kind of speed it is capable of? i.e. does it function at USB 2.0 speeds (as I've read some Vaios have the built-in optical drive basically set up via USB so they can be deactivated) or SATA speeds?

    * Anyone have data points on how long the lightweight battery lasts?

    Thanks!
     
  23. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    I've got Vista on my G. It's too early to comment on whether Linux is faster in normal use. What impressed me is that Linux did a good job of detecting the hardware and getting the drivers in place. Even Fn+F6 (brightness) works. My only complaint is the ugly Linux boot menu with at least 6 choices. The Linux is there as something to play with during the next month or two.

    The HDD is 4200rpm.

    The optical drive runs at 8x DVD / 24x CD, which is as fast as any normal notebook optical drives. I'm sure the USB connection is provided so that the ODD can be switched off to save a little power (this can be done via a utility on the task bar or will happen automatically in certain power profiles).

    I believe the lightweight battery has half the capacity so I would expect it to provide half the running time. That is at least 3 hours without any attempts to conserve power and at least 4 hours with power conservation.

    John

    PS: Reverting to a previous comment about the flexibility of the display: The flexibility is not a weakness provided it is designed to be flexible - sit in a big airplane and watch how much the wing tip bends up during take-off.

    John
     
  24. FenderP

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    It's either a 1.8" 4200rpm or SSD. I don't think Europe got the SSD version. So even if you wanted to, you couldn't replace the drive with a 5400 or 7200rpm drive.

    It's USB. You can also get it w/o an optical drive in Japan.

    No idea, but I'd guesstimate 3 - 4 hrs.
     
  25. Olive

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    Where did you find this laptop for a little over £1,000 (the Sony website has it for £1,499)?
     
  26. John Ratsey

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    I got my G11 from Microwarehouse but they ran out just after I ordered.

    However, Technoworld seem to be collecting all the left-over G11s and selling them for a bargain price (~£850) and over 300 in stock as I post this.

    John
     
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    Dabs.com are doing this laptop for £822 including VAT at the moment, and have stock.

    I was watching this laptop for ages, but decided to go with an SZ6. But at this price, that's a great deal.
     
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    Hi, This was a really great in-depth review - thank you.

    I've been toying with getting one of these for a few days and the only thing that is really putting me off is the graphics adapter (Intel GMA 950). I use my laptop partly as a desktop replacement and need to be able to connect up 2 additional monitors.

    I understand the G11 has only a VGA port, has anyone hooked this up using a VGA extender - and if so can you comment on the quality? Or - if you have any other suggestions, e.g. add-ons which might make this more feasible, I'd love to hear them.

    Thanks again,
    Paul.
     
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    Does anyone know whether the updated Vaio G2 model uses the same memory specification? The memory configurators I've checked don't show the new G2 yet (and for the G1 Crucial shows PC5300, while Kingston shows PC4200!!).

    I also tried to look around the Sony JP site but couldn't find the memory specifications on it.

    Thanks!
     
  30. John Ratsey

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    You can now read the UK G21 specs (and download the manuals) at the Sony UK support site. There are two models both with U7500 CPU:

    VGN-G21VN/B
    2GB 533MHz RAM + 64GB SSD, no built-in optical drive (there's an i-Link firewire socket instead) + Vista Business. The weight is shown as 1.13kg but without the optical drive it should be just below 1kg.

    VGN-G21XP/B
    1GB 533MHz RAM (upgradeable to 1536 MB) + 100GB HDD + optical drive + XP Pro.

    It remains to be seen if the VGN-G21VN/B comes with an external ODD. Sony have done something similar with the Sony TZ with the option, if you order from the right place, of having a 2.5" HDD in the ODD bay to supplement the SSD (see the discussions in the Sony forum).

    The Sony specs don't indicate the chipset but I'm certain that it is still the 945GMS since the newer Intel chipset would use too much power. I would therefore expect the G21 to have the same memory spec as the G11. You can use either PC4200 or PC5300 RAM but it will run at 533MHz (at CL4). The performance difference is small because of the lower latency (as I noted in the review, Sony provide a utility to switch the RAM down to the even slower 400MHz (at CL3) to save some power. The G series has much in common with the TZ series but has a slightly bigger chassis and a much bigger display. One new feature in the G21 manual is a drain hole for the keyboard.

    John
     
  31. esskay

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    John, thanks for the info ... I didn't think to check the UK sites!

    I've just ordered a Japanese G2, so I wanted to order a 1GB stick for it. Ironically, it seems it might be cheaper to get a PC5300 according to the Hot Ram deals thread, so I guess I'll buy whichever is the best value.
     
  32. John Ratsey

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    My G11 is running happily with this Transcend 2GB module. It means that I've got 2.5GB inside but the chipset can address only 2GB. I don't know which 512MB gets ignored.

    John
     
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    Any update about Vista vs Ubuntu performance?
    I have read that you can speed up a lot when removing preinstalled sony "bloatware". Does anyone have experience with this on this machine?

    Thanks,
    stroom
     
  34. John Ratsey

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    The G11 seemed to have less than average (for Sony) pre-iinstalled bloatware. It was there, but waiting to be installed if wanted.

    I haven't got any further with exploring Ubuntu. In fact, it was pushed out of site since I didn't have time to figure out how to get Ubuntu to show up in Vista's boot menu before work intervened.

    The G11 is now down to £822 - excellent value for anyone who places a premium on light weight and long battery life.

    John
     
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    In Singapore, the price was S$3799 but now with a S$800 rebate. Must be making way for the G21.

    Anyway, I reinstall my G11 with XP SP2, and wow its like a new laptop. With Vista, free install, even after disabling all effects and unnecessary services still felt like a old laptop. No regrets downgrading.

     
  36. captain sensible

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    I have just purchased a G11 and am truly impressed with the portability and battery life. This is what mobile computing should be! It's a laptop you put IN your briefcase, rather than in some other case with half a ton of additional paraphernalia and a nice manufacturer's logo on the outside, shouting "expensive computer within - please mug me"

    That said the thing is unbearbly slow. 8 minutes to boot is not vaguuely realistic (must get used to hibernation) and the thing is really strugglling with Vista. I'm new to Vista and happy with XP Pro, which works with everything I use. I will try the Transcend 2GB upgrade (many thanks) but suspect the downgrade to XP is the only realistic solution. Whilst Sony does provide XP Pro drivers and instructions (which one is warned must be followed to the letter) these are for from comprehensive and a spelling error in the second word is not exactly confidence inspiring! I notice that Robinchee has successfully completed this operation. Any chance you could post some idiot-proof instructions or at least fill in the blanks in the Sony ones for those like me, who are contemplating such a move? I'm not IT illiterate, but neither am I an IT Pro, so the prospect of getting halfway through and then finding that (a) the instructions don't work any more whilst (b) it's too late to go back are rather daunting!

    Cheers
     
  37. John Ratsey

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    Yes, you've hit on one of the points of the real ultra-portables. They don't need their own bag but you put them in another bag. However, I would recommend a sleeve.

    8 minutes to boot is sloooow. Something isn't right. I've just checked my G11 and it took just under 2 minutes. If you installed Norton then kick it off and try something like the NOD32 antivirus. Then let Vaio update do its bit (there is a new BIOS) and finally look through the Vista tweaks guide (my 2 minutes is without trying everything that is there). I haven't felt the urge to move to XP in search of better performance because I doubt if I would see much difference. And yes, hibernation is the better route to follow. That gets you back to where you were in less than one minute.

    John

    PS: the G11 at Technoworld is now sold out but, at the moment, Sony are selling the brown version with 2GB RAM (G11-VN/T) for £899.
     
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    Upgraded to 2MB (see later) and Vista improved slightly - booting in a mere 5 minutes! I had already removed all the unnecessary software supplied with the machine, but not started "tweaking" Vista. An identical G2 purchased by a colleague in the office at the same time as mine performs in an identical fashion.

    Decided to try the UPgrade (!) to XP Pro. Sony warns that their instructions must be "followed to the letter" so it would have been helpful had these been both complete and accurate. That said, they weren't too bad. You need to download the complete set of XP drivers and applications (1400+ files, 340MB) from VAIO support website and according to a Sony techie, burn these to a bootable DVD -R. I can't actually see why you can't use a basic non-bootable CD, as you don't actually have to boot this disk, but I did it anyway. THe basic XP install can be done using any OEM disk - you'll need the 25 character code of course. I ran mine in another PC first to get at and print out the installation instructions, then you bung it in the G2, boot from it and 20 minutes later, XP. You then install the VAIO drivers and applications in order and as described in the instructions. Not all the folders / files are named as described in the instructions and some of the things that the instructions say will happen, don't, but actually it's not difficult. The final application (TPM) didn't load as it should, but it's optional anyway and I'm not concerned about this.

    I still have to activate XP and have read reports that this is both almost impossible and completely straighforward in equal measure, so am not sure what to expect. Frankly however, I would be willing to fork out for a new XP Pro licence if I had to!

    Result?

    The G2 now cold boots in less than 90 seconds and returns from hibernation in half this. Everything seems to work much, much faster. Discovered, identified and logged on to our wireless network in less than a minute: all I had to do was to select the network I wanted and to enter the WEP key. The same process took hours under Vista (with much tinkering required) and proved impossible with a Wanadoo / Orange Livebox. System info reports 2.5GB RAM while my colleague's similarly upgraded G2 still (but not for long) running Vista, reports 2GB. Either seems more than sufficient for a notebook

    My thanks to John Ratsey and Robinchee - I'd never have tried this without the confidence of knowing that someone had been there before!
     
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    Captain Sensible, thanks for the report -- you referred to a G11 in your first post and then G2 in the last talking about your XP conversion... do you have a G11 or a G2?

    What is your memory configuration? Do you have 512MB on board and added a 2GB stick? You note that you're seeing 2.5GB which is very interesting!!! I had thought the G was limited to 2GB due to its chipset. Also, IIRC, another user (I think it was FenderP) reported trying to put a 2GB stick in his older G1 and it wouldn't recognize it.
     
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    In my G1, using XP only 2GB is seen. I did use 512MB on board plus a 2GB stick (cheapo Kingston memory) .. No problems.
     
  41. John Ratsey

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    On my G11 (512MB on board + 2GB (upgrade) in the RAM slot) Vista reports 2.50GB on the Computer Details screen and 2037MB on the Performance page of Task Manager.

    This apparent inconsistency is caused because the computer knows there is 2GB + 512MB on board, but the Intel 945GMS chipset can address only 2GB (I don't know which 2GB out of the 2.5GB available).

    John
     
  42. stroom

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    Thanks for the excellent review that convinced me to buy the Vaio G11XN, my version is with 2GB extra installed.

    I had the same initial experience as captain sensible, very happy with the lightness of the machine and its batterylife, but disappointed by the sloooowness of Vista. During all installation procedures, window updates etc everything is very very slow. But after installing, and letting the machine "stabilizing", I noticed that performance under Vista is quite OK.
    For normal use I use Vista without any annoyance about the slowness.
    What I don't like about Vista are all the nag screens that you continuously have to click away, probably still some tweaking to do to get rid of this?

    I installed also XP Pro, and Ubuntu. The multiboot system is very easy to set up with "EasyBCD", a free download by NeoSmart Technologies, that allows you to edit the Vista bootmenu with a nice and easy graphical user interface. Of course you can also boot everything with linux grub boatloader if you are used to it, that Ubuntu will install.

    For comparison, an indication of the boot times of the three systems (until WPA encrypted wireless connection shown working):
    Vista: 1m50s, XP Pro: 1m30s, Ubuntu 7.10: 1m20s
    So XP and Ubuntu quite comparable, Vista longer but quite acceptable.
    I am pleased by the 3D desktop effects on Ubuntu, that work very smoothly.

    So far quite happy, I am interested in any other user experiences good or bad. Keep posting please.

    Cheers, stroom
     
  43. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    Welcome and thanks for your feedback. At the G11's recent clearance price in UK it represents excellent value.

    I'm sure a lot of Vista's popup messages are because of UAC. It is quite easy to tell UAC to be quiet. Start > run >msconfig > tools > Disable UAC.

    If you are feeling adventurous, you might even be able to give your G11 a moderate overclock as discussed in this thread. However, there will be some adverse effect on the battery run time.

    John
     
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    Hi Guys, great thread - been following for a few months now and purchased a G11 on the strength of it.

    I would dearly like to install a SSD in my G11 as the core solo 1.33 and the 4200 drive does seem very sliggish at times with vista business.

    I would also like to 'backup' by vista install and try XP on it too as my old Pentium 1.7M running XP seems just as quick and I know that this shouldn't be the case.

    How can I create an image of the existing settings (including partitions, if relevant) and get a load of XP on there (i have an new XP SP2 CD with licence I can use).

    If I don't like it I would like to be able to revert to the Vista build.

    All the best

    Edit: Now trying Acronis True Image Home and creating a backup on my External USB drive. Will advise progress. :)
     
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    Hi fellows. I got one of these before Christmas after reading John's review. My inital impression also was how sluggish and demanding Vista was on the machine. The fan was constantly whirring at full speed with whatever Vista was doing in the background which was particularly annoying to me as it's a small diameter and hence higher pitch sound.

    I've upgraded with a single 2gb ram module, for a total of 2.5 gb, but as John points out, only 2gb is recognized by the system.

    After installing XP, I had trouble getting all the drivers to work and hibernate wouldn't work. Eventually after much fiddling I've got the drivers working and only after downloading a microsoft hibernate patch have I got the hibernate to work. The Vaio power management even works! (Has anyone got a straight forward instalation procedure for the drivers?)

    For everyday tasks I'm now really enjoying this lightweight Sony. I love it's portability and find the screen size very comfortable for my eyes. XP is much easier on this low powered processor. But even so, I wish the fan noise was of a lower pitch and volume.
     
  46. John Ratsey

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    There's something wrong if your fan is whining at full speed under light usage. Mine normally cruises along on it's lowest setting unless I put it under heavy load. Perhaps it's worthwhile checking the CPU utilisation in Task Manager.

    As for the SSD, I would suggest going over to the Sony forum and looking at the T series SSD threads. The G11 has much in common, particularly with the TX. I think you would need a 1.8" DDS with ZIF connector. I haven't tried pulling my G11 apart, but I would expect the assembly to have much in common with the T series.

    If you want a little more speed, there was also a thread a few weeks back about overclocking. Whatever works with the T works with the G. I had my G11 running stable at 1.5GHz (but leave it at stock settings for normal usage).

    John
     
  47. stroom

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    Hi John,

    I just read this from you in another thread:
    I did not install SP1 yet since I read that several drivers are not supported under SP1.
    Did you experience any troubles, did you install driver updates other than given on Vaio update?

    Thanks,
    stroom
     
  48. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    Clarification: I haven't installed the final SP1 on the G11 because I haven't got a good enough connection at the moment to download it. I have been running the Vista SP1 beta on my G11 since last December without any problems. Which drivers are you thinking of? (I must admit that I don't use the TPM / fingerprint reader, so I haven't tested that).

    Anyway, regarding SDHC, SP1 is not needed for that. My G11 review lists SDHC as supported.

    John
     
  49. stroom

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    John, this is what I read in release notes from Microsoft:

    To help ensure a positive update experience, Windows Update will temporarily not offer Windows Vista SP1 to systems that have the following device drivers installed. In some cases, these device drivers are problematic on Windows Vista-based computers when you update to Windows Vista SP1. By installing updated device drivers, you will resolve the issue and enable Windows Update to offer Windows Vista SP1.
    (I copied only the ones which seem to be problematic, in bold I noted version on my G11):
    Audio drivers

    Realtek AC'97
    • For x86-based computers: Alcxwdm.sys - version 6.0.1.6242 or earlier
    G11: Realtek 6.0.1.5331

    Biometric (Fingerprint) Sensors
    • UPEK Fingerprint Sensor with the Tcusb.sys driver file – version 1.9.2.99 or earlier
    G11: UPEK 1.9.2.74

    Display drivers

    Intel Display
    • For x86-based computers: Igdkmd32.sys – versions between and including driver 7.14.10.1322 and 7.14.10.1403
    G11: 7.14.10.1387

    I was especially worried about the display driver, but apparently you did not have particular problems.
    I will try to install SP1 and report back.

    stroom
     
  50. John Ratsey

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    It looks as if I am running those same driver versions.

    I don't recall any unexpected problems in the 4 months since installing the SP1 beta. I've definitely used the display and I'm sure I've used the sound. There might have been issues which I would just attribute to Vista.

    John
     
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