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    Samsung NC10 User Review

    Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by John Ratsey, Dec 11, 2008.

  1. John Ratsey

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    The Samsung NC10 netbook is a late arrival to the netbook party. Samsung appears to have noted the feedback about the first generation of netbooks and aimed for quality and performance, not lowest price or size. The price, while at the upper end of the netbook range, is still cheap compared to the normal ultra-portable notebooks of the same weight range.


    During the past two years I have looked at three ultra-portables: the Samsung Q35, the Sony G11, the Zepto Notus A12; and the Toshiba R500. Broadly speaking, the Samsung NC10 netbook is about one third of the cost of one of these. How does it compare and is it a viable substitute in terms of portability, performance and battery life? Both the G11 and R500 include an optical drive, so for those who want access to an optical drive at all times then this, or any other, netbook, is not the ideal choice.

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    The Samsung NC10 sitting between the Toshiba R500 (left)
    and the Sony G11 (right). All displays at maximum brightness.
    Note the differences in screen real estate.

    The NC10 came in a small box containing:

    • The NC10 netbook
    • The PSU, a battery and a mains power cable
    • A thin slip case
    • An installation guide leaflet
    • A safety instruction booklet
    • A warranty information booklet
    • A Using Samsung Recovery Solution booklet
    • A system recovery media CD
    • A system software media DVD

    The user guide is an animated .SWF document pre-installed on the hard disk. I would have preferred a normal PDF file.

    The Samsung NC10 features the following hardware and specifications:

    • CPU: Intel Atom N270 (1.6Ghz) with Intel 945GSE chipset
    • Display: 10.2" WSVGA (1024 x 600) matte LCD with LED backlight
    • Memory: 1GB (1 x 1GB) DDR2 RAM running at 533MHz
    • Hard Disc: 160GB 5400rpm 2.5” HDD (Hitachi 5K320 family)
    • Graphics: Intel GMA950 integrated GPU
    • Optical Drive: None
    • Network: Marvell Yukon 88E8040 Ethernet
    • Bluetooth: Broadcom 2045 Bluetooth USB 2.0
    • Wireless: Atheros AR5007EG (802.11 b/g)
    • Ports: 3 x USB 2.0, network (RJ45), VGA, microphone, headphone
    • Media card reader: MultiFlash reader supporting SD/SDHC/ MMC
    • Webcam : Namuga 1.3 Mpixel
    • Audio: High Definition Audio with EDS (Enhanced Digital Sound) Effect and 2 x 1W loudspeakers and microphone
    • Touchpad: Synaptics touchpad 60mm x 29mm
    • 6-cell battery (11.1V, 5200mAh = 57.72Whr)
    • 40W (19V, 2.1A) power supply with 2-pin mains power connector
    • Dimensions: published:- 261 x 188.5 x 30.3mm, actual 261 x 186 x 31~40mm (10.3 x 7.32 x 1.22 ~ 1.57” (including 6 cell battery and feet)).
    • Weight : published = 1.33kg, actual = 1.32kg (2.91lb) with 6 cell battery
    • Travel weight including PSU and cables 1.68kg (3.70lbs)

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    The weigh-in: Without and with PSU and power
    cables (kilograms). Other countries with smaller
    mains power plugs may get a lower travel weight

    Software

    The NC10 comes with Windows XP Home SP3 preinstalled and with a recovery CD. Samsung also provide preinstalled software and a DVD which will need to be reloaded if the operating system is reinstalled. The Samsung software package is very similar to the other Samsung notebooks and includes:

    • Easy Display Manager
    • Magic Keyboard
    • Play Camera
    • Recovery Solution III
    • Samsung Battery Manager
    • Samsung Magic Doctor
    • Samsung Network Manager
    • Samsung Update Plus
    • Easy Network Manager
    • McAfee Anti-Virus (limited duration)

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    Design and Build

    The NC10 features solid plastic construction and is thicker than most ultraportable notebooks. It is well endowed with shiny surfaces and the sooner any owner stops worrying about fingerprints, the better. The shiny plastic display back is supplemented by a shiny metal belt around the front and sides (which made photography more difficult). One dominant feature is the wedge shaped design with the 6-cell battery protruding from the bottom near the back. Most of the weight is at the back of the computer and when used as a laptop it feels that it might tilt over backwards.

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    Stacked notebooks: NC10 on top of Toshiba R500
    on top of Sony G11. The NC10 is the thickest

    During travel the display is held closed by spring-loaded hinges. It takes two hands to open the screen on my NC10. As new, the display has no wobble, although the hinges may loosen with time. The display back is adequate but it is possible to push on the back and create ripples on the screen.

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    The Samsung NC10 on top of the 14.1” Dell E6400.
    Almost new and collecting fingerprints!

    The bottom of the computer has small protruding feet about 1.5mm (1/16”). There is a single removable cover for the memory slot. The bottom is well-endowed with air vents. The standard 6 cell battery fits at the back of the notebook and is held firmly in place by two latches.

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    Underside of the NC10: The only removable cover
    is for the memory slot. There are plenty of air
    vents and two small loudspeakers.

    Keyboard and Touchpad

    Samsung provided the NC10 with a generous keyboard, but the trade-off is a relatively small touchpad. The keyboard has an almost standard layout including the highly appreciated dedicated Pg Up and Pg Down keys. The Ctrl key occupies the almost standard position in the front left corner (Samsung have changed this year from putting Fn in the corner). There are 84 keys (83 keys on the US keyboard) which have clear white markings on a black plastic background. The keys have a slightly smaller than normal 17.7mm pitch and is easy to adapt to from a normal keyboard.

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    The NC10 keyboard overlaid onto my 14.1" Dell E6400.
    Note that the port symbols are provided on the NC10's
    keyboard surround/palmrest.

    The keyboard is responsive and has a comfortable action with reasonable travel. Samsung claims that the keyboard has been treated with silver nano technology so that it is less likely to spread bacteria (they have been doing this since the R20 was introduced in early 2007). The treatment is not obvious and the keys look and feel like normal plastic.

    The Synaptics touchpad is wide but not very high (60mm x 29mm). However, it is quite usable when the sensitivity is increased. There is a one-piece touchpad button which is fixed in the middle and behaves like two buttons. This single button is easy to operate. The Touchpad supports gestures including chiral scrolling and pinching.

    There are seven indicator lights on the front edge of the chassis with symbols on the front of the palm rest. The surround to the lights is glossy, which makes it more difficult to see the lights. As with many other notebooks, Samsung have chosen to put the NC10’s lights where they are covered by the user’s left palm. A central location in front of the touchpad would be much more visible. From left to right the lights are: Num Lock; Caps Lock; Scroll Lock; HDD/SSD Activity; Wireless On; Charge Status and Computer On.

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    The Fn keys (yes, F7 and F8 are blue).
    The microphone is next to the right hinge.

    Samsung provides the standard set of function key facilities, so they haven’t reduced capabilities in spite of the low price. The F7 and F8 keys are blue, in common with other recent Samsung notebooks. Each of the function keys has an additional function. Fn+F7 activates the Samsung Magic Doctor software, Fn+F8 selects between three operating modes: silent, normal and speed, Fn+F9 toggles the wireless and Fn+F10 toggles the touchpad. Fn+ the cursor keys changes the display brightness and audio volume. Fn+F8 switches between three operating modes: Silent (it locks the CPU to minimum speed); Normal; and Speed. This control is hardly needed on the NC10 since the fan is very quiet but the Silent mode means the fan stays off. Something not mentioned in the User Guide is that pressing the Esc key during initial boot brings up a boot device menu. This is in addition to F2 for entering the BIOS setup.

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    Where is the power button? It is on the right side
    hinge and glows blue when the computer is on.

    Ports and Features

    Overall, the ports are quite well laid out. There are no ports on the back. Samsung have avoided squeezing ports so close together that they interfere with each other so all three USB ports can always be used. There are no ports on the front right side where cables can get in the way of a mouse. The fan exhaust is near the back on the left side. Perhaps the one omission for a travel-oriented computer is a modem port, but USB modems are reasonably cheap.

    Let’s have a tour of the sides clockwise starting at the front:

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    The front has the indicator lights and media card slot (with a plastic filler)

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    Left side from back to front: Power socket, network socket, fan exhaust, two USB2.0 ports (note the 3 CD cases against the back edge for scale)

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    The back: Nothing except two shiny hinges and the battery

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    Right side from front to back: audio ports, one USB port, VGA port and security slot.

    Display

    The display is a 10.2” 1024 x 640 (WSVGA) matte LCD with LED backlight. My display had a code of CPT04C4 (Chunghwa Picture Tubes). The brightness, at the maximum setting is less than the Sony G1 or the Dell E6400 (with LED backlit display) but is more than adequate for indoors. It may struggle in direct sunshine but is OK in indirect daylight. There are 8 brightness levels. The lowest is OK in poor lighting conditions but 1 step above minimum gives adequate lighting while extending battery time. Viewing angles are typical for displays of this type. The horizontal viewing angle range is good and the vertical range moderate.

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    Display viewed from different angles - it is best
    when pushed back a little

    The backlighting is a little uneven with the bottom left and right side of the screen being slightly darker (see the photos of the BIOS screens below). There are also two areas that show up slightly darker under certain conditions. These can be seen on the middle right segment of the above composite. One is just above the mouse pointer and the other is further to the right. At the moment I am planning to live with these. They are less of a problem than stuck pixels.

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    The NC10’s display in front of the 14.1” WXGA+
    display of the Dell E6400

    Audio Quality

    The NC10 contains two small loudspeakers located on the bottom under the palm rests. I rate the overall audio better than on my Dell E6400 but that is starting from a low base. While the speakers are small, the audio output quality is slightly improved by both the Samsung Enhanced Digital Sound and the equalizer option in the Realtek audio manager.

    Processor, Hard Drive and Performance

    The NC10 is designed for stamina, not speed, and is powered by the ubiquitous Intel Atom N270 CPU. The Thermal Design Power (TDP) rating of 2.5W is much lower than the 5.5W of the U1500 Core Solo CPU and the power consumption drops to below 0.5W in the low power states. The Intel data sheet indicates an absolute voltage range between 0.75 and 1.10V. CPU-Z does not appear to read the voltages correctly although the old CPU-Z 1.40.5 is much closer than the new version 1.49. I have observed a difference in power consumption of about 2W between full CPU load at 800MHz and full CPU load at 1.6GHz.

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    CPU-Z reports for the NC10

    Alongside the low power CPU is the Intel 945GSE chipset which is a version of the Intel 945GM chipset customised to work with the Atom CPU. This chipset is reported by most software as the Intel 945GM.

    The supplied hard disk is a 160GB 2.5” 5400rpm Hitachi 5K320 using the SATA interface. This model of the 5K320 uses one platter with a maximum transfer rate of 67.4MB/s and an average of 48.3MB/s. Both the hard disk and the interface performance are as one gets for a full-sized notebook. Results for HD Tune and HDTach are below.

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    My first attempt running wPrime produced a disappointing time of 175 seconds, but then I set it to run two threads and there was a significant improvement to 126 seconds so the overall time was almost the same as for the Intel U1500 CPU. This is hyperthreading at work. This is much, much slower than we are used to seeing for the recent dual core CPUs, but equal or faster than the older notebook CPUs.

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    Wprime results with one thread (left) and 2 threads (right)

    wPrime processor comparison results (lower scores mean better performance):

    Notebook / CPU wPrime 32M time
    Samsung NC10 (Intel Atom @ 1.6GHz) 125.562 seconds
    HP Mini 1000 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 125.788 seconds
    ASUS N10 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 126.047 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 117.577 seconds
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 127.172 seconds
    Acer Aspire One (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz) 125.812 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 901 (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz)
    123.437 seconds
    MSI Wind (Intel Atom @ 1.60GHz)
    124.656 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 900 (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz)
    203.734 seconds
    HP 2133 Mini-Note (Via CV7-M ULV @ 1.6GHz) 168.697 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 630MHz) 289.156 seconds
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 200.968 seconds
    Everex CloudBook (VIA C7-M ULV @ 1.2GHz) 248.705 seconds
    Fujitsu U810 Tablet PC (Intel A110 @ 800MHz)
    209.980 seconds
    Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (Core Solo U1500 @ 1.33GHz) 124.581 seconds
    Sony VAIO TZ (Core 2 Duo U7600 @ 1.2GHz) 76.240 seconds
    Dell Inspiron 2650 (Pentium 4 Mobile @ 1.6GHz) 231.714 seconds

    PCMark05 measures overall system performance (higher scores mean better performance):

    Notebook PCMark05 Score
    Samsung NC10 (1.6GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,515 PCMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,531 PCMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, NVIDIA 9300M 256MB) 1,851 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,527 PCMarks
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,446 PCMarks
    Acer Aspire One (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 1,555 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 901 (1.60GHz Intel Atom) 746 PCMarks
    MSI Wind (1.60GHz Intel Atom) N/A
    ASUS Eee PC 900 (900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV)
    1,172 PCMarks
    HP 2133 Mini-Note (1.6GHz VIA C7-M ULV) 801 PCMarks
    HTC Shift (800MHz Intel A110) 891 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (630MHz Intel Celeron M ULV) 908 PCMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 4G (900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV) 1,132 PCMarks
    Everex CloudBook (1.2GHz VIA C7-M ULV)
    612 PCMarks
    Sony VAIO TZ (1.20GHz Intel Core 2 Duo U7600) 2,446 PCMarks
    Fujitsu LifeBook P7230 (1.2GHz Intel Core Solo U1400) 1,152 PCMarks
    Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (1.33GHz Core Solo U1500) 1,554 PCMarks
    Toshiba Portege R500 (1.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo U7600) 1,839 PCMarks
    3DMark06 comparison results:

    Notebook 3DMark06 Score
    Samsung NC10 (1.6GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 89 3DMarks
    HP Mini 1000 (1.6GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 88 3DMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 73 3DMarks
    ASUS N10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, NVIDIA 9300M 256MB) 1,417 3DMarks
    ASUS Eee PC 1000HA (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) 95 3DMarks
    Lenovo IdeaPad S10 (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950) N/A
    Acer Aspire One (1.60GHz Intel Atom, Intel GMA 950)
    122 3DMarks
    Sony VAIO TZ (1.20GHz Core 2 Duo U7600, Intel GMA 950) 122 3DMarks
    HP dv2500t (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8400M GS 128MB) 1,055 3DMarks
    Sony VAIO FZ (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100) 532 3DMarks
    HP dv6000t (2.16 GHz Intel T7400, NVIDA GeForce Go 7400) 827 3DMarks

    Battery, Power Supply and Cooling System

    The power supply is small and light 40W (19V, 2.1A) unit with 1.8m power cables and has a 2-pin power connector. The 2-pin connectors have thinner and lighter mains power cables which are more travel-friendly. The PSU draws negligible mains power when the computer is off. There is no indicator light on the PSU to show that it has power. While the 40W PSU is small compared to standard notebook PSUs, the 45W PSU supplied with the Sony G11 is even smaller.

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    The NC10’s 40W PSU (centre) between a Samsung
    90W PSU (left) and Sony G11’s 45W PSU (right)

    The 6-cell battery is rated at 11.1V, 5200mAh = 57.72Whr. RMClock reported a fully charged capacity of 56.610WHr which is about 2% less than the nominal capacity. The charging rate is up to about 23W but reduces once the battery approaches full charge. Recharge only starts when the charge level is below 98% in order to reduce the number of charge cycles used for small top-ups.

    Samsung UK states that the NC10 can run for up to 7 hours on battery, although some retailers claim up to 8 hours. With the computer on idle and screen backlight turned on the lowest brightness I was able to get 8.4 hours of battery life. Web browsing using Ethernet and display at 2/8 brightness provided battery life in the range of 5-6 hours.

    Perhaps the most significant observation is the potential run time of more than 4 hours under full load. 7 hours is feasible if the display is on minimum brightness with no wireless or Bluetooth and very light usage with minimal CPU and HDD activity. In reality, no normal user works continuously for several hours and the computer will quickly drop into a lower power state between work sessions. I use Firefox with Flashblock to stop animated web pages from increasing the power consumption. Flash content on open web pages will continue to run in the background even if the computer is off line and that page is being used. Flash can cost up to about 2W extra power consumption.

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    97% charge and forecast 7 hours remaining!

    What about heat and fan noise? It is difficult to comment on the fan noise because it is so quiet I didn’t know it was running without putting my ear next to the fan exhaust outlet. The fan doesn’t normally run at all and if anyone doesn’t like this minimal noise there is always the Silent Mode option. Similarly, heat is not a problem with this netbook. It barely gets warm! Under full load (I ran 3DMark05 four times) then the bottom and the left side of the keyboard get warm (but not hot).

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    Warranty and Customer Support

    Samsung offers (in UK) a standard one year collect and return warranty. Samsung also offers an optional two year warranty extension. However, the cost is the same across the whole notebook / netbook range. I have contacted Samsung UK technical support on numerous occasions, usually via email. They usually respond within a day. The one area where customers are currently unhappy with Samsung support is the lack of recognition of the nvidia GPU problem (which won’t afflict the NC10) for which other major notebook manufacturers have extended the standard warranty.


    Conclusion

    While netbooks are (in the benchmark test results) slower than notebooks, how much do people use the full potential of their notebooks? The CPU in my Dell E6400 spends most of its time ambling along at 800MHz (but it does have two cores to share the workload). For the tasks that netbooks are aimed at, such as web browsing, opening emails and simple document work, the performance is similar to a normal notebook.

    Overall, the Samsung NC10 is a worthy challenger to ultra-portable notebooks. The performance is in the same range and, while the NC10’s battery life can’t quite match the Sony G11, it is at least the equal of the Toshiba R500 without the benefit of a noisy fan. The three areas where it can’t match those notebooks are display real estate, built-in optical drive, and price. For those people who want a very portable second computer then a netbook is the way forward. However, there will still be a demand for the ultra-portables from those people who want their only notebook to be as small and light as possible.

    Pros:

    • Solid construction
    • Generous keyboard for this form factor including dedicated Page Up and page Down keys
    • Bright and legible display with good viewing angles
    • Impressive battery life
    • Good hard disk capacity and speed
    • Small and light power supply
    • Three USB ports
    • Good styling with excellent attention to detail
    • Cheap compared to an ultra-portable

    Cons:

    • Small touchpad
    • Display back could be stronger
    • No WWAN option (at the moment)
    • Slightly uneven brightness on display
    • An Express Card slot would have increased the upgrade options
     
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  2. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    Thx for this review John,well written! :)

    I quite like this netbook...BTW,have you tried Asus 1000h?
     
  3. Cin'

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    Thanks John! This was a really good review you did. ;)

    It's a very nice netbook, yes! :D


    Cin ;) :)
     
  4. jetstar

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    Thanks for the review John. Good to see a relatively large keyboard on this machine.
     
  5. Red_Dragon

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    this was a great in depth review though that sony had the best screen what kind of toshiba was that?

    edit: NM i see its the R500 is that the NEW toshiba? Also sony g11? Never heard of that before.... :D
     
  6. Phil

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    Great review John.

    I think you've been spoiled with very bright backlights in the Sony G and Dell E6400. The NC10 gets around 200 cd/m² (measured by Notebookjournal.de) which is pretty bright. I used it once outside with the sunlight directly on it and was able to read it well. It was the autumn sunlight in Holland though.

    Good to see you mentioned the exact type and brand of display used. I'd like to see that in every review.
     
  7. Mark Larson

    Mark Larson Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks for the review. I think this is the best netbook on the market right now, with the right combination of features and price.
     
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    I would agree -- My aging Thinkpad T43 is like a third as bright as the NC10!
     
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    The sony gets longer battery life than the NC10?
     
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    John, thanks for a great job on the review!
     
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    Great review - though the benchmarks Sony TZ kinda ruled :D (as expected)


    I love the NC10 keyboard!!! I think its refresh will be VERY enticing :)
     
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    I had an Aspire One for a week and was too frustrated by the little keyboard and display size.

    I now have a NC -10 and continue to be amazed at how much I enjoy this little computer.....I know I should say "netbook" but I am using it so much in the place of my large laptop.

    Samsung got it right when they designed this. The display is great and once you tune it up with "clear type" the web text is razor sharp.

    I recommend this netbook to all.
     
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    Great review as always John.

    I think is this netbook or the Lenovo S10
     
  14. PottyDoctor

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    I like the S10, however I think the battery life on the NC-10 is the real deal maker.
     
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    I believe the same, the deal braker for the S10 is the battery life, when Lenovo offer this netbook with the 6 cell battery I think the comparisson will be more even. Anyway, this samsung is indeed a great attemp to fulfill the needs of average consumers within a limited budget.

    One thing I'd like to see in the future is a netbook build looking for the business market, I mean without a shinny lid and offering them with more "rugged" plastics.
     
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    Nice review.

    The NC-10 looks very thick in the back where the battery protrudes.
     
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    May I ask how this was achieved? Through a particular software? Thanks and great review!
     
  18. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    No, is the simple answer.

    The Toshiba R500 has been replaced by the R600, however it looks the same and probably has the same very small and noisy fan. The Sony G11 didn't get the acclaim it deserved and seems to have faded away.

    Yes. Even better. Sony had put a lot of effort in to the power management and I wonder if they picked the U1500 CPUs with the lowest leakage currents.

    Yes. it quite thick back there. I don't find it a problem, it helps tilt the keyboard and the protruding battery makes a very nice finger-grip if you are carrying the NC10 when it is closed.

    Manufacturers code this into the BIOS. I think my old Fujitsu used to wait until the charge dropped below 90% before enabling charging.

    Some other points: I see that the front view photo is wrong. I'll try to get that fixed. I left other test results out such as SiSoftware Sandra and Cinebench (yes, you can do 3D rendering, provided you are patient). If anyone wants this type of information then say so.

    And I didn't include a photo of the cloth sleeve in the review because it is not very photogenic. I'll attach one here. The sleeve is good enough to protect from dirt and scratches and also serves as a cloth for wiping off the finger-prints.

    John
     

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    Funnily enough, I have a UK spec NC10 and it doesn't sport this 'peculiarity' :D

    Good review John, though I don't necessarily agree with all the cons (except the smallish touchpad).
     
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    I think the pictures don't do it justice. In real life it looks normal.
     
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    Heh, compare the price tag and see why :rolleyes: .
    Samsung has produced a very good machine here, far better than its main rivals for the home netbook market which are the Asus and Acer.
     
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    I just noticed that on your CPU-Z readouts, it actually lists the memory clock speed. Oddly enough, on mine that field is blank. I remember seeing someone else's CPU-Z print screen for their NC10, and their was blank too. I wonder why that is...

    Also as a side note, my US model White NC10 does not have blue colored Function keys.
     
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    Only the black ones do. My black one did. Now I have a white one with all white keys.
     
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    Try CPU-z 1.49, which only came out a few days ago. It gets the memory OK but is still way off with the voltages.

    John
     
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    I just noticed in the pictures that your right "Shift" key is a little smaller than what you see in Samsung's official pictures. What's going on there?
     
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    The official pics show a US keyboard, John's has a UK keyboard. Unfortunately Samsung have chosen to put the backslash/pipe key to the right of the slash key instead of its usual position between the left shift and Z keys.

    Excellent review John. TaVM.
     
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    Nice review, and nice machine. The value question is still out there, though. Is it worth purchasing this at about $150 more than an eee? I'm not so sure.
     
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    If you can get a 1000h for $150 less then that's definetely the better deal.
     
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    I'd pay $150 more for this keyboard. Makes the entire product go.

    To add to some of John's comments:

    1) I think you're a bit conservative on the battery. I get 6 hours, with near continuous usage of Word/Firefox, with screen brightness at 3/8, and using "max battery."
    2) The fan to me is easily noticeable without putting my ear to it. The netbook gets pretty warm, but never hot.
    3) Regarding the battery sticking out the bottom: I am particularly sensitive about protruding batteries, I hate what they do to the aesthetic of a laptop, and particularly one that's designed to be as small as possible (e.g., this one). The protrusion on the NC10 is really quite minimal, in fact it's a very nice job on Samsung's part to fit a 6 cell into this machine without it protruding more than it does so now. Someone looking at the netbook from the side might very well conclude that it was an designed intentionally to bump up the notebook a few tenths of an inch for better ergonomics.
    4) The touchpad is actually quite fantastic. Being a Synaptics, you can disable the edge scrolling and enable two finger scrolling, giving you the entire trackpad to play with and a very useful functionality. Combined with the sensitivity increased to max (which to me is the most usable setting and not as fast as I expected it to be), and you have a very usable touchpad. I really like its surface material as well.

    Thanks for the review!
     
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    You may already know this, but there is a silent mode which can be enabled by pressing Fn-F8.

    I've had a couple of NC10's. My first one I could hear a bit. My current one I can't hear.
     
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    Both the black and blue models of the NC10 can have the blue F7 & F8 keys, it depends on their version number. If the label on the cardboard accessory box says Vers 1.0 it will have all black keys but if it says Vers 1.1 it will have the 2 blue keys. Samsung call these "EZ BLU Keys".

    I have had both versions and apart from these F Keys I couldn't see any other difference.Though I think I had more flex/bounce with the top left keys (Esc etc) on the version 1.0 than I do with my current version 1.1 which seems very firm.
     
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    I've tried silent mode, but my CPU temp jumps 10 degrees when using it (from around 42C to the low 50s). In the name of longevity of my hardware, I decided to keep the fan running though it at times annoys me. Perhaps I'm being anal.
     
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    I'll also add that according to MobileMeter, my average power draw is 9W, which with a 56Whr battery equates to just over 6 hours. This is using 3/8 or 4/8 brightness, max battery mode.
     
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    I have the same hard drive as John has in this review. With disabling some processes it performs a bit better: 52.5 MB/sec average (See attachment). I am very happy with the real life performance. Booting and hibernate times are snappy.

    I don't think low fifties is anything to be worried about. As far as I know it will not have any impact on the longevity.

    The annoyance may have some impact on your life though ;)
     

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    Low 50's is still quite cool. I've known hard drives that are hotter than that.

    If you aren't using Bluetooth, webcam or other devices then disable them in Device Manager. Also you might have some unneeded processes which are using some CPU time, which all contributes to the power consumption. If browsing then use Firefox with Flashblock or similar. See this thread for an example of why.

    Also, not all CPUs are made equal. The voltages and leakage currents can vary between units while all are within specification. This could influence overall battery run time by about an hour (only a guess) between the best and worst.

    John
     
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    Is an average draw of 9W not considered good? I didn't have webcam disabled, had LAN and BT disabled however.
     
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    9W is fine, but you should be looking for something a bit lower to offset the power peaks that happen if, for example, you read / write something to the HDD.

    John
     
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    Excellent review. It's a shame that Samsung currently has no plans to bring the black model to the US. It's the one I'm waiting for but at this rate, something better might come out before they get around to getting the color I want. CURSE YOU SAMSUNG!
     
  39. iloveNC10

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    hello, anyone already got this nice netbook?

    i will be interested if someone got is pre-installed with ENGLISH XP Home SP3, with recovery CD.

    i got one with T Chinese XP Home SP3, I believe somone will be interested with Chinese language, please PM me if interested.
     
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    There are many NC10 owners. They are more likely to see your question if you ask it in the NC10 thread.

    John