<!-- Generated by XStandard version 1.7.1.0 on 2007-10-31T00:17:59 -->Sager NP5791 Review
by Charles P. Jefferies
Index:
Design and Build
Display
Speakers
Benchmarks and Gaming
Heat and Noise
Keyboard
Touchpad
Input and Output Ports
Wireless
Battery
OS and Software
Customer Support
ConclusionThe Sager NP5791 is a top-of-the-line 17-inch high performance notebook based on the latest Intel Santa Rosa platform. It is designed for gaming and features the latest high-end Nvidia graphics cards.
Before I start the review I would like to give a special thanks to Donald Stratton of PowerNotebooks.com for giving us the opportunity to test this machine.
(view large image)Our system has the following specifications:
- Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 (2.2GHz/4MB L2/800MHz FSB)
- 17-inch WUXGA (1920x1200) glossy display
- Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT with 512MB GDDR3 memory
- 2GB DDR2-667 RAM
- 80GB 7200RPM SATA HDD
- 8X DVD+/-RW DL burner
- Intel 4965AGN wireless
- Integrated Bluetooth 2.0
- Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit
- 8-cell battery
Pricing for this configuration is about $2,000. Other configurations can be had starting from $1,800.
Build & DesignIt is obvious from the photos that the Sager NP5791 is no ordinary notebook. It is a clear departure from the industry trend of glossy plastic and bright colors. The NP5791 is a mostly matte-surfaced black notebook with orange trim strips. The back of the lid is a sheet of brushed aluminum and the very top of the lid is a strip of black glossy plastic.
(view large image)The plastic on this notebook is without a doubt thicker than what is found on mainstream notebooks. There are no cheap noises made when the chassis is tapped and no vibrations can be felt – while tapping on the left palmrest I could not feel vibrations on the right. The notebook's chassis is so solid it feels like the inside of the chassis is a solid block of hardwood. It is essentially impossible to twist the chassis. Flex is nonexistent - the only way I could get any of the places on top of the chassis to budge was by putting abnormal pressure on it.
(view large image)There are several variants of plastic used in the construction. A matte black plastic covers most of the top of the chassis; it feels smooth and durable. The orange trim bordering the notebook is made of the same plastic, and so are the touchpad buttons. The area surrounding the outside of the lid around the display is also made of the same material except it has a small bit of texture. There is a very thin strip of glossy black plastic bordering the lid, giving it an elegant look. It matches the glossiness of the display and makes the display look bigger than it actually is. Around the keyboard and touchpad is a carbon-fiber textured plastic that adds flare and detail. I like the way it looks when light hits it – the checkered pattern really stands out. Finally, the plastic used on the bottom and sides of the NP5791 is also textured like the area around the lid and thinner yet it still feels well made.
The display is reinforced by the aluminum backing and it adds a degree of insurance against damage. Pushing on the back of the display yields no ripples in the picture. The display can be twisted a small amount but flex is both normal and expected on a 17 inch screen; this screen does not flex as much as a mainstream 17 inch notebook due to its extra strength. The hinges holding the display in place are strong and secure. I like how there are many small rubber pads around the screen so it does not come in contact with the keyboard or chassis area. There are two latches on the top of the display – the one on the left is a lock and the right one is a traditional spring latch. Both work as expected; when shut, the lid has little freedom to move which shows attention to detail.
The gaps between parts of the notebook are minimal and equidistant. It is obvious a great deal of time was spent perfecting the build quality of the NP5791. There is no area of the chassis that showed symptoms of budget-cutting. I am impressed by the solidness and sheer quality of this machine. The NP5791 is certainly one of the best built machines I have come across, counting even the business class machines. The NP5791 feels like it was built to last. The only downside to the fantastic build quality is the added weight from the beefier materials, but extra weight is a small price to pay for that peace of mind.
DisplayThe Sager NP5791 is available with two screens – a matte WSXGA+ (1680x1050 pixels) and a glossy WUXGA (1920x1200 pixels). Our evaluation unit has the latter. WUXGA is the highest available resolution on a notebook. The NP5791's top-shelf display is nothing short of impressive – movies, games, pictures, and text look crisp, clear, and detailed. Colors pop off the screen and contrast is high. Even in high light conditions I found the brightness to be more than adequate – it is almost too bright in a dark room. Light leakage is minimal, with only a small amount coming from below. It is only noticeable when viewing a black screen. Side-to-side viewing angles are near perfect and the vertical is very good – the picture only washes out slightly. From below the display darkens and to a lesser degree than I expected. For a notebook panel the NP5791 is definitely one of the best I have seen.
SpeakersThere are two stereo speakers on the NP5791. They are located at opposite ends of the rear of the chassis, on the sides and next to the display hinges. I found the odd placement made surround sound from two speakers more believable. The speakers are small and borderline tinny; I am not impressed nor disappointed with them. The sound is detailed (I could hear picks of a guitar and bullet casings hitting the ground) but volume is limited and bass response is nil. Treble (voices) is measurable but again, nothing special. The two speakers are adequate for general usage although I highly recommend a good pair of external speakers or headphones to make for the best sound experience.
Our Sager NP5791 came with a mid-range Core 2 Duo T7500 CPU and 2GB of fast DDR2-667 RAM. It proved to be an able performer for all tasks.
System Performance Benchmarks
Windows Experience Index
(view large image)The bottlenecks in Vista's Windows Experience Index benchmark are the hard drive and the memory.
Processor Performance Benchmarks
wPrime
(view large image)wPrime is a multi-threaded CPU test – it is similar to SuperPi but has a few more features. It is a much more accurate benchmark for dual-core CPUs. Please see our big comparison thread here.
SiSandra Arithmetic
(view large image)SiSandra Multimedia
(view large image)The Core 2 Duo T7500 is one of the fastest notebook processors.
Rendering Performance using Cinebench 9.5
Cinebench is a rendering benchmark tool based on the powerful 3D software, CINEMA 4D. Its rendering tasks can stress up to sixteen multiprocessors on the same computer. It is a free benchmarking tool, and can be found here: http://www.cinebench.com/
I ran Cinebench 9.5 with 32-bit color depth at a 1920 x1200 resolution
CPU Benchmark
- Rendering (Single CPU): 392 CB-CPU
- Rendering (Multiple CPU): 687 CB-CPU
- Multiprocessor Speedup: 1.75
Graphics Benchmark
- Shading (CINEMA 4D): 451 CB-GFX
- Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1459 CB-GFX
- Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 3787 CB-GFX
- OpenGL Speedup: 8.39
Hard Drive Performance
HDTune 2.53
(view large image)What the Hitachi 80GB 7200RPM SATA drive lacks in quietness it makes up for in performance. I found the drive made audible clicking noises while seeking or writing.
Gaming Benchmarks
Synthetic Performance
3DMark06
(view large image)Scoring almost 5,000 points, the 8700M-GT is on par with mid-range desktop video cards. It is impressive that such power is packed into a portable machine.
Real-life games
I ran numerous games on the NP5791 to see what it was made of. Prior to testing, I defragmented the hard drive and did a Windows Update. I installed the latest Nvidia drivers (169.01 beta). All frames per second (FPS) benchmarks were done with FRAPS.
Crysis Demo
This is the first person shooter the gaming community has been waiting for. The NP5791 can run it at near full settings at a 1280x800 resolution in DirectX 9 mode; DirectX 10 mode was unplayable at the same settings and did not appear any different to my eyes. While the FPS may seem low they are actually quite playable. Here are the standard settings I used for all benchmarking:
Main Settings
(view large image)I tested with various advanced settings levels to determine how powerful the machine was.
Medium Settings
(view large image)Frames: 1354
Time: 60000ms
Avg: 22.567
Min: 20
Max: 27
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(view large image)The FPS range I received was tight which is a good thing – gameplay is too varied with a large range. As I stated, even 20 FPS is quite playable in this game. Now let us turn up the settings some more.
High Settings
The highest settings I found playable were as follows:
(view large image)Frames: 1293
Time: 60000ms
Avg: 21.550
Min: 14
Max: 32
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(view large image)Oddly enough turning most of the settings up to high did not affect performance much at all (-4.5 percent), yet it looked far more detailed than on medium. I found that the SHADER QUALITY and the SHADOW QUALITY affected performance the most, and merely reducing them to medium almost doubled my frame rates. With all settings on high (OBJECTS QUALITY is unchangeable) the game is unplayable, with FPS ranging from the single digits to the low teens. However, as can be seen from the screenshots, Crysis is absolutely stunning on the Nvidia 8700M-GT and is more than playable. I imagine the 512MB of GDDR3 dedicated memory helped the performance numbers.
Unreal Tournament 3 Demo
Unreal Tournament 3 is also a game that has been on the minds of many for a long time. I found the game to be supremely playable on the NP5791 and its Nvidia graphics card.
The most playable settings I found were as follows:
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(view large image)Level: Heat Ray (Deathmatch vs. AI)
Frames: 3313
Time: 60000ms
Avg: 55.217
Min: 35
Max: 64
Level: Shangri La (Deathmatch vs. AI)
Frames: 3104
Time: 60000ms
Avg: 51.733
Min: 36
Max: 64
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(view large image)The average framerate is a more-than-satisfying 51+ FPS and more importantly the FPS never dipped below 35, even in intense firefights.
Bioshock
Bioshock is one of the most demanding games currently available on the market and is extremely shader-heavy. I ran the game in DirectX 9 mode with the following settings:
(view large image)Level: Medical Pavilion
Frames: 2289
Time: 60000ms
Avg: 38.150
Min: 25
Max: 59
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(view large image)These were the highest playable settings for the NP5791. This particular level, Medical Pavilion, had lots of water, vapor, and smoke and was hard on the graphics card. The game looked absolutely beautiful and the framerates were generally steady; only in the most intensive scenes did the frames drop below 30.
Overall Gaming Impressions
The NP5791 has earned its title of 'gaming notebook'. Even with the highest settings (or close to them) in today's most demanding games, it provided a stable and visually stunning 3D experience that was thoroughly enjoyable.
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Heat & NoiseThe NP5791 is cooled by two fans located in the back right quadrant of the chassis; one is significantly larger than the other. The CPU and video card are both located in this area and the two fans ensure that they get ample cooling. I found that under normal, everyday use the NP5791 gets little more than lukewarm on the surface, which is extremely impressive for a notebook packing as much power as this one. Only the left side of the chassis from the touchpad area and over gets warmer than room temperature; the left side of the chassis stays almost room temperature. The warmest part of the notebook on the surface is the touchpad and the area immediately to the right of it. During gaming, I did not notice any increase in surface temperature. The bottom of the notebook gets warm in the same places as the top, except the temperatures are slightly higher.
Unfortunately the cooling fans are none too quiet. While both are quiet enough at idle, they ramp up to full speed every minute or so and then slow down, which gets irritating. The fans are loud enough to annoy someone in a quiet place at full speed, even if they are several yards away. Although I would take a loud notebook that stays cool over a quiet one that does not any day of the week, it would have been nice if the manufacturer found a quieter way to cool the machine. The NP5791 is loud enough that I would be hesitant to take it anywhere quiet like a library. In a meeting it might even be disruptive.
Overall, I am impressed with the NP5791's ability to keep itself cool but I am disappointed with the noise level that was apparently necessary to achieve that.
KeyboardThe Sager NP5791 has a full size keyboard with a numeric keypad. This keyboard is fantastic because it excels in a number of ways. For starters, there is no flex, even at the corners or in the middle. The keyboard keys have a slightly rubbery feel and sound and provide resistance all the way down. The way this keyboard responds is pleasing and enjoyable. With many brands, I notice that the keyboard keys have been made out of thinner and thinner plastic over the years. I have yet to see this trend on a Sager notebook – the keys are made of thick plastic and feel high quality.
(view large image)However, I have two qualms with this particular keyboard. For starters, there are no dedicated home, page up, page down, or end keys. Instead, they are integrated as secondary functions into the arrow keys and the Function key must be pressed to utilize them. I find this setup awkward and annoying because I frequently use those keys. If the number lock is turned off, then the 1, 3, 7 and 9 keys become the end, page down, home and page up keys respectively. Regardless, it is still an odd setup. My second qualm with the keyboard is the three column number pad. Normally a number pad has four columns. Fortunately this number pad still has all the 17 keys a normal number pad has. The layout simply takes time to adjust to.
TouchpadThe NP5791's touchpad is offset to the left as it is with most 17-inch notebooks so it aligns with the center of the keyboard. I usually do not have a lot to say about the touchpad but this one is most enjoyable to use. It has a textured feel but it is smooth at the same time; in other words, just the right amount of texture to provide feedback. A column on the right side is dedicated to scrolling. The touchpad buttons are pleasing to use; they are made out of the same matte black plastic as the palmrest and surrounding area and push down with a quiet and satisfying click. They feel solid. In between the two buttons is the fingerprint reader which can be used to log into Windows and remember passwords for various applications, including Internet webpages.
Input & Output portsAll descriptions are from left to right.
Left Side:
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- Speaker
- Kensington security lock slot
- optical drive
Right Side:
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- ExpressCard/54 slot
- Memory card reader
- 2x USB 2.0
- IEEE 1394 mini-Firewire
- 56k modem jack
- Ethernet
- Coaxial connection (enabled with TV tuner)
- Speaker
Front:
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- SPDIF
- Headphone jack
- Microphone jack
- Line In
- Status lights
Back:
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- Vents
- S-video out
- DVI-D
- 2x USB 2.0
- Power connection
- Serial port
I am impressed with the wide variety of ports offered on the NP5791. What is especially nice is the DVI-D port, which is rare and valuable. The most common uses for a DVI-D port are connecting to high resolution external displays and high definition TVs.
WirelessThe NP5791 accepts a mini-PCI express wireless card; ours came with the Intel 4965AGN supporting 802.11a, b, g, and n wireless formats. I had no trouble connecting and maintaining connections to various secured and unsecured (no, not my neighbor's) wireless connections. It picked up many wireless connections that my older laptop did not see at all.
Internal Bluetooth wireless also came with our test unit. It functioned as expected.
BatteryWith the 8-cell battery, I was pleased to get 2 hours and 40 minutes of battery life. I surfed the Internet and edited text files the entire time with the brightness on level 3 out of 7 (7 being the highest). Needless to say I am impressed with the result because let us not forget this unit is housing a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo processor, 17-inch screen, 512MB video card, and 7200RPM hard drive. The relatively long battery time is an unexpected bonus with this machine.
Operating System & SoftwareThe NP5791 can be ordered with Windows XP, Vista, or no operating system. Ours came with Vista Ultimate 32-bit which has its ups and downs. On the plus side Windows Vista has DirectX 10 and Windows XP does not. Unfortunately Vista proved to be an unstable operating system on this machine as I had trouble installing programs, running them, and seemingly random freezing issues, especially when hibernating. I attribute these problems to Vista alone and not the machine itself because I have had similar issues with every Vista machine I have used.
Besides the operating system, the only other pre-installed software consists of DVD burning software (Nero), BisonCam webcam software, and the fingerprint reader software. No bloatware is to be found.
Customer SupportDuring my time with the NP5791 I did not have to contact customer support. However, I currently own a Sager notebook – one time I did send an email asking for a BIOS update for it and they got back to me within an hour. The email was answered by a real person and not a machine.
All Sager computers are backed with lifetime technical support. Sager's support website has a variety of tech support options. Drivers can be downloaded from there as well for both past and present notebooks.
Through PowerNotebooks.com, customers are provided with domestic 24/7 tech support. I contacted PowerNotebooks’ technical support once with my Sager and I was very pleased with the support – my call was answered immediately by a real person, no prompts. My question was answered in short order.
ConclusionFor those looking for a 17-inch gaming notebook in the $1,800 - $2,500 range, the Sager NP5791 warrants serious consideration. In this reviewer's opinion the NP5791 is an extremely solid, well designed, and polished gaming notebook. To top everything off, its price tag is reasonable and could be considered a bargain when compared to more expensive brands. This is the first notebook I have tested in some time that I will sorely miss. With sleek looks, a beautiful display, and an arsenal of powerful components, the NP5791 is the premier single-GPU 17-inch gaming notebook on the market.
Pros:
- Top notch build quality
- Powerful performance
- Gorgeous display
- Unique looks
- Reasonable price tag
- Available with Windows XP
- Measurable battery life
- Runs cool
Cons:
- Loud fans
- Only one internal hard drive
- Odd keyboard/number pad layout
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
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Crimsonman Ex NBR member :cry:
I like this new index thing.
Awesome review Chaz, as always. That thing is fat tho -
The Forerunner Notebook Virtuoso
Great review chaz. Nice pics and benchies.
I like the way it looks, has a certain indistinguishable flair to it. -
Nice review Chaz.
I have been waiting for Clevo to update the BIOS and keyboard firmware to enable the Fan Toggle, like the other Clevo gaming notebooks. -
Very nice review.
That laptop is a beauty. -
awesome review man, im working on mine. i has some things i disagree about but for the most part i do agree with your review..
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Wow...those are some very impressive scores with the 8700GT. In fact, it has inspired me to install the 169.04 drivers and see if its improves my Crysis performance. I am not getting the same level of performance, and I want to know why
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excellent review... very comprehensive.
I really like the style of this laptop. Wish they had a 15.4" version though. Might just have to get a vostro 1500, and pay to have the orange accents painted on(just a nice pin stripe along the edge) -
One more thing to note...
is that this is one of the rare notebooks with Dual-Link DVI
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-- Apple Cinema Display, Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP-HC, Hewlett-Packard LP3065, Gateway XHD3000, Samsung 305T -
yep those scores are about the same i get...
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Thanks for the review. Very awaited. I'm just wondering about the noise from the fans. How loud is it, like compared to a desktop gaming computer? Would i be able to sit in a classroom with 50 students, and hear what the teacher is saying?
I'm planning to go almost all the way and get a bigger version of it quad core and sli graphics. how much will this possible increase the noise and heat? -
Nice review Chaz! I was reading some of your posts yesteday mentioning this rig, and I couldn't find the review. Here it is. I thought I missed it somehow.
One question though - you were testing Crysis in Vista right? Have you tried XP performance? I wonder if there is a considerable difference.
I also wait to see some overclocking results (knowing you).
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Very nice review. It's the only review I've read in a while that gives you a very clear idea about the laptop.
I just wish they'll release a modular bay to install the second HDD. -
Metamorphical Good computer user
Great review Chaz and like the backgroundless pictures. The index is also a really cool addition to the review. I think the look of this notebook (the black and orange) is one of my favorites. Wish a smaller notebook with the same look would come around. I did notice smudges on the lid and the bottom though.
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yep it def smudges pretty easy luckily the top cleane well due to it being metal. just dont scratch it since under the black it is silver
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I simply love this laptop. It's definitely my favorite 17" and my favorite overall. I just wish I could add another HDD in this laptop (even using the DVD-RW bay).
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Nice review Chaz! The speaker placement on this notebook is somewhat unique.
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Nicely done review, Chaz. That notebook is awesome!
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And it gives it a distinct look.
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3783
You can definitely hear people talking over the fans of the NP5791 but they are very noticeable when on, that was the point I attempted to make.
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I have class today (2,5 hours) and it last from begin to end in battery mode, simple tasks (pdf reader, word and a little of internet explorer).
The vents are little anoying to me but hardly notice to others, my other class friends arent disturbed with them also (they have laptops to).
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That is one awesome notebook! The gaming performance....wow. I even like the styling of this model, with the exception of the "half-moon" speakers on each side. Even the battery life is impressive; much more so than the Dell XPS M1730. The keyboard layout is a rather big turn-off for me though, since I often use the home/end/pg up/pg dn keys.
But otherwise, very, very nice!! It would be a tough call between this and the HP Compaq 8710w if I had to choose a high-end 17" Model. -
wow what an awesome notebook!
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nice notebook. I wonder how the 8800 gtx will fare in benchmarks.
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The lack of a proper num pad is a real shame. There are two Del keys? And both closely beside each other? Makes you wonder what they were thinking. Hopefully they'll change that in a future model.
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Is the graphic card the same in the 5790? DDR3
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In case you're wondering how the 5791 would do with a 7950, my 3dmark score is 5389(that is because I have the 120 Gb 5400 RPM HDD) and the noise is pretty much the same. Those damn vents are pretty irritating, but I would like to stress just as Chaz did that this thing IS COOL IN TERMS OF TEMPERATURES. Even when gaming intensely for 8 hours , the chasis in the upper side was COLD, there was some mild warm feeling in the right touchpad area(I think that's where the HDD is) and somewhat worm on the bottom. I was blown away how cool this thing stays. Although Clevo could have come up with less noisy fans, they do a heck of a job with cooling the system.
In terms of performance..I also have the 2.2Ghz processor and 2 GB of RAM, but when running Crysis at the exact same details as chaz did, I went over 40 fps even in explosion and graphically intense parts of the levels. Bioshock runs smoothly with everything on high and 1280x1024, that is with the new drivers...older ones kinda forced me to lower to 1024 to get super smoothness. Just as a FYI , for me smoothness means OVER 40 FPS at all times.
I've played Quake 4 at 1600x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF and eveything high, and it rocked.
I love every part of this laptop, can`t wait to see the new 8th series mobile video card and how it would go compared to the beast , 7950GTX. -
Judging on the photographs, the DVI port is a DVI-I port, not a DVI-D port.
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
I'd recommend the Go7950GTX + XP setup to anyone who wants to game seriously. It's the best performing setup. -
What about DX10? What are the supposed benefits of DX10?
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It's worth noting that this laptop also comes in a white-colored theme, although it has yet to be released by Clevo yet.
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
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Excelent review... very well made...
Something that I´ve notice, is that the keyboard arrangement is diferent... mine have the normal shape enter key among other things... maybe it´s diferent because mine is in Portuguese.
Yours
Mine
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I'm sure that the reason yours is 'normal' is because you have a different language keyboard. Most/all US (or English) keyboards have the 'not-normal' layout.
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That's incredible. And that battery life is ridiculous. Especially with only the 8-cell. However, we all know that with a 7950, it is more like 1:40 from the reviews. xD
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Hmm..I like carbon-fiber textured around the keyboard and touchpad to be orange as well. Surely it will make the notebook's look much cooler. But it's just me^_^
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I currently use Vista x 64 for gaming, and no complaints from me. There are some issues with Vista x64 and some apps, but gaming seems to be more that enjoyable . If I can find my xp cd somewhere, I`m going to see some comparisson between gaming on XP and Vistax64, although with the newer drivers,performance seems to be more than pleasant.
I am though surprised of the performance in Crysis from the 8700Gt, it is pretty close to what I`m getting. (25+ fps in medium settings and ~20 in all High) . Maybe the card has more power than I thought. All the better since the 8th series will have to release a new card pretty soon and then the 5791 will definitely become one of the most powerful DTR and gaming laptops. -
Cool laptop. I like the orange rim. This is the second best 17" laptop out right now, IMO, with the first being HP 8710p/w.
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i got to use a hp 8710 before buying this one and imo i like this better than the hp. but everyone has their own opinions
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It's cooler, that's why!
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does anyone know where we can purchase it in canada ???
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eurocom i believe?
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Here are some SS of Crysis on my M570RU:
8700M GT/4GB ram/T7700
Vista x86
1280x800 DX10 mode on
Textures and objects very high
the other settings all high except shadows medium
avr fps 30; max 40; explosions/dense areas 25
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Why do I have the feeling that the wheel on that truck isn't quite round?
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Yeah, probably. I was thinking about the weird resolution (considering that 4:3 is some sort of standard in many games).
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
Fantastic screenshots, thanks for posting. You're running at higher frames than I was with better settings (well, DX10 vs. DX9).
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Weren't you running it at a higher resolution?
Sager NP5791 Review
Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by Charles P. Jefferies, Oct 31, 2007.