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Introduction
When we last met I provided an Introduction to the Solid State Drive in an effort to enlighten you a bit on the basics of SSD, an up and coming technology in our present day digital revolution. Since writing that article I have been fortunate enough to speak with manufacturers of SSDs, along with companies such as SiliconSystems and STEC Inc who utilize the SSD at the enterprise level. In trying to find the light of day through all the "white papers" I was so kindly provided by these companies (and did read by the way) I have a deeper knowledge of the importance of SSD today. The SSD is used in F-16 fighter jets, M-1 tanks, weapons targeting systems, telecom systems, medical systems, as well as industrial automation applications. The defense, telecom, industrial and medical fields all count on the reliability and lifespan the SSD offers for their mission critical goals.
I initially believed the speed advantage of SSD over an HD would be the key factor in its adoption, but was surprised to learn that the lack of moving parts and ability of the SSD to withstand drastic weather changes and extremely turbulent conditions were more important for the earliest adopters. I no longer find myself laughing at videos such as this Samsung SSD shock test demo.
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to scientifically test shock resistance qualities of SSDs, so In today's article I'm just going to focus on the speed aspect of three SSDs and one HD I have on hand. I am going to provide a speed comparison test between three solid state drives and one hard drive. The solid state drives being tested are the Mtron Mobi 3000 32GB, Samsung 64GB, and Sandisk 5000 32GB while our hard drive contender is the 160GB, 7200RPM Seagate Momentus. The hard drive is considered to show the difference between the SSD and HD technologies.
The competition is lined up: clockwise from top left is the Sandisk 5000 SSD, Mtron Mobi 3000 SSD, Seagate Momentus HD and Samsung 64GB SSD (view large image)The laptop test system being used with each drive has the following specs:
- Unit: Dell XPS M1330
- OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit
- CPU: Intel Core 2 DUO CPU T7300 @ 2Ghz
- Memory: 4096Mb (4GB)
- Graphics: Nvidia GeForce 8400M GS
This system is setup up with the Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) enabled. There has been a lot of discussion relating to AHCI lately, as a bit of a background you might want to read about AHCI in this Wikipedia article. During testing the XPS M1330 laptop is setup to be as stable as possible. Such toys as Object Dock, Vista Sidebar, anti-virus programs and even my Internet and Bluetooth connections are shut off to ensure that the system is as stable as it can be. Many have run benchmarks using programs like HDTune and wondered why there is spiking in the final graph result; leaving resource hog applications open during tests is why.
Benchmark Program Results
I have relied on several programs for my benchmark tests. These include PCMark05, WinExperience scoring, Atto HD Benchmark, HDTune, HDTach and I have also tested the startup times myself with a regular old stop watch. The results of these tests are best served through a chart which is displayed below. To assist visually, the top scores are listed in red while low are in blue.
It is important to note that each program runs through its own manner of testing and, as such, you may see deviations in read or write speeds from program to program.
Benchmark Interpretation
Many will simply look at the results and rely on the red to show you which SSD stood out as the fastest, and they will be correct. The Mtron Mobi 3000 series shows itself to be well above the rest. In fact, it may well be the single fastest storage medium available to the consumer today.
Let's educate ourselves a bit though shall we? Let me provide a basic explanation of exactly what needs to be known for interpretation of these scores above.
"Disk Read" -- is measured in MB/s. It is the rate at which information is pulled from the drive to be read and start a program or provide information for a program. To give an example, have you ever opened a document only to scroll down and have to wait for the information to be read from the disk? That's the symptom of a slow data read. Most SSD systems of today's level can pull multi-gigabyte documents up in such speed that you will never even notice a delay. Looking at the HDTune charts below, you can see that the Mtron drive speed of 96 MB/s is well ahead of the pack and the Seagate Momentus is much lower with sustained readings of about 44.6 MB/s according to HDTune. It is interesting to note that the hard drive starts out with a great read speed but hard drives, unlike SSDs, have a decline in performance through continuous read/write activity.
Mtron SSD HDTune performance graph (view large image)
Seagate HD HDTune performance graph (view large image)
"Disk Write" -- is the rate at which a drive copies information from a location, such as RAM, to the drive. Have you ever downloaded a large video in Vista? An example of writing to the disk is best shown when the document has been downloaded completely and then you will see a window appear while its moving it from the temporary folder to its permanent location on the hard drive.
"Disk Access" – is probably one of the most important things to consider when deciding if you want to move to the SSD. It is measured in milli-seconds and is the reason there is such a great increase in speed for booting an OS such as Vista and being able to play within the system. This speed is the time in which a piece of information is found on a sector of a drive, pulled up and read. Most hard drives are in excess of 10ms, as shown in the 15.1ms time for the Seagate. Meanwhile, SSDs such as the Mtron are reaching new heights with less than 0.1ms access time. The reason for this is because the hard drive has to wait for the disk to spin and information to become available whereas with NAND flash, it is available almost instantly.
"Burst Speed" – is the speed in which information can be read through the drives onboard read ahead memory. To date, hard drives have been able to return higher burst speeds through testing. The Seagate's burst speed return of 179.8MB/s seemed rather high, but the test was performed three times to confirm it. HDTune reported the Seagate Burst speed to be just below 95MB/s which put it closer to the Mtron burst speed of 69.0 MB/s. In considering the burst speed, one should keep in mind that this reflects the reading of only a small amount of information over a very short period of time. I believe the more realistic approach is to look at the sustained speed of larger files combined with the disk access speed.
Product Availability
You might like what you see with these SSD benchmarks and decide you want one, but availability continues to be a hardship of the SSD -- many are not yet available through public distribution at reasonable prices. Mtron products can be purchased through only a couple of resellers in North America, DVNation or RocketDisk. The Samsung SSD seems to be only available through a system purchase with companies such as Dell. Sandisk drives can be found online at places like CDW.com and eBay.com. Other companies such as Memoright make available IDE SSDs while Ritek USA expects to release their version of the SSD in North America within weeks.
Fast as the Mtron Mobi 3000 might be, catching it in a store could be the problem
Summary and Conclusion
A great deal of credit must go to Mtron for their advances in SSD technology in such a short period of time. Whereas other companies are trying to tackle the SSD size problem, Mtron elected to work on its SSD with respect to performance first. They are the forerunner in all but two of the tests conducted. Their Mobi 3000 SATA SSD is soon to be upgraded by the Mtron Pro series for consumer and enterprise which claims a read speed of 120MB/s and write of 100MB/s. I look forward to its release for review.
Credit must also be given to the two other SSDs as they do meet the needs of consumers in respective categories, the Samsung with its generous 64Gb size and the Sandisk 5000 32GB for its low price -- it can be found for below the $400 mark.
The key is that SSD is making a fast entrance and performance is quickly improving on top of what was already excellent performance. Consider that the maximum write speed for an SSD a month ago has jumped from 13MB/s on the Sandisk to a mind blowing 71MB/s on the Mtron, with another jump soon to make its appearance -- you get the point. The SSD is the fastest storage medium available and not soon to be beaten by anything on the horizon.
While speed is a very important advantage to these new SSD devices, one thing I was not able to test properly was the shock resistance qualities and longevity of these drives. Knowledge that the military has tested and is using SSDs in F-16 fighters and M-1 tanks would lead you to believe we can probably rest assured the data on a laptop SSD is safe from drops and even old Father Time as well.
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Excellent excellent. Now I'm not an exceptionally tech savvy guy, but I definitely like new things... I'm trying to convince myself (though it's not hard right now as money is very tight) that I don't want a new computer until I can get an SSD drive - ideally in a Mac - at a reasonable price. So knowing now that SSD technology is advancing at break neck speeds is very comforting considering it'll probably be at least a year or two until I make the plunge back into the market and can pick up (hopefully) one sweet SSD.
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CalebSchmerge Woof NBR Reviewer
I didn't have time to read the entire article yet, but seems like very good work. I like the considerations for system stability. 2 questions - first, how does this affect boot and hibernation times? Second, how does it feel? We all know that most benchmarks aren't noticeable (i.e. striving for changes usually doesn't yield real world changes) but these seem to make a big difference, can you really feel it?
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This mini review is presented very well!
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Thank you Caleb,
I should have clarified the Vista startup times a bit better. The startup times are reflected with the full system starting to include all the toys.
My startup is from when the button is pressed to when the final internet confirmation is presented on my screen. Everything has started and is in place to include AVG virusscan, Objectdock, Sidebar, Bluetooth, Quickset etc. If I didn't include those, Im sure I could start the system just above the 20 second mark.
As for my opinion on which SSD has the best feeling for me, I have to concede the Mtron feels very solid in the system. Its kind of like jumping into a Grand Prix GTP and pressing on the 'Performance Shift' button on the shifter. -
Very interesting review.
One factor to take into account when considering SSD:s is their very poor (much worse than a HD) write performance when making small random writes. This occurs because of the SSD block size which means that although you are only writing e.g. 4kb of data, the SSD first must erase a much larger block and then re-write that entire block, now updated with the new 4kb of data. As long as the data written is equal or larger than the block size written, you see good write performance. However, if the random data written is smaller, then you start to suffer write penalties.
Bittorrent downloads and page file writes should be two examples of random writes of small amounts of data. It would be very interesting to see how the SSDs fare in such situations (although it is probably very difficult to devise a reliable benchmark).
It would be very interesting to see the Atto Diskbench Charts for the different SSD drives, as they display the random write performance for different data sizes.
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Nope, I have no problem with posting any results in this fashion. It would have been very 'page consuming' otherwise considering my entire floor was covered with all the results when I compiled the excel sheet.
I think you will be surprised to see, once again that the Mtron prevails. The Sandisk, once again, suffers from the incredibly slow write performance with respect to the lower sizes.Attached Files:
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Very interesting results! It is impressive to see the Mtron outdo the Seagate even for small writes. It is also interesting to notice the very poor write performance of the Sandisk.
In other reviews, when the Sandisk has been pitted against the Samsung (Tomshardware) the Sandisk has been declared winner. However, seeing the ATTO charts leads me to belive that the Samsung is the better choice compared to the Sandisk.
On the other hand, Tomshardware tested only the 32GB Samsung so it is quite possible that the 64GB Samsung you tested is an improved model.
On a few occasions, when having access to very high bandwidth Internet Connections I have been able to completely saturate my poor 5400 rpm notebook hard drive with Bittorrent downloads. The cumulative download rate has not been more than 2 megabytes per second but the number of simultaneous connections to peers have been around 1 000.
The above situation would result in my poor notebook hard drive having a hard time just keeping up with the download and being completely unusable for other purposes. However, in other situations the drive would easily handle sequential writes (not burst) of up to 20 megabytes per second.
I wonder if the Sandisk would completely choke if used for Bittorrent downloads on high bandwith connections.
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Great review! I appreciate the work. I have already ordered my Dell XPS M1730 with the 64gb SSD and 200gb hard drive combo.
I am not up on how all this stuff works, but I am learning. I wonder how these two drives will work. Will it be just like two separate drives? Are they in the same cage? Have you any experience with these combo drives? Any knowledge would be appreciated.
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Don't you have a 64GB SSD from Mitron for comparison?
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Mtron is not expected to release SSDs in the 64Gb form factor until next year.
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So what do you have inside your M1330? A Samsung?
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I have the 3 SSDs which I have been switching off to test. I have the 32GB Sandisk (original shipped), Samsung 64GB (recently provided) and the Mtron Mobi 32GB. I keep the Mtron inside my system for normal use. Like the feel of it.
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OK...how much you paid for those? I wouldn't buy a SSD just because it's small & pricey.
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I haven't paid for any as they are part of the review process and no... I don't get to keep the Mtron for free.
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Seeing how the SSD:s (excluding Mtron) have poor write performance in regards to small random writes, I am guessing that they might have even worse "torrent" performance the my mechnical HD. -
Again, great information. Do you have any information about the combo drives being offered by Dell? I have a M1730 coming with the 64GB SSD and 200GB 7200rpm combo drive. It may be a stupid question, but are they connected in some way? Can they be partioned like regular hard drives?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Im sure they can be partitioned in any way you choose. they are not connected to say that they could perform as a RAID system I believe. I am also pretty confident your OS would be on the SSD.
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If the OS is on the SSD, that should cut my boot time considerably. Is there a benefit to having anything else on the SSD?
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Although I havent got your situation, I would have to say yes to that. You have to remember, the diff between your SSD and the hard drive is .2MS access time compared to 14-15ms access time for the hd. This is very noticeable.
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Thanks again Flamenko! I have learned a lot from your threads. I am anxious to get this new rig and look forward to using your tweaks for Vista and see the difference of these SSD drives for myself.
I have not been able to find out near as much information as what you have provided. Thanks! -
planet_vikram Notebook Evangelist
Great article !! keep it up !!
My poor Seagate HD is faaaaaaaaaaar behind
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Sandisk= 3-450 (ebay)
Samsunk= 9-1000 (in a new system only)
Mtron= 1299-1499 (Dvnation/Rocketdisk)
I am trying to work out a deal right now for 650 for the mtron 32G but its not as easy to do as first thought. -
Shock resistance? These are solid states drives, they will have the same sort of shock resistance any flash media will have. Just look at iPods, the hard disk based ones fail all the time (moving parts) while the flash based ones seem to keep going for ever and ever..
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Check out this video which compares boot time of SSD vs Mechanical HD.
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As far as I can understand the 3000 Mobi offers the same performance as the previous 6000-series but is encased in plastic instead of aluminum. -
I would be very interested how SSD affects to battery life compared to traditional HDD.
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In my first review I compared my M1330 to my M1210 with respect to battery life. There is a difference. As I havent run the same test in my M1330 with both the HD and SSD, I cant give you exact numbers but...
The difference in the first article was significant.
There are no moving parts in a SSD which means a considerably less drain on the battery especially when the two are side by side and being used at max I/O. Further, the heat is significantly less in a SSD which cuts down on fan use. I, as well as others here who have SSD, have pointed out that on normal power (w/ no ext monitor plugged in), the fan is virtually never in use and the system runs very cool.
The link to my first article with the tests is here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2401556
In side by side testing the M1210 lasted 3.5 hours while the M1330 went until just under 5 hours. These were tests, as described in the article, which would mimic real life situations and not just leaving them on and sitting there. I easily get 5 plus hours on normal every day surfing with my M1330. I never even came close with the M1210. -
Unbelieveble results...
Well,let's just hope that prices will go down soon, I want one! -
New industry low price for the top tested SSD on the market here:
http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1188
$739 but apparently they may cut the price by close to a hundred on purchases of 10 or more. -
Gentlemen, we have a contender.
Memoright has taken the top spot at DVNation for SSD. http://www.dvnation.com/nand-flash-ssd.html
32 Gigs for $1299 100MB write/100+read
A price war is coming and soon I shall have one! Or two! -
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Flamenko, did you compare heat and energy consumption of the MOBI? The tom's hardware review said MOBIs use as much energy as hard drives, if not a little more. What about heat?
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Thanks for posting that article and I will read it later. Thats the one I was asked to write for Toms and came very close to doing (right Andrew??). I elected to stay for much less because of the support here. Im glad I did.
With respect to heat, I had previously stated in reviews that I find the SSD to produce far less heat which is evident in the barely noticeable fan use ever. In fact, the only time the fan comes on is when my external 22" is plugged in via HDMI.
With respect to energy consumption, I can't comment on this as I am unable to run these tests.
In my opinion, and its laymen, there is no way a SSD can come close to the energy consumption of a SSD simply because their is no moving parts.
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Is there any info on future releases of 1.8" SSD's?
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Yeah, Im interested in 1,8" SSD also, since most subnotebooks and ultramobile pcs use this format. The 1.8" drives are terribly slow, so its really a great benefit, switching to a ssd.
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I've been running Fedora 8 on a 16GB MOBI in my Thinkpad X61s for a little over a week now. I agree with flamenko's review. I'm lovin' it.
RocketDisk now has their web store running. Their prices are lower than dvnation and neostore: $379.99 for 16GB and $699.99 for 32GB MOBIS. -
Is it just me or are the scores of the Samsung 64GB SSD not significantly better than that of the Seagate HD? Based on these numbers alone, I would reckon that it wouldn't be worth getting the SSD for a Dell M1530.
Are there other aspects that these scores don't capture?
My main concern is that my computers slow waaaaay down after a couple of years. The hard drive is being accessed all the time. I have a background Defrag program running, but I could probably use more RAM.
I'm wondering if an SSD can help prevent this computer slowdown over time - or is that just a lovely feature of Windows? -
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What a difference a year makes! The new MOBI 3500 series is faster, cheaper. 100MB/sec read & write, still SLC.
64GB - $389 (supposedly to start shipping this week)
32GB - $239 (shipping now)
16GB - $139 (shipping now)
I ordered the 16GB one to put in a Linux-based router (upgrading an old Samsung 4GB SSD) and a 32GB to put in a Samsung NC10 netbook. They should get here before the end of the week.
I paid about $120 for the Samsung 4GB SSD about 18 months ago. In that time, >4X faster, 4X capacity increase. Not bad! Maybe in another 18 months we'll have 400MB/sec 256MB SLC SSD's for $400. -
JonnyRocketDisk Company Representative
Yep the past 12 months has certainly seen some amazing advances!!
Mtron's MOBI 3500 Series (rocketdisk.com/index.php?cPath=14) is leading the way right now as the consumer SSD of choice.
The performance is excellent at 100 MB/s Sustained Read & Write, and 0.1 Milliseconds Random Access Time. 3 Year Manufacturers Warranty is standard on all Mtron MOBI SSDs.
SLC is still the way forward for reliability & stability, & there is great value at the prices that Bicster mentioned above. -
Jonny, what's the story with the continued delays of the 64GB 3500? I see your site now says mid-December.
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JonnyRocketDisk Company Representative
Hi Bicster,
Mtron are very strict on QA (Quality Assurance) & they won't release products until everything is perfect for mass-production. This explains the extremely low defective rate & the performance being as stated in the specs, across the whole Mtron product range.
I will keep everybody updated as we hear more & get a confirmed shipping date. It is close.....................just some final touches & tweaks
SSD Performance Comparison and a Review of Mtron's Mobi 3000 "World's Fastest" Drive
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