Next-Gen Nvidia ION Coming Next Year

Next-Gen Nvidia ION Coming Next Year

Nvidia is planning to launch its next-generation ION netbook platform next year. The ION platform consists of an Nvidia graphics chip that allows for high-resolution 1080p video playback and an Intel Atom processor.
The new ION chips are in production now and will appear in the first half of next year.

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Unfortunately it is not working with Pinetrail

 

It will work with Pinetrail Atoms. ION 2 isn't a chipset+IGP like the current ION but is being reported as a kind of discrete GPU (my guess is it'll use shared memory) that will work along Intel on-die integrated graphics.

 

Fudzilla has a report saying that Pinetrail and ION2 wont work... http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16887/1/

 

Read the subtitle under the Nvidia logo in that Fud article.

 

Whoops...FAIL...didnt notice that...man, this was my lucky day but not my cleverest ever...sorry

 

What does ION offer that the Intel GMA500 does not (simultaneous decoding of two 1080p streams, 3D rendering, and DirectX 10.1 within a 2.3W TDP)?

 

Much superior graphics, better performance, faster performance, real 3D support, Win7 full support, Aero support, BD and HD capabilities, HDMI, faster processing.

An ION is the same IGP as the MBP13.

 

Bad part about being a discrete chip is it means extra cost, extra heat, and lower battery life.

It's delayed launch will also put ION 2 netbooks on sale at around the same time 45nm Neo gets launched...which should cost Nvidia some sales as the AMD platform with ATI IGP should be cheaper.

 

Not to mention comparable if not better.

 

Depends on if AMD comes up with a brand new ATI IGP or not.

If they just go with the HD4200:

ION 2 will have a better GPU but 45nm Neo will have a much better CPU.

ION 2 with an Intel CULV will have a better GPU and comparable CPU but 45nm Neo will be less expensive and have better battery life.

 

So, your saying with the Neo cpu that we could see the 6-10 hours CULV go from get, depending on which brand you look at, to even more? Because, right now from what I have seen the CULV DM3 gets like 9 hours(intel gpu), the SP model gets 7-8(with 105m) and the AMD model gets 6-7 hours. I can't really see CULV with ION 2 having less battery life vs what AMD plans to offer based on current models on the market.

BTW, maybe I skipped through it, but which nvidia gpu is ION 2 going off of. GT210m or something else?

 

ION 2 has been reported as double the shaders of the current ION giving it 32 and putting it between the GT 210 and the GT 220. Just as a guess ION 2 could end up being a die shrunk GT 120 GPU (9500 GT) without the dedicated memory.

Even though ION 2 will be a die shrink it's going to have the same power draw as the original ION/9400M but that will be on top of what power the Intel CULV and it's chipset will draw. That's what will likely give it a shorter battery life than the 45nm Neo platform.

Intel CULV notebooks without the ION 2 could still have better battery life than the 45nm Neo notebooks but the AMD platform may offer faster clocks/performance, and will definitely offer a better IGP than the GMA4500.

 

Um, nobody's disputing that Ion is vastly superior to the GMA 500. But what's the point of all that power? So that it can be bottlenecked by the Atom?

Not to mention that Ion consumes way more power than the GMA 500, cutting into battery life which is a major selling point for netbooks to begin with. So again, what's the point of Ion? It's not like you can game acceptably with an Atom+Ion combination anyway, and 1080p video is easily handled by the GMA500+Atom Z-series.

Atom+Ion is actually a terrible combination IMO - the Atom bottlenecks all the strengths of the better GPU, while suffering from the increased power consumption. Yes, it'll be able to handle HD video with ease, but again, the GMA 500 already can and on a chipset with a much smaller TDP.

And its not like it hasn't been done before. Remember the Asus N10 netbook? I don't understand this hype about the Ion.

 

CES 2010 is coming up soon(JAN 7-10 ) so expect to see some new stuff announced from both Nvidia and AMD.

 

I dunno, if this is going to perform better(gpu wise) than or equal to the CULV and the nvidia GT210 combo you see in the Asus ULx0VT I can see a point. But, otherwise ION 2 I don't really see a point as you can just offer how Asus and many fuller size notebooks do it(nvidia based gpu + intel 4500hd when power saving is needed) and you can still get solid battery life. Again I use Asus again as their ULx0VT line offer close to 10 hours of battery life with combo gpu unit.

 

Even if the Intel GMA 500 can do all that its crippeled by bad drivers and poor linux support on some distros.
But other than that its a pretty good, but the included Atom Z is just too slow for average use unless you do that overclocking that Asus includes.

But i cant wait for AMD Turion II Neo + ATI Mobility HD 4200 (or a 5000 based one if where lucky) to get released.
The 65nm dual core cpus they offer now are just to hot compared to Atoms, even if they are faster.

 

I'm primarily concerned about the sub-12" market that can't house a discrete card....or at least in the ION 2's case not a full discrete card.


A larger laptop that can house an Intel CULV and chipset with a full Nvidia discrete card would also be able to house an AMD Neo and chipset with an ATI discrete card. The AMD will give you on the fly switchable graphics without a restart and depending on the chipset possible Hybrid CrossfireX for boosted GPU performance.

 

I simply replied...no need to flame me lol...I dont like Atom either. But the GPU is far superior, and IF NVIDIA manages the ION to be GPGPU and you use softwares that can run on CUDA it would be a lot better...still, I would rather have a CULV than an Atom

 

Sorry, wasn't my intention to flame.

 

If it is priced under that of CULV notebooks it is good for those that require a bit more power from a netbook and there are people like that out there. It is also good for those that want to do light gaming. A core duo atom although is by no means brilliant is good enough for many users.

The Vaio P and X that use the higher ghz Z series processors cannot handle Aero. They are ok for very basic things and it works for some people as they buy it for the battery life. Lets see what 10.1 brings.

 

I would agree about the sub-12in market as there is only a 2-4 older devices that I can think of with a non-Atom cpu and gpu that isn't intel based either.

If someone is buying the Vaio P for its battery life, they must not have a high requirement for battery life.

 

I meant netbooks like the X really where battery life is concerned. The P has basically the same specs and performance but is more of a UMPC device. It faces though the same limitations performance wise that the X does and other such netbooks do.

 

Pity ... but I suppose folks can always opt for the intel 4500 if battery life is their main concern....

 

I really hope to see some sort of CULV + ION at CES

 

It would actually be CULV+ION 2.