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    NVIDIA GeForce 8M Notebook Graphics Card Series Released

    Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by Charles P. Jefferies, May 11, 2007.

  1. kosh

    kosh Notebook Consultant

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    Mean that the card has 256 MB only and in more memory is needed the cars "stole" it from the computer RAM (that BTW is slower and cheaper RAM than graphics card RAM)
     
  2. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    The Go7900GS is a far superior card if you plan to game but the trade-off is that you have to get a 17" notebook. The 8400M-GT should be more than enough for gaming, it looks like a very powerful card although I haven't seen any actual game benchmarks for it (3DMark doesn't count).

    "256MB dedicated" means that the video card has 256MB of memory on it for its own use - video memory is used to store textures and other game information.
     
  3. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    hey with TurboCache is the RAM taken from your memory permanently allocated to your graphics card? Or only when you're using graphically-intense applications?
     
  4. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    The graphics card will take memory as it needs it, up to a certain amount. If your video card is 256MB total video memory and it has 128MB of dedicated memory, that means it can share up to 128MB of memory.
     
  5. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    So if I have 2GB of RAM and my card supports up to 512MB it'll just take 512MB whenever it needs it? But when it doesn't need it it'll be like I have 2GB?
     
  6. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    Yes, essentially.
     
  7. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    ok that's pretty cool. As long as I actually get my 2GB. I really hope the 8400M can handle medium settings on Crysis w/ the cool physics
     
  8. Gautam

    Gautam election 2008 NBR Reviewer

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    Why is the GeForce 8400M being compared to the GeForce 7900? Its an apples-oranges comparision. You'd have to compare comparable 'refreshes' like the GeForce 7400 to the 8400, or 8900 (??? existing??) to the 7900.
     
  9. Berek Halfhand

    Berek Halfhand Notebook Guru

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    If you've read the post its not a comparison :p. It's a reference.
     
  10. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    The 8600M GT should provide the best gaming available on a 15.4" or smaller displayed notebook when it is available shortly. That is what I would hold out for if you want the best gaming notebook at 15.4" or less. It still won't be as fast as 7950GTX, but should be faster than 7900GS, both of which are only available on 17" screens, so this is a huge plus in my opinion. Then add bettew power efficiency, HD decoding, these cards sound like they are very worth waiting for if nVidia can live up to their word.
     
  11. mujtaba

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    Though the later versions of the C90 might be an exception to this rule.
     
  12. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    yeah the later C90 isn't supposed to be as powerful as the C90 that's soon to be available so get em while they're out!
     
  13. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    I don't think that this is necessarily a reasonable statement for the simple fact that the 8400M may be a refresh of the 7400M but it's power could be more comparable to the 7600. So I think your idea of comparing the 8400M to the 7400M is unreasonable. If the 8400M is substantially more powerful than the 7400M it would be ridiculous to just say that the 8400M is much more powerful than the 7400M; it would be more reasonable are clearer to the reader if you were to say that the 8400M is a dramatic improvement of the 7400M, its graphics power is more comparable to that of the previous 7900M. Otherwise, I understand what you're saying but for all practical purposes of mobile graphics comparisons it would just make more sense this way.

    Sorry if that sounded offensive I wasn't try to necessarily target you in particular if that happened in any way.
     
  14. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    Is it just me or did anyone else notice this on nVidia's website?
    "The GeForce 8M Series for enthusiast will be released in the summer of 2007!"
    So i guess there will be DX10 cards that are more powerful than the 8600M GT coming out this summer? Good thing for those Asus C90 users

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_m_series.html
     
  15. fore

    fore Notebook Consultant

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    between the 8600m-gt and the 7900 gs wich do you recommend for a gaming notebook that will last about 2.5 years
     
  16. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    I would pick the 8600M GT, but I would wait until they hit the market so you know for sure. I have "heard" that the 8600M GT will be faster, but I beleive that is speculation, and you should always wait for the card to be tested to know for sure. I doubt HardOCP.com will evaluate this hard, but if they do it's a great place to get an idea of how a card will be because they don't just tell you the FPS it gives you, they tell you what settings you can play a given game at which is what we really want to know.
     
  17. Berek Halfhand

    Berek Halfhand Notebook Guru

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    The 8600gt will be about the same... its a flip-flop situation depending on the application. Although the 7900gs does take the lead more often than not.

    I'm being conservative this year, going to buy a 7900gs from Dell, then do a much bigger notebook purchase next summer. I thought DX10 laptops would be ready this summer... not happening :(. Will be best to wait for them to mature anyway. A DX10 8600 is going to do too much in DX10 games ;P.
     
  18. Arabian

    Arabian Notebook Consultant

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    So what do you think nVidia would ship with coming Intel Penryn laptops?
     
  19. nukec

    nukec Notebook Consultant

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    sorry but i have to dissapoint all who thinks 8600M GT is in the same class as 7900GS.

    no this is not true..

    8400M GT is comparable to 7400, and 8600M GT to 7600... 8600 GTS is comparable to 7900GS..

    thank you in listening..
     
  20. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    Same class, agreed. 8600 GT is not marketed to same audience as 7900GS.

    Same performance? Nobody knows. Until someone tests it out, all is speculation. I do think it is *possible* that the 8600GT could perform as well as the 7900GS despite them being in a different "class", although unlikely (especially when you consider how overclockable the 7900GS is).

    To those using 3Dmark as a benchmark. Please have a look HardOCP's review of the ATI 2900 XT, particularly where they mention 3DMark Numbers Mean Squat. They show that 3dmark numbers are not a direct representation of how well a card will game.
     
  21. Keeperian

    Keeperian Notebook Geek

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    Why do u write this in every thred? In the tests that has been done so far the GF 8600GT gets a score +-3800p in 3dmark06. the GF 7900GS gets a score about +-4000p.
    If u don´t call such a small diff of 2-300 3dmark points the same league then what is? ^ ^
    Also think about that the GF 7900GS got pretty optimized drivers by now!
    The GF 8600GT doesn´t have ****! So I guess we have to wait and see if it outperformes the 7900GS! ;)
     
  22. lunateck

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    He should have look at the upcoming ATI HD 2600XT that would blast the 7900gs away (err.. maybe not..) take tat nukec...
     
  23. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT got 10723 in 3DMark06. When compared to GeForce 8800 GTS with a score of 9105, you'd think the gaming experience would be better, right? Wrong. Again, see this article. With that 3dmark score, it can't even keep up by being playable at 1600X1200 in STALKER, nor with shadow effects. Most of the other games showed that the card with the lower 3dmark scrore was able to stay ahead by being playable with higher AntiAliasing settings.

    And that also doesn't take into account the amount of power usage, which I think is a big factor for this 8M series (should use less than 7M series).

    Wait until the card is in the hands of someone who can do some real world testing. We'll see then if the 8600M GT can keep up with the 7900 GS, despite them being marketed to different audiences.
     
  24. lunateck

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    I ll see how the 7900gs can keep up with the 8series and the HD2 series when they use Crysis as benchmark.
     
  25. imMACulate

    imMACulate Notebook Evangelist

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    I agree. I could really give a **** about the 3DMark06/05/03 scores. I only care about it's real-world ability. If the card can handle Crysis/Unreal 3 the way I want to play it, then I don't care if it gets 2500 on 3DMark06
     
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