More Defective NVIDIA Graphics Chipsets

what do you guys think about my cousins compaq

she has the 6150 intregated card and the amd 1.9ghz turion and i noticed it was very hot and when i open everest it say the
gpu=98c
cpu=96c
hdd=57c

 

98C...that is enough to make any computer part fail.

 

heh, I've been noticing after my Asus warranty passed, my laptops idles around 75-80C...and when gaming it hits 100C...

WTF Nvidia! Way to go con millions of laptops buyers, you've lost a customer...

 

Nvidia would be the ultimate source for information, but they want to keep quiet.

I'm curious about something, if companies like Dell continued to sell notebooks with the defective cards and they knew about it, would people who purchased them in July & August be entitled to a new notebook (beyond the return period) ?

 

It doesn't matter how this goes down. The real losers will be you and I - the consumers.

When it's all done and the dust settled, we will be down to just one major player. ATI. Nvidia will take a financial blow and this will hurt the R&D.

As great as ATI is, they aren't exactly the white knight in shinny armor. Terrible driver supports and DirectX implementation have plague ATI for years.That's not going to change any time soon. AMD isn't exactly making a killing either so R&D isn't exactly going to move along at the pace Nvidia vs ATI was going since last year.

 

i was suprised to but since it wasnt my notebook i didnt do anything to it

but i did underclock the cpu and got it 10-15 degrees lower.

 

In the computer market, is not common that misleading information is published.

And even more on a massive market like laptop gpu's, like someone said, nvidia sold 30M gpu's.

This kind of information could break havoc on nvidia's stock, causing maybe hundreds of millions of dollars in looses.

And if it's false information they could sue the inquirer. And i don't think it will be a couple thousand dollars lawsuit.

It's well known the inquirer has got something against nvidia. Maybe they just had access to that information, and published it against nvidia's willing.

Now i'm wondering what will happen with another video cards. Some Centrino 2 notebooks are running pretty hot. And if there are some 9 series nvidia gpu's also in the failure list, that could change the notebook market.

As for ATI's, they haven't been releasing high performance notebook gpu's, i think they were just worried about the merge with AMD, and that interesting GPU+CPU chip.
Maybe ATI's and AMD's chips, aren't that efficient as Intel - Nvidia chips, but it is well known that they can handle and they do work in high temps better than Intel - Nvidia chips.

 

Sucks.

But at least I have my 3 year powerpro warranty.

 

Very normal I must say... those are the same reading I had with my Compaq V6000Z, when I updated the drivers the temps went a little bit down under idle, not much difference overall though...

I think the 6150 go is indeed a defective IGP but there's no much we can do right now...

 

Terrible drivers? Go and look at the forums and see how many people are having issues with nVidia drivers. I've seen many issues with buggy nVidia drivers. The ATi drivers for my laptop and desktop 9800XT have been perfect for every game I used them with. But with my old nVidia FX 5200 I couldn't even find a single driver that worked perfectly for every game (old games that the card is capable of playing), admittedly that's using old drivers so not very representative today. Also, the only card I have had fail was a nVidia card (old GeForce 4).

So their drivers may not be perfect, but I believe they're no worse than nVidia's.

 

nVidia definitely has issues with their drivers. BSODs all over (accounting for a majority of Vista BSODs no less), cannot even set a monitor to ROTATE 90 deg...gee, how hard is that to implement.

ATI can at least rotate a monitor screen 90 and have it render correctly and not impact frame rates like nVidia's drivers.

I don't like ATI either though...I just like nVidia less right now.

But my next GPU will be Intel (shudder!) or ATI. nVidia for me is done for a few generations.

 

What the!?

 

I wouldnt be surprised if(funny moment coming up) Intel had a small hand in these reports, just to damage Nvidia, and force them to play nice...LOL, I had a good laugh, how about you? Seriously though, i have overclocked my 9700M GTS from the start, and had temps up to 90 celcius, but after all the benchmarks, and stress tests (while leaving it on all week as a media server, for my friends and I, and it was heavily used, while heavily tested), tweaks, etc.... I can say that this card(while not power efficient) is a solid and admirable performer...as well, I am pleased to own it.... Dont be surprised if all this bad press about Nvidia turns out to be false after all....

 

Lucky for me that my HP has 3 year warranty.

 

Not to be rude, and while I won't say its right or wrong, but its the inquirer... That's like my sister telling me something is wrong with my truck cause she hears a funny noise...

 

You'd be surprised what the untrained eye or ear would catch that a skilled person misses. I see it happen all the time.

 

That's an excellent photoshop

 

I said it before- slander is the new black

 

how about the new york times?

http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_852573C4006938808825747A007A1944.html?ref=technology

but it doesn't say which chips.


anyways just ordered xps1530 - should i cancel?

 

Wow, Nvidia did it again, way to go.

It is hateful to read that Nvidia is just hiding behind a rock and pointing their finger at everyone but themselves, have not they realized that if the issues remain unsolved and they do not unveil the information about the issues (unless they are not playing sweep), their sales will decrease even more?, it sounds like if they were hiding a dirty and bad secret.

I wonder if I should worry about my cards if the max degrees they reach are 53 C while gaming, and idle at around 46 and 48 Celsius, this, with my NP9262's fans at full all the time, and central cooling on, oh, and it is about 90 F outside.

 

OK, noob question here:

What are the signs/symptoms of a defective Nvidia graphics chipset? How would you notice it?

 

inquirer= many massive grains of salt, till proven reports from more legit sources come up, I personally put no stock in the claim.

 

That is hardly a professional article by the Inquirer. Probably wait until some more reliable source reports the problem.

 

"We just got our first casualty from the Nvidia mobile graphics [expletive deleted]. Laptop used by one of our senior engineers started acting up this past weekend. Won't boot except in SAFE mode. Called Dell, they tried a few things, gave up, stated it was the graphics module, and said that because they were SO swamped dealing with that issue, they were just going to send a completely new laptop!"

I'm sorry, how does this confirm anything written in the 'article'?

 

the problem with ATI is that they dont have many high end gaming cards.... they only have the 3870 which is leagues behind say the 9800GTX. The mainstream card is the HD 3650 which is not suffice for my needs

i hope nvidia deal with these issues, i was so excited about the elitebook with the 3700 Quadro!

 

Hi Greg ... I am with you on this one ... Intel X4500 or ATI card ... at least I can play a game at medium and less chance of over-heated GPU taking also my MOBO down.

The problem as I see it is if NVIDIA just come out and say what the heck is wrong and which batch is messed up and be done with it.

I have actually changed my mind about buying a laptop that has NVIDIA card in it ... I don't care if it 9600M GT or 9800M GT or whatever ...

G!

 

Theres no way to find out if your gpu is defective till its too late.

Reliability of our notebooks just went down. Not to mention re-sale value aswell. No one will risk buying a possibly defective notebook.

Nvidia really needs to come clean with this and end this madness.

 

Yeah, I wanted to sell my 8800GT at some point in order to upgrade.

Guess what...

No one is going to buy it at a fair price now!

Any nVidia equipped laptop, any nVidia desktop card. ANYTHING from them is suspect now, and their silence is not helping!

 

Well considering it took this long for anyone to really sit up & notice the 6 & 7-series chipset problems besides HP, the silence now over 8-series issues are of little surprise.......

 

Or you could go with Matrox. No idea really on how they compare with ATI or nVIDIA, but given the price I'd hazard a guess they're better than the original Parhelia. And you get quad-monitor support on some of them. Who knows, if enough people go Matrox because of this, they might just get back in competition.

Though what I see as more likely is people going to ATI, ATI getting lots of money, and those profits helping AMD get its processors more competitive with Intel's. Not helping graphics exactly, but at least helping processors.

But this certainly isn't good news. As to nVIDIA making it all right as in another post in this thread, I don't know if they can financially, and it certainly doesn't look like they're trying to right now. Though they probably are hard at work fixing the flaw in their research labs.

Of course this still is just one flaw. There's 119 flaws and counting in the Core 2 Duo, and while this one is more serious than most, it's not reasonable to expect there to be no flaws whatsoever in a processor/video card, etc. So I'm not going to make any long-term judgements based on what's happened so far. If a year or two down the road this turns out to have been a really big deal, then possibly, but right now the facts and statistics are still a bit fuzzy.

 

i have the 7300LE on my desktop and the 6100 on the laptop. haven't had a problem with those

I was really looking at buying a sager NP2092 but now i am reconsidering because of all this stuff about the nvidia cards.

what should i do!!

 

Is there any evidence as to whether the GeForce 8700m GT is affected?

Is it unknown, or in the clear?

 

wow, they just dont make em like they used to my ancient Go6600 is still performing perfectly....i mean it hasnt died or anything

 

The truth is, there is no proof which cards are defective or if they are even are defective at all.

Thanks to Nvidias clever way of announcing news, they pretty much announced NOTHING, other than theres a problem and its going to cost $200M to fix it.

Inquirer has been a great source of news in the past. They have no source for this whole issue because THERE IS NO SOURCE.

I wouldnt be suprised if part of their articles are incorrect but their speculations is rational and does make sense.

 

My NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 is still humming along It only needs its heatsink to stay cool.

 

Agreed with above 2:

I have desktops with a mx 420 and a 6800 GS, both work fine.

The laptop, on the other hand.....

 

Regardless if it is one flaw or 999, a non-functional GPU is a horrible thing to deal with, if you can deal with it at all. I'm typing this post on a display that is flashing black and white lines, that will only be functional intermittantly at bootup, contains strange artifact, and is more or less entirely garbled. I would call this a significant enough problem to make me consider purchasing another company's products in the future, especially with the slow trickle of consistently negative nvidia press. My GPU is the 7800, which is totally old (as I'm sure you know), and to think that they have been passing off a defective product through their 9___ series is unbelievable. I don't want to be a sucker! This is why I am more than dying to leap to ATI... as soon as they offer something better than the 3650 in mainstream notebooks.

 

The defect probably mean it dies prematurely. Just because your pinto hasn't fallen apart in the first year doesn't mean it not going to very soon.

 

I havent read the entire post..but this comment should apply.

I'm not a professional.. however I am an aspiring amatuer. But with the video card issue that's been recently publicized.. it's a matter of video cards running hot and not lasting their expected lifespan. If you just think about it.. this is an issue that affects anyone and everyone. Whether it's an OC'd card and hardcore gamer, or your average every day Joe, your card is affected. Well, the common solution by vendors is to have the cooling system run more often. Whether this is an effective resolution or not I don't know..makes sense though. However, what I do know is the people who are avid gamers, the ones who are buying for performance, the people who are tech savvy(am or pro), and especially OC'ers typically know/learn more about their rigs(by choice or accident).. And this is to their benefit. Even if they've never had a problem they're warranty is now extended..they have ammo for any issues that may need resolution. Those average, anywho users are the ones sacrificing.. they don't know anything about updating BIOSs, their monitor goes out, and then their curious as to the problem. Which of the 2 are more aware, and look to prevent the issue?

Here's my opinion, a stock card is not going to run too hot for 3 months and burn out. These are cards that have been on the market for quite some time. They've BEEN running hot, and now the big vendors are stepping up and pointing fingers. Is this truly NVIDIAs fault? Or is it the manufacturers who don't want to have to put out a ton of $$$ to repair THEIR computers, cause their cooling solutions lacked? HP extended warranties on numerous models 2 years ago, because the WIFI was having issues and the MOBOs would burn out(now they admit it was the GPU causing problems).. The WIFI issues were caused by the MOBO overheating, because of lack of ventilation. The GPU is likely the hottest component inside a laptop, and if there is not proper cooling then the GPU will ruin other components. So, it's easy to point the finger at NVIDIA when the fact is..You should test your OWN laptops before mass production, and before placing blame on the company who provides a WORKING part that YOUR product is incompatible with.

Long post short.. if you're already aware you can prevent problems..if not then it becomes a problem. From user, to manufacturer the rule applies with same results. For us it *may* be an inconvenience, for them it's an expense. But if we users are diligent, and the manufacturer attemps to prevent, then there won't be any major issues. But then again, life is a risk from the time you awake.

 

consume more power = run hotter

the HD 2600 in my M-152XL runs a lot cooler then the 8600M GT in M1530s. Atleast by 5-10C

 

let me guess, your havent taken a college business or math course? have you heard of the standard deviation? companies use this standard deviation to guage the typical lifespan of products. since hp is just a system integrator, meaning they just assemble parts from different company(actually they dont even do that, they let their chinese partners do it), theres no way for hp to measure gpu lifespand other than go by the numbers nvidia publishes. so lets say nvidia claims their gpu can last 5 years if below 85c, but turns out, their numbers are way off and the gups only last 1-2 years, guess whos fault it is? similarly imagine assembling a desktop and reading intel docs that says to keep the cpu under 60c. you do, but it turns out your suppose to keep the cpu under 50c. whos responsible here?


btw im joining in the discussion because i know someone who has one of these defective nvidia chips. turns out even the integrated geforce 6150 has symptons of early failure. so im going to believe the inquirer here in saying there are more than just the 8400/8600 being affected.

funny how my tx2500 which uses ati chips has the option "fan always on" enabled by default. is this problem even effecting ati? who knows but this is probably my last hp laptop.

 

So let me get this correctly,

Inquirer, a source that has a bias against Nvidia in general, claims that all the newer nvidia cards are defective as well?

Okay, i will believe it when a reliable source claims the same thing. Say maybe Anandtech or even Hardocp. You know, an actual technical blog/news/review sites that most people trust!

 

One word. ATI.

 

Are people really believing this bull****? Since when has the inquirer ever been a reliable and honest news source? Are people forgetting that it was Nvidia that admitted the other two cores were defective to begin with? THAT is why people - or at least people like myself - believed it was true.

Look at the comments.. now people are claiming the 7000 series were defective. Mass hysteria much?

People who think this is true based on one report - of yellow journalist - needs to have their heads examined.

 

Its just your typical pot stirring/kicking the green machine while its already down, it'll pass soon enough, this may sway a few potential buyers, but wont really matter much in the long run.

 

I really don't think you've met my sister lol =p

Jokes aside, while this could be possible, not saying it's not, it is one of those thing, I will wait and see till I can check it out myself kinda thing.

I can see the G84, 86 Cause i believe I have a "defective" GPU as I can no longer game at all without a cooling pad or else face shutdown shortly afterwards.

 

If you are referring to me, I meant the 6 & 7-series nforce chipsets. They both have been issued BIOS updates by HP to make the fan algorithms more agressive to deter motherboard failure due to overheating, discrete gpu or not.

Mass hysteria? I would have to agree, as no one appeared to give a flying spit about this until nvidia finally acknowledged that there was issues with certain 8-series gpus and Dell came up with the brilliant BIOS fix to accelerate fan control. Gee, where have I heard that before?

Where was everybody a year ago when HP was crying foul?? Funny, it wasn't as newsworthy then. Must be a coincidence........

 

Now I love ATI and all, but seriously, nobody should EVER be jumping on Inquirer published data until an actual, credible source confirms it.

And Dear God, Greg. Who pumped you full of stimulants and sent you on a FUD rampage? You seem even more angry and malignantly cynical than usual, and that's saying a lot!

While you are all at it running around with your heads cut off, you might as well hop into your fallout shelters because Georgia's gone down and Russia has got their nukes pointed at us.

The only reason this article interests me is the possible Bootcamp GPU driver update Apple MAY release in response. I'd love to get some of those PhysX/CUDA activated drivers straight from them. I like lv2g's drivers, but they disable all of the power saving features on my notebook. More likely they'll just jack up the fan speeds for Bootcamp users.

Good thing I got a warranty, but until I actually have the GPU fail, Inquirer can suck it down. All of my mobile GPUs have eventually failed (and they were ATI, too). In my mind mobile GPUs have a built in life span of 2 years anyway.

I feel bad for Nvidia though, way to kick a horse when it's down. If any of this turns out to be false, I'd be suing for millions in damages. You can bet Nvidia will lose even more mobile business.

 

Evidentally you didnt grasp the concept of my post, maybe you missed english lit 101? My point isn't that the MFR should benchmark each component, and really..it doesn't matter who assembles them, as your excuse/reasoning attempts to explain. If it has your logo and brand on it, it's your responsibility, not the person who bolted it together. Hence, trademarking. My point is, HP in particular(I know because I've got one with the supposed "defective GPU") has and is aware they've had internal heat issues. It has been blamed on faulty WIFI and internal heating..and now they FINALLY mention GPU. It was always the GPU, which happens to overheat the WIFI, which is because of bad air circulation, which is why the new BIOS adjusted Fan settings. Maybe you're one of those ingnorant folks who believe propaganda.. I tend to think for myself.

HP Admits Issues and Provides Resolve:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01087277&lc=en&cc=us

HP online assistance pics below.. educate yourself. My dv9700 is not available for "warranty service enhancement" yet. but..

 

No need for personal attacks here. I can see this getting out of hand real quick. I am really surprised though that this made front page news on here, I personally think it way too early for that especially given the source. All this can really amount to is a small scale panic and flame bait.