Intel Touts 45nm Process and Power Saving Technologies Coming in 2007 Discussion

Intel today announced that the first of its 45nm processor products codenamed "Penryn" are on track for debuting in the second half of 2007. Intel also unveiled the fact it will be using two new types of materials in these processors for the insulating walls and switching gates -- Silicon Dioxide will no longer be used in the transistor gate as it has for the past 40-years.

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So here we have it folks.. the waiting game never ends.

 

Just noticed ?

Santa Rosa is going to be 45nm, or is that just what I am thinking?

 

Very exciting news, indeed. I'm looking forward to having a Penryn processor even more so now. When I buy my next notebook, that is... .

 

Intel has completely shut AMD down in like every aspect =/

or they just got a much better marketing team who knows.

 

Is Intel the new Microsoft?

Just wondering.

 

This news certainly makes those of us buying a notebook in the next month slow down and wonder.

 

Santa Rosa is still 65 nm. Montevina, the next mobile platform, being released early next year, will have 45 nm processors.

Can't wait to get a Penryn-based desktop at the end of the year

 

FREN is correct here, this technology from Intel is due for 2007, but as is typical, notebooks and other mobile products will be behind by about 6 months so 2008 is when we'll see this advantage move to notebooks.

 

I want one! Thats really sweet though. The ability to make products cooler and more powerful...its really cool stuff.

 

True for now, but I believe that this year, that will change. As the holiday sales of notebooks vs desktops has shown, consumers don't really want a lumbering desktop as their primary computer anymore and are out looking for the perfect notebook. Manufacturers have caught on and therefore will focus their attention on capturing a bigger chunk of or keeping their current market share in the exploding notebook market. This will undoubtedly result in shorter notebook model refresh cycles and newer technologies (like this 45nm process) being implemented more quickly for the growing demands.

 

By by AMD... Hello Intel. Errrr I was hopping there would be some competition, this is not good. Come on AMD, ketch up.

 

This news actually reminds me of a thought I was having recently.
Currently, I am in the market for a new lappy. Mine died a couple of weeks ago and I can simply not go through the withdrawl of waiting until Christmas.

Price, as usual, is an issue however.
One thing that I was considering was maybe opting for a lesser CPU right now..(like a Core Duo)..and..as the price drops, stepping up to a Core 2 Duo.
What I mean is not actually buying a new laptop but simply changing the CPU out in the current one.

I notice that many of these lappys offer Core Duo and Core 2 Duo options and even Quad Core options. I was curious if these notebooks use the same motherboard and simply just put a different CPU in them.

Now..with the news from Intel..I am wondering if may be possible to step up to one of these latest CPU's.
I realize that it may be to early to know anything about the mount of these new CPU's. I am curious to hear some thoughts on this though.

 

i agree. this has already happened; with core duo being implemented in notebook first while its still pentium 4 in desktop land

btw, the thing that gets me worried is that eventhough the cpu power consumption and heat management is getting even better and better; we cant say the same thing about the GPU.

next year is also an exciting time; windows vista SP1 is out; the next wifi standard is supposedly delayed till next year also; LED being used for screen!!! for better power consumption and screen quality!.

ahhh the waiting game; when will it end

 

There are no notebooks with Quad cores in them yet.

 

You would actually end up spending more money overall by doing it this way. If you opt for a Core Duo system to save money (and the price difference shouldn't be much by now), it doesn't make sense to spend $200-300 for a marginally better processor. If you really want a Core 2 Duo, just get it from the start. They never should have been priced higher than their Core Duo counterparts in the first place. Some manufacturers decided to do so, however.

Quad Core processors are currently only available in desktops. The currently available Core Duo and Core 2 Duo processors are somewhat compatible and interchangeable. Some systems will require a BIOS upgrade to handle the switch to a Core 2 Duo. The next generation of Core 2 Duo processors, however, will not be compatible with the Intel 945G chipset. You will need the Intel 965G chipset to handle the newer Meroms.

Unfortunately, never .

 

There's always something to look forward to in the tech-world.

 

Guys is Penryn going to be a quad core notebook?

Thanks!

 

I think I will wait for the day when that Moor's Law breaks and then will buy an expensive (~$1800 CDN ) notebook . For now i will buy a cheaper notebook with 2G ram and a fairly ok cpu and and lots of ports n stuff. Will have to check ebay, craigsbiglist, dfsindirect, etc sites.

 

alright so i have a question!

I'm planning on switching to a mac...I'm looking at the mac book right now..Problem is intel has just announced this chip... Would it be worth it to wait until its released and apple starts putting it in there comps? What are the real benefits that i will be getting from it ? Any and all info that you could give me would be much appreciated

 

Ok...this chip "technology" will most likely not be in notebooks until at least this holiday season, so unless you want to wait a year its probably not worth it (as once one year passes, something else that is probably far more amazing will be just beyond the horizon). On the other hand, you should probably wait a few months for the new Santa Rosa mobile platform just around the corner, which will increase fsb speeds to 800MHz, improve battery life, and generally improve the Core 2 Duo Merom's performance. I'm guessing of course that this new Centrino standard will go into Macs as well.

 

well the waiting game never ends but
the flow is different sometimes
like when p-m was first released, or when core 2 duo became the same price as core duo
imo, if i need a laptop right now, i would buy one
if i need one some time this year, i would wait a bit til santa rosa comes out and get a core 2 duo
if i'm not really in a hurry, i would wait for things to run comfortably cool with at least 5-6+ hrs of battery life from taking notes with decent screen brightness, WITHOUT having a huge 2lb battery
i don't care how small things get or how fast things get
my concern is the battery life and the weight
the rest just gets better and better too quickly anyways

 

I guess I will keep using my 100$ IBM 390e with the upgraded p3 500Mhz and the 512 ram for another year lol

I hope someday they will make a laptop with high performance that can stay on battery for 24+ hour!

 

The new Lithogaphy Techniques are very impressive. Intel Continues to dominate the CPU Market

I think Mark Bohr deserves a nobel prize...

There is a interesting Presentation by Mark Bohr here, comparing the 65nm and 45nm manafacturing process.

http://download.intel.com/technology/silicon/Press_45nm_106.pdf

 

That's exactly why I don't see the need of buying highend gaming laptops anymore. At first you're proud about getting such a hardcore system; a few months (unlike 1.5 years during the days of the Pentium-M) later newer tech comes along that puts your laptop to shame. Guess what? You're no longer the top of the curve and you can't do anything about it other than getting a brand new laptop. Upgrades? Sorry pal, you're out of luck. Really, what's the point? Less than $1500 for sure, but anything more it's just a darn ripoff.

 

Well, if Intel continues inside it's own turf(CPUs, and i wouldnt mind if they go into dedicated GPU department), they will never be a new Microsoft unless 1 day, they decide to release Intel WinOS Pro.

What i want about the new 45nm, my core 3 duo can last for 4 hours or more on a 6 cell.

 

No.

Gilo, however, is suspected to be Quad Core for notebooks. It should be out by the end of this year/early next year.

 

I'm very very confused right now. So Santa Rosa is a chipset and that it will be released sometime in April. And that Penryn, the next gen processor for laptops is coming out sometime in 2008. And now we have the x7800 and the t7800 coming out in Q3 2007 with a huge premium. I'm lost here.

Because the most I could wait for new laptop is till the end of August. So I should be able to get the Santa Rosa chipset plus a next gen core 2 duo(does it exist?). And that if I can afford it plus the electrical system allows, I could just put the penryn inside my laptop. Or did I miss something here?

 

Yeah, you most likely will be able to get Santa Rosa by August.

As for the next generation Core 2 Duos, there will be a chip revision with Santa Rosa that will bump the FSB speed up to 800Mhz. The next true generation of Core 2 Duos will be Penryn.

As for installing Penryn in a Santa Rosa-based notebook, it could be possible, however, it's very possible that the socket will change between April 2007 and the beginning of 2008, so it may not be possible.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

If u wait for Penryn, there will be a big possibility that only until next year, u ll get the chip, that's another 6months more after santa rosa. So just get it when u need it by then. Santa Rosa alone is a huge update itself, u wont lose out on just a Penryn chip.

Edit: U do not really get power saving out of a cpu, mayb not tat much.For power saving laptops, go for LED lighted screens(30+min more, rumored). And other stuff. Intel said it will maintain the 35W thing, so u probably get a core clock bump rather than a huge power save.

 

Actually, I think the TDW for Penryn will be 32W, down from 35W for Merom.

So, a small change, but it'll save some battery none-the-less.

 

I was reading about penryn on wiki and they mentioned something about it introducing SSE4? To my understanding it contains new rules for the processor, so how would that affect software? In other words, after this comes out will software that take advantage of these new rules not be usable on SSSE3 processors?

If thats the case then hell I'm gonna wait till penryn

 

Battery life and weight, amen to that brother. It's all that matters.