Intel Pineview netbook platform coming 2H '09

Intel Pineview netbook platform coming 2H '09

A DigiTimes report alleges Intel will introduce its next-generation netbook platform, Pineview, in the second half of this year. Versions of the platform with a single-core processor will target netbooks, and dual-core versions will target nettops.

The Pineview platform will have an integrated CPU and Northbridge design, reducing the space taken up by both 60% to 773mm^2. Pineview will be built on a 45nm process, and will come with faster processors and 667MHz DDR2 memory instead of 533MHz. The platform's maximum TDP will drop from 8W to 7W; average power consumption is said to be only 2W. The graphics core will remain the Intel GMA 950.

Full Story (DigiTimes.com)

 

Doesnt reallly sound like a major major upgrade..

 

The big question is will this screw over the Nvidia Ion platform?

 

It actually is; the size of the components just got 60% smaller and netbooks based on the Pineview platform can be fanless.

I'm not sure how Pineview will affect prices.

 

Looks like the new 10" Acer Aspire One will be initially released with an N270 but get refreshed to an N280 after that chip hits the market.

http://translate.google.com/transla...lite/atom-acer-aspire-n280-33295/&sl=fr&tl=en

 

No. filler filler

 

Why?

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Having a fanless netbook with an SSD resulting pure silent operation sure sounds nice.

 

Because it's just a slightly more efficient version of the existent platform and thus doesn't bring anything new performance wise. I would have preferred them using the mhd4500 instead of the gma940 but hey what can I do about it...

 

wow a GMA950? And to think i actually wasted my time waiting for this gosh is it this hard to find a netbook that can do some modest gaming?

the N10J so far seems to be the only netbook awesome in this respect.

 

I was also hoping for an improved GPU in this new netbook platform (even if Intel X3100 or X4500) but netbooks are primarily designed for web browsing, word processing, simple tasks like these. They have their limits set by manufacturers and companies like Microsoft and Intel and I think we're asking too much from them, even though I'd like netbooks later in the year to have 9400Ms and dual core Atoms at the same price point as those of today, etc etc etc.

But if this new platform can really result in fanless netbooks and especially silent ones for those that use SSDs, that is a worthy upgrade in my book.

 

Maybe you're missing the problem.

How is the Nvidia Ion chipset supposed to replace the Intel Atom chipset if the northbridge (the half of the chipset that matters with the GMA) is now on the CPU?

If the Nvidia Ion's chipset doesn't work with the Pineview then the Ion's days are numbered when the production of the Atom N270 is discontinued.

 

the fanless is a plus ill give it that you would literally be able to use iit in your bed because it wouldn't be hot and hot air wouldnt be blowing out like mad

 

Its annoying me right now with my notebook on my bed just doing web surfing.

 

Oh yeah? im surprised to hear that because i know sony notebooks are very good at heat management that's why i love my Sony Vaio AR/FW despite the fact that they are pretty much full size notebook heat/noise isnt an issue compared to my gateway and even HP and Dell i have had before.

Thats why im thinking about getting a Vaio Z or SR to use on the run but then i dont want to spend that money and then i hardly use it thats why netbooks are such an interesting prospect to me, because even if you dont use it it wont really matter since it was a small purchase.

Im pretty sure if i get one though i would use everyday i dont know though....

 

The Vaio TZ gets quite hot at the bottom, I can't keep it on my lap and others have complained about it. The run also runs constantly even when doing web browsing, its only silent when its doing nothing. Its disappointing considering its using an ultra low voltage CPU. The Vaio Z and TT have improved in this aspect however.

That's why I'd love to have a fanless netbook.

 

Want a fanless netbook, go buy a Dell Mini 9, 10, or 12.

 

thats great to hear the TT has a real superior screen tot he TZ there was a site i was looking at pics it wasnt this site though the tz has an awesome screen but when you check the new TT your like whoa!

Jay the mini 10 look good but i dont know.......i still say mini 12 is one the nicest

 

And I still say a umpc with a 12" screen has no justification to be called "mini" or "netbook." ;þ

 

yeah the mini should be taken out

Dell mini-me 12!!! ohh yeah!

It needs a ULV processor then again it wouldn't be a netbook after that.

 

They are fanless? I wonder how Dell managed to make them fanless whereas the EEEs, Aspire Ones, MSI Winds, etc. have fans and yet also the same N270 processor and Intel 945 chipset?

And since the Mini 9s use SSDs, they must be COMPLETELY silent no?

 

Besides all that, what kind of performance increase can we expect?

 

Yeah, zero moving parts on the Mini 9. Not bad eh? I'm still tossing up between that and the MSI Wind. My EEE 701 got stolen last week.

 

The Dell Mini 10 may be out pretty soon. It recently popped up on Tesco UK's website but has since been taken off.

Original link: http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.205-7721.aspx

Story from engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/21/dell-mini-10-shows-up-at-tesco-for-349/

 

the mini 10 apparently DOES have a 1280 x 720 res that's pretty awesome it may be worth the wait.

 

The resolution may actually only be 1024x576 but if it includes the built in GPS for $479 it's still a helluva deal.

A 1280x720 resolution however may be why they went for the Z500 series Atom. Classify it as a umpc and get around the netbook resolution limits.

 

Guys, a fanless notebook doesn't mean you can use it in a sealed place with no place for the heat to go. In fact, while the fan can push air out in a tight space, fanless requires some ventilation for the convection effect to carry the heat away. Granted, there's lesser heat which is why the fanless design was possible in the first place.

 

Well, the apparently the Mini 9 can get a bit warm since it uses the 945/N series Atom. The 10 and 12 use the Z series processors which are umpc oriented, and combined with the Poulsbo chipset, they use less power than the N Series/945 combo.

 

Aye, but it will not hit Australian shores for a couple of months, and when it does, it will be out of my price range.

 

I'm new to this discussion. Now running Windows on a MacBook. Too many headaches. So I want to get a new PC laptop. For writing (Word), email (Outlook), photos, video, internet surfing. Need reliable, exceptional support, lightweight. Suggestions?

 

how much is your budget?

 

You should ask in the What Notebook Should I Buy? forum. Read the stickied FAQ, start a post listing your requirements, and you'll get plenty of suggestions.

 

Seems Tesco messed up and people who ordered the "Mini 10" were actually being sold, and receiving, a Mini 9.

It's odd though because the pic, processor (Z520 instead of N270), and price Tesco had listed did not match up to a Mini 9.

Makes me wonder if the issue was due to typos or because they jumped the gun.

Source: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/24/tescos-349-mini-10-actually-a-349-mini-9/

 

Pineview is here! Acer 10" Aspire One gets it in march!: link

 

pineview?.....in march? Wow that was pretty quick

 

Where do you see that it has Pineview?

 

A few sites have reported that the 10" Aspire One will start off using the N270 but will offer another version with N280 later on in the year.

http://www.liliputing.com/2009/01/m...ate-info-for-the-acer-aspire-one-10-inch.html

 

That's not Pineview, that's just a higher FSB Atom.

 

It does come with an improved graphics chipset though. It seems Intel are offering two options:

1) Pineview, which combines the existing Atom, GMA graphics adaptor, and memory controller onto one component for a much smaller, easier to cool system, in H2 2009.
2) N280+GN40, which provies a small spec update plus a new GPU with a hardware video decoder, although this will have about the same complexity, size, and power consumption as the existing Atom. H1 2009.

I suspect that netbook manufacturers will use (1) to provide slimmer systems, and (2) for performance upgrades on cosmetically similar machines. I mean, you could put Pineview in an Eee 1000, but the case would be half-empty if the spec is to be believed. Putting N280+GN40 into the same machine wouldn't give you any extra room, but it would give you easier HD video playback.

 

The Atom N280 is the netbook CPU in the Pineview series.

The Northbridge has been moved onto the CPU and the GN40 takes over for the ICH7 as the Southbridge.

 

The Pineview CPU has not been named yet. The N280 will appear as a standalone processor in several netbooks this year, but whether Pineview's CPU component will be based on it is anybody's guess.

The much-rumoured GN40 is supposed to be a combined northbridge/southbridge with IGP*, and would have absolutely no use on a Pineview system where both northbridge and IGP** are built into the CPU package.

The actual Pineview southbridge is known as "Tiger Point".

*It's widely believed, but not yet confirmed that this IGP will support hardware video decode in h.264, and various other CODECs the GMA945 was sorely missing. As it happens, "Silverthorne" systems already include an equivalent chip, the SCH, with an IGP component named GMA500 that does hardware decode on h.264 and the rest. However Silverthorne is Intel's "UMPC" system, which has romped home to great acclaim in the new Vaio P Series but which usually doesn't appear in netbooks. It's anticipated that Diamondville will move to a similar, integrated setup in a bid to reduce costs, complexity, and power consumption, and address concerns about performance.

**The Pineview IGP is an upclocked GMA945-based component, apparently. It makes little sense for Intel to try to cram a newly developed IGP in there when they're keen to switch Pineview over to 32nm in the near future.

 

the AMD neo seem interesting in many respects, i wonder if there is a way to put a neo CPU in a 10" form factor?