Intel Mobile Core i5/i7 Coming Early Next Year

Intel Mobile Core i5/i7 Coming Early Next Year

RegHardware reports that Intel is planning to launch seven mobile processors based on the Core i5 and i7 architecture in Q1 2010. The codenamed 'Arrandale' processors will feature Core i5 and i7 branding, and one (it is not clear which one) could have onboard graphics.

There will be two Ultra Low Voltage (ULV) models to start with running at 1.06GHz and a 1.20GHz, with the ability to overclock to 2.13GHz and 2.26GHz, respectively. They will have TDPs of 10 - 18W. Other specs include 4MB of L3 cache, DDR3-800 support, and Hyperthreading (which means four logical processor cores).

There will be two Low Voltage (LV) models as well, running at 2.0GHz and 2.13GHz, with the ability to overclock up to 2.80GHz and 2.93GHz respectively. They will also feature Hyperthreading technology.

The standard part will be an i7 with a 2.66GHz clockspeed (overclockable to 3.33GHz); it will be a dual- and not a quad-core chip. The TDP will range from 25 - 35W, and it will support DDR3-1066. A standard i5 chip will have the same TDP and memory support as the 2.66GHz i7 chip, but a lesser cache (3MB L3 vs 4MB L3) and stock clocks of 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz, which overclock to 2.93 and 3.06GHz respectively.

A dual-core Celeron based on the Arrandale architecture is expected to launch in Q2.

Full Story (RegHardware.co.uk)

 

Good post Chaz, TDP are looking ok on these chips also

 

"Not all Arrandales will feature an integrated graphics core, but at this stage it's not clear which - if any - of those listed will have it. They all certainly have a PCI Express controller able to connect directly to an external GPU."

Hopefully they all will have integrated graphics and possible discrete graphics for switching btw more battery life and better A/C GPU power. I wonder what they mean by OCed speeds, is that when not all cores are being used then it will OC one core or what...

 

So close, yet so far. Guess Intel is beating AMD to fusion. I'm sure AMD will do it better though. Intel graphics were never good, and I doubt they'll get good any time soon.

 

I know I'm not alone in soundly skipping the first iteration of iX mobile parts......

Here's looking to 2010....

 

Interesting... I'm guessing that there's actually now going to be value in buying a good quality laptop with proper cooling?

 

No you're not

 

If this is true, and not just mere speculation, then it is great news indeed. Glad to hear not all of the dual-core Arrandale chips come with integrated graphics. I really don't need a 45nm quad-core with such a high TDP. Would be great to see these coupled with a mobile G300 in a thin-and-light.

Q1 seems so far away though...

Also, the ULV processors look really nice with turbo-boost to 2GHz+. That would make a huge difference in performance. And when multi-tasking with HT.

There's just one thing though. I thought the DDR3 RAM speed was getting bumped to 1333MHz with Calpella, 1600MHz max. But the link says it's still running 1066.

 

Technically Arrandale is the second iteration of iX parts...Intel just skipped over half of the first when they canceled Auburndale.

At least these are 32-nm and have a lower power consumption. I'll assume that the lower value in the TDP ranges given are for when the CPU is running at standard clocks and the higher TDP value is for when it is self-overclocking... which would mean 10w less power draw on the standard i7 and i5 duals compared to the standard T series Monty while both cores are under load.

Also interesting to see how the ULVs can gain 1.06Ghz on a core during a self overclock while the higher volt LV gain .8Ghz and the standard i7 & i5 only .67Ghz or .53Ghz.

 

Nehalem's architecture was designed for server processor. That is why the power numbers look disappointing barring idle power consumption which is way superior to core architecture.

Sandy bridge is designed by the same team that created core. If that combines the best of nehalem with best of core, that should be a killer CPU. Unfortunately we have to wait until H1 2011 before those cpu's release and I am sure we will be talking about waiting for ivy bridge at that time.

 

Interesting to see how this ULV-rated CPUs have a TDP of 10-18W, while in the C2D family, the 12-19W is reserved to the Low Voltage L series CPUs. It seems like Arrandale likes to consume more than Montevina.

Impressive, a 1.06GHz that doubles it speed, pretty nice, but if you stress the CPU, it turns out in very poor performance! Since the TB wont work when you have more threads running. The same for the 1.2GHz, if using many threads, they turn out to be very poor-performers!

L3 Cache? This is new to me. As far as I know there is L1 and L2. What is the L3 Cache? What difference it has with previous L2? And why are they stuck with 4MB when there are 6MB now? And 12MB for Quad-Cores (with no HT).

DDR3 RAM running at 800MHz? That is going backwards. I thought DDR3 was 1066MHz and 1333MHz, like the ones found on the Alienware M17x.

Well it sure is nice to see HT on all CPUs.

Thanks for the news Chaz!

 

If I had to guess I'd say the ULVs are probably going to be the ones with the built-in IGP since they're likely to be used in machines that won't fit a discrete GPU.

Would help explain why they have relatively the same power draw as Monty LV.

 

No quad core. Very sad for me.

 

It is not a quad core, but performs as such. HT on a D-C CPU makes it a Q-C when needed and D-C when not, saving a lot of energy. And if TB is also present, it will help a lot more. Having one core working as two and consuming as one only.

 

32nm quad cores are coming later in 2010.

No it doesn't. Since parts where combined, TDP seems higher when it really isn't. Also, what is L3 cache, other definition.

 

ULV is currently 10W and LV is 17W. If the new ULV is 10W to 18W (taking an extra 5W for the controller), the lower end ULV will have lower overall power consumption compared to current offerings, but the higher end ULV will have higher overall power consumption. At 12-19W, the new LV will definitely have lower overall power consumption than Montevina.

 

sure the LV have lower power consumption, that is why they are classified LV.
But current LV use 12-19W. And it says that ULV use 10-18W, new LV will use 15-2xW? Almost as high as a P...

 

I misread your post... seems like the range of TDP can be lower or higher than current models depending how high end it is.

 

i still don't get difference between i5 and i7

 

I think that i5 doesnt integrate the graphic controller hub in the CPU. But I could be insanely wrong.

 

i5 and i7 is difrentiation is a bit confusing on the notebook line, but if its similar to the desktop line

i7 should have HT while i5 does not and it seems the OP implies that i7s also /or have larger cache

 

i5 should also have integrated graphics and hyperthreading. i5 is just the lower end of i7 like the current T5xxx and T6xxx vs. the T8xxx and T9xxx series.

 

No, i3 is the only one that has no HT.

 

There seems to be widespread confusion on how to compare nehalem TDP to montevina era TDP. You cannot directly compare penryn TDPs to nehalem TDPs.

With montevina you had a CPU which had TDP of 10,17,25 and 35W for ULV, LV, P-series, and T-series respectively. This had to be mated to the GS45 chipset which included X4500MHD integrated graphics. The TDP of this chipset is 12W. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Mobile_Chipsets )

The nehalem chips have a new design which has an integrated memory controller and graphics processor on the same package as the CPU. The nehalem TDPs that are being quoted everywhere include all of these components. The new chipsets (that will accompany the nehalem chips) will have much lower TDP (compared to the GS45 at 12W) since they don't include the memory controller and the integrated graphics.

Therefore, it is not an apples to apples comparison to compare the reported nehalem TDP numbers to penryn CPU TDPs.

 

amazing i remember at one time this year they said it would drop this year.

Im glad though, let them take there time on it so it can be good when it comes out.

 

So that is why it is slightly higher TDP?
But I though Penryn used GM45 for GMA4500MHD and PM45 for GPUs...while GS45 is for Xtreme CPUs such as the X9100, therefore consuming a lot more.

On a side topic, this is interesting:

HTML:

GS45	Cantiga	82GS45 (GMCH)	ICH9-M	Q3, '08	Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Extreme, Celeron M	800/1066 MHz	DDR2 667/800, DDR3 667/800/1066	8 GiB	Integrated GMA X4500HD graphics core (Max. 533MHz 3D Render)	12 W
GM45	Cantiga	82GM45 (GMCH)	ICH9-M	Q3, '08	Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Extreme, Celeron M	667/800/1066 MHz	DDR2 667/800, DDR3 667/800/1066	8 GiB	Integrated GMA X4500HD graphics core (Max. 533MHz 3D Render)	12 W
PM45	Cantiga	82PM45 (MCH)	ICH9-M	Q3, '08	Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Extreme	667/800/1066 MHz	DDR2 667/800, DDR3 667/800/1066	8 GiB	PCI-Express 16×	7 W

The GS45 with no GMA4500MHD consumes as much as the GM45 with the IGP. Interesting.

And something else, it seems they all support DDR3 RAM, so, would a, for example, E6400 with DDR2 RAM be upgrade to DDR3 RAM, since the Chipset+Controllet Hub support it?

 

Digitimes has prices.

 

Great info there Jayayess!
Now we have an idea of whats to come and how its going to be priced.
+rep

 

You have gotten the wrong info the chipsets and processors. GM45, GS45, and GL40 are all basically the same and have the 4500MHD. The only difference is the speed of the GPU, with GM45 > GS45 > GL40. Hence why they all consume the same power. The PM45 chipset w/o 4500MHD consumes 7W, hence 5W of power for GPU.

Penryn is the processor and not quite related to the chipset. 1st gen Penryns can use the 965 chipset as well since they have 800MHz FSB, while 2nd gen is only for the 4 series due to its 1066MHz FSB.

Another thing is although the chipset supports both DDR2 and DDR3, motherboard manufacturers only choose one to support. In the case with the Dell E6400, Dell chose DDR2, so you can never upgrade to DDR3 without a motherboard upgrade.

It has already been stated by Intel, to compare true TDP, basically subtract 5W off of the Arrandale CPUs for the integrated GPU/memory controller, so 35W for Arrandale would be like 30W TDP in Penryn. The Arrandale ULV will be 10-18W (equal to Penryn 5-13W), while there will also be 25W parts (equal to Penryn 20W). However, no mention of LV power consumption. The low end ULV parts seem to have lower power consumption than current ULV (10W), while the high end consumes more power. The standard voltage Arrandales will consume less than the current T and P series.

 

Thanks a lot sgogeta. I think this is a lot clearer now!

About the RAM, you are right, I had forgotten about the pin-count on DDR2 and DDR3, they are physically different!

 

QX9300 needs a price cut if the Core i7-920XM is going to go for US$1,054.

 

Doubt there will be much of a price reduction since the new CPU will be on a new platform. Historically, the last few generation's top end extreme processors are still way too expensive (unless it has a successor for the same socket/motherboard).

 

WOW....$1054 for that I7 thats crazy. You might as well get the one for $550 and just overclock it.

Those arrandales look good though.

 

So the i7 is going to be ONLY 2GHz? How would a multithreadded apps compare when being ran on the i7 vs QX9300?

 

Will let you know after the mobile i7-920XM is released in a notebook, reviewed, and benchmarked. ;þ

 

the point of DDR3 is to lower power consumption, as it actually uses less power than DDR2 memory, it is still kind of expensive so im expecting preliminary memory chips to have lower clock speeds, like 800mhz, but memory clocks really do next to nothing.

 

Any guess?

 

I thought that DDR3 was meant to increase both performance and battery life...

Well, are there any differences established between the i5 and i7? Care to enlighten me? Thanks!

 

yes finaly, i was wondering when intel would update their moble processor line. now the question is when will the octacore come out.

 

Maybe in 2011 with the Ivy Bridge platform, but definitely by 2012. The Haswell micro architecture will launch launches with mainstream notebooks starting at quad core and more expensive will be octa-core.

 

In theory, DDR3 does do both, but in reality the differences aren't noticeable since memory consumes very little memory already and the CPU cannot utilize the bandwidth. However, it is useful in that it opens up performance and power benefits for future applications.

i5 will be the mainstream and dual core only (w/ HT). i7 will be the performance dual cores and quad cores (w/ HT as well). Think of it as the i5's being like at the level of the T8300/P8600 while the i7's at the level of T9400/Q9100. The differences being number of cores, speed, and cache.

 

tahnks m8
why so late?

 

Thanks a lot sgogeta!

And the core boosting system, the one that shuts down the other cores so one can overclock? those are featured on the i5 as well?

 

How would the Core i5-520DM compare to the Core 2 Duo T9900?

How would the Core i7-920XM compare to the Core 2 Extreme QX9300?

I would like to buy a new laptop, but would like to know, should I buy one now, or wait a few months.

 

Do you need it now? But it now.
You dont need it now? But it when you need it.

 

I have two laptops. One is 4 years old, one is 3 years old. Both lack dedicated graphics. The 3-year old screen is no longer working. The 4-year old continuously max the CPU doing pretty much nothing. I'm in no rush, but would like to buy a new laptop (most likely a decked out HDX 16t).

Given we are about to move into a 32nm process, I simply want to know which CPU is better and should I wait.

 

Ig you feel you can wait for them (around 8 months or more) then you wait and get the 32nm parts. Buy I remind you that these 32nm parts will be released in Q1 2010 the most, and be mass produced later and getting them will take time.

 

I could have sworn I read that these new Nehalem chips for notebooks would be out by the end of the year.

 

No body knows the answers until benchmarks are performed.

 

The new Nehalem mobile will be released in late September '09.