Intel Clarksfield Notebook CPUs Coming

Intel Clarksfield Notebook CPUs Coming

A DigiTimes report claims that Intel has updated its processor launch schedule for notebooks, including Core i7-based Clarksfield processors and new processors for ultra-thin notebooks. The report claims that three Clarksfield CPUs will arrive around the end of September/early October: a Core 2 Extreme XE running at 2.0GHz, a Core 2 Quad P2 at 1.73GHz, and a Core 2 Quad P1 at 1.6GHz. For ultra-thin notebooks, look out for the Celeron SU2300 and Celeron 743 by the end of September.

Full Story (DigiTimes.com)

 

Clarksfield are still going to be called Core 2and not i7, i5, or i3?

Regardless of what they're called though I think they're worth skipping until they get die shrunk to 32-nm next year.

 

35 watt quads... a little low clocked, but for the power consumption not bad. I'd guess that the eXtreme version should be able to get 2.5-2.6ish overclock with good temps. And thats about all needed.

Cant wait

 

I would wait until they're in reviewers hands before you make the final call. I expect them to have impressive adaptive power consumption and clockspeeds. The Extreme version should be unlocked with a higher TDP as well.

 

I've been reading 45 watts for the 1.6Ghz and 1.73Ghz Clarksfield and 55 watts for the 2.0Ghz Extreme.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14530/1/
http://www.hwrnews.com/?p=3138


Also in other threads on Calpella I usually post a link to this article comparing the desktop Lynnfield vs. the Core i7 950 vs. the Core 2 Q9650. The desktop counterpart to Clarksfield performs 9-24% better than the desktop Core2Quad at the same speeds so I don't expect a 2.0Ghz Clarksfield Quad to beat a 2.53Ghz Monty Quad by very much.

 

No where in the article does it say 35W. Where did you get this figure? Cuz I heard 45W+...

Exactly. Guess we'll see eh.

 

A previous article i read said 35 watts.

I guess thats now outdated

Now they are basically crap

 

Yeah early rumors were 35watts for the Clarksfield but now they're saying 45-55watts.

The platform may have saved some power since the Northbridge is gone but since Clarksfield doesn't have an IGP built in to the CPU, and there isn't a chipset with an IGP that supports the CPU, notebooks will require a discrete graphics card.

Reports are integrated graphics won't be on the mobile CPUs until Arrandale Duos are launched in Q1 2010 and won't be on mobile quads until Westmere sometime after Q2 2010.

 

So the difference between the Clarksfield is just an upgrade of the C2D while the Arrandale's are 32nm CPUs with integrated graphics attached on a 45 nm chip? Also, what's the deal with the new micro architecture that's supposed to come out early 2011.

Why would Intel release chips in Q4 2009 if new and better ones are coming out Q1 2010/Q2 2010?

 

Please... no more Core 2 brands...

 

HINT: Rhymes with funny but your wallet doesn't think it's a joke.

Arrandale will have the IGP built into the 32-nm CPU.

The way I understand it Clarksfield and Auburndale were to be the 45-nm Nehalem architecture CPUs but were delayed by Intel and notebook manufacturers because OEMs wanted to sell their Monty stock off. Then Auburndale got canceled with Havendale desktop CPUs in favor of going straight to 32-nm for the Duo Arrandale and Clarkdale (a desktop CPU not to be confused with Clarksfield).

Instead of canceling Clarksfield and Lynnfield too Intel looks like they're trying to make some money off of transition products until Westmere.

At least Clarksfield and Arrandale/Westmere look like they'll use the same socket type so there won't be a need to buy an entirely new notebook if you get Clarksfield now and want to upgrade to 32-nm CPUs later.

 

Intel Roadmap for coming years:

2010: 32nm Arrandale on Westmere platform, later in year quad cores shrink to 32nm.
Fall 2010: 32nm Sandy Bridge (New 32nm micro-architecture)
2011: 22nm Ivy Bridge (Sandy Bridge die shrink)
2012: 22nm Haswell (New 22nm micro-architecture)

 

It's a little known secret that Intel plans their Roadmaps using a Mayan calendar and that Gordon Moore banked on the Earth ending before his Law could end in 2014. :yes:

 

Okay. Thanks for the posts. It was very informative.

The thing I don't understand is the shrinking of the current microprocessor to a smaller size and then introducing the new microarchitecture. Do smaller sized processors result in faster speeds, or etc?

I find all this stuff about the size so complicated. I never knew there were different sizes and that they get down-sized now and then.

 

Some time ago I've made a whole thread about the upcoming Calpella platform. It should have all the information you need there.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=390986

 

Why would they still call them core2, that doesn't make sense.
what about the 'core i7 mobile' brand name. Has that been dropped? This would make choosing a new notebook very confusing.

 

I thought Intel would be ditching the Core 2 labeling? Guess I'll have to find out in the next year or so.

 

so is this correct? (just trying to understand it myself, I find it quite confusing sometimes) :
Clarksfield: 4C/8T, high-end, 45nm. Will be branded as Core 2(?). Release later this year
Arrandale: 2C/4T, mainstream, 32nm, integrated graphics. Release next year

 

It does make sense in that they'll start the next brand name with a CPU that has integrated GPU on board, and that would probably be used as the main selling point of that new brand.

At the same time though, releasing yet another borign ol' Core 2 might hurt sales...

 

Correct. Maybe Clarksfield will get changed to Core i7 when it is shrunk to 32nm?

 

Or maybe the news has it wrong...

 

That's what I think as well.

 

Thanks for the link. Very informative.

Are Quadcore laptop processors going to be mainstream in a year or 2? I would prefer getting a ULV processor since I like long battery life and I don't really do much on a laptop except basic school work.

 

No, more likely when Ivy Bridge launches in 2011 is when quad core will be mainstream.

Link

 

35 watts would have been stellar

Oh well im happy More power is always a good thing.

 

The quad cores don't really take up that much power considering they have hyperthreading so it's 8 threads AND the northbridge is built into the CPU. Claims that northbridge will save 10W and we can see how people got the 35W figure, though the accuracy of the northbridge taking 10W is questionable considering the entire PM45 chipset is rated at 9.5W.

 

The more I learn about Clarksfield, the more disappointing it sounds. The release got pushed back, the TDP is high, the clock speeds are low, and I'm fairly confident that the prices will be way up there. Intel has no competition here and this shows. Hopefully my current laptop will last another year or two so I can get the Sandy Bridge (or at least Westmere) quads.

 

Westmere is the platform that these quad cores and Arrandale will use.

 

Not quite. Westmere is the 32 nm die shrink of the architecture used by the Clarksfield quad-cores, but Clarksfield itself is 45 nm. Arrandale will indeed be part of Westmere, but it is only dual-core. I want the 32 nm quads (or something better).

 

Scroll down for the future CPUs.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=368570

 

Sorry, I forgot. The platform is Calpella. Too many codenames, hard to remember!

 

Clarksfield and Lynnfield do look absolutely useless.

 

Lynnfield is i5 which is the mainstream version of i7, though, in opinion, releasing them a year later was stupid. Clarksfield = Mobile quad with HT...

 

So... It's basically expensive crap. Here comes Windows Vista all over again... in mobile CPU's. AMD should take opportunity and release some powerful stuff!

 

I want to believe these CPUs will be good, after all they coincide with the Win7 launch. The industry as a whole should WANT to make it very compelling.

But the apparent high TDP seems to only make sense for gaming. While the latter is a real market, it's a small segment. Business and casual computing folks will have no upside in buying these. For notebooks, it looks pretty much all downside = battery life drain.

But who knows. Perhaps the compelling value prop has been kept secret. If that is the case, then Intel has done an excellent job all around

 

From the desktop i7s, gaming isn't all that with this CPU. The people who will find this the most useful, are those that encode and do mathematical calculations. For gaming, most notebooks are GPU bound and even a "lowly" P8600 would be enough.

Interesting roadmap find:

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/20090715_302074.html

 

Link ......

 

The pictures come from the link from my previous post. Still doesn't seem all that since in order to get that speed you basically have to shut down the rest of the cores. It's going to be a fast single core or slow quad core (depending on how many cores the program(s) can utilize).

 

I am confused. The roadmap from Electronista says all Core 2 Duo's will be replaced with a Core i7, even low end ones like 1.2GHZ. But the pc watch links mention Core i5. Which are wrong?

 

I think you are looking at the desktop roadmap and not the notebook one. i3/5 is for desktops. Check out the top left corner of each image.

 

I was looking at the right ones, now I get it. Except I don't understand how a ULV/LV processor gets a Core i7 rating, and a "Power Optimized" (P series) can get a Core i5 rating?

Seen on here

 

Oh I see. I'm not sure either but I guess we will see in Q1 '10 how things pan out.

 

Heh, I have a P8600 and my powerful nVidia 1 GB Card does all the dirty work in fact. However putting a QX9300 will definitely show some noticeable difference in gaming.
By the way, do you know if the new PGA-G1 socket of the i7 mobiles will be compatible with the current P sockets (southbridge and/or Q45-43 chipset notebooks)? Seems not...
cheers

 

No new Core i processors will work with old Core 2 sockets.

 

Well, that's a nice reason to wait for a new i7 then. I was thinking to buy the QX9300, which found at a good price. however the i7 especial the extreme ones will come pretty costly on the beginning i guess.

 

Will these new processors showcase any significant, or even noticable difference in performing basic buisness tasks, such as email, multitasking in Office, internet, SPPS etc or is it mainly for more demanding tasks like CAD, Photoshop, Video editing etc?

I'm on the lookout for a new laptop and I will only perform basic buisness tasks like stated above but I am now confused as to weather I should wait for the release or if it wont make that much of an impact on performance considering my tasks?

 

you can even do that with a CULV for emails , browsing...
a 2.0ghz can run powerpoints etc ...

i think the only reason people will be getting mobile i7 are for heavy workstations ,gaming laptops...

 

so if I get a processor which less than 2ghz I wont be able to run Power Point?

That sounds rather wierd as alot of buisness laptops who comes with lower voltage processors are below 2 ghz

Like the Lenovo X301: SU9400, 1,4ghz
or
Lenovo X200s: SL9400, 1,86ghz

Are you sayint these premium laptops wont run PP as they are below 2.0ghz? I dont know much about computers but I remember years ago when computers where alot slower than the slow computers today, and I was still able to run Power Point back then?

 

No, dont look at that.
Even Atom CPUs run PP flawlessly.
Power Point is a NON demanding application.

 

Basically, the advancements of CPUs is mostly for the advancement of technology. Probably near half the people who buy laptops/notebooks do not need nor will not benefit from these advancements and are basically just paying the premium of new technology.

For now, the real and most demanding CPU things are workstation or specialized applications. Games are starting to become CPU demanding, but it's not a norm yet.

Unless you really fit one of those 2 categories, waiting for new CPU lines is basically just a question of wanting to have the newest technology(i.e. a want, not a need). If you wanted the best deal it'd probably be by buying last generation's technology right before the new one comes out.