HP 8740w Review! - Full Metal Jacket!

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Last update - 30/08/2010

HP Elitebook 8740w - Mobile Workstation, -
is a flagship(Small&Medium Business) system with primary focus on color critical applications, engineering, software development, etc.
The notebook is available both with ATI and Nvidia powerful graphics [with ISV certifications] to handle professional applications.

This very laptop was purchased for software development, all-around computing as well as gaming in mind.






System specifications:

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

Processor: Intel Core i7-840QM (1.86GHz, 8Mb L3 Cache), up to 3.2GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

Intel Vpro Technology

Display: 17 inch diagonal IPS LED-backlit DreamColor WUXGA WVA anti-glare (1920x1200) with 2.0MP integrated camera

Graphics: ATI FirePro M7820 with 1GB dedicated GDDR5 memory

Memory: 2GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM (1D) – upgraded to 16GB(4x4GB)

Internal Storage: 250GB 7200RPM Hard Drive

Upgrade Bay: DVD+/-RW Super Multi with Double Layer LightScribe Drive

Pointing Devices: Backlit – Full-sized keyboard with numeric keypad and dual pointing devices (touchpad and pointstick) with scroll zone

Bluetooth: HP Integrated Module with Bluetooth 2.1 Wireless Technology

Wireless LAN: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (3x3)

Modem: 56K v.92 high speed modem

Security: Integrated Fingerprint Reader

Adapter: 200W HP Smart AC Adapter

Battery: 8-cell 73 Wh Li-Ion Battery (1 year warranty)

Warranty: Limited 3 year standard parts and labor warranty (3/3/3)

Retail price as configured: 3,600.00 USD



Dimensions:

Notebook
Length: 39.4cm
Width: 28cm
Thickness (including rubber feet): 3.7cm-4.5cm
Weight: 3.8kg

PSU
Length: 16.4cm
Width: 8cm
Thickness: 3.3cm
Weight: 0.85kg





Build Quality and Design


The entire line of Elitebooks is made almost exclusively of metal (DuraCase magnesium-alloy structure, hardened steel pin axels and scratch-resistant DuraFinish ).
According to HP - Elitebook 8740w meets tough military standards (MIL-STD 810G) for vibration, dust, humidity, altitude and extreme temperatures.
The system indeed feels extremely sturdy and well built with very minimal imperfections almost invisible with a naked eye.
The lid, most of the bottom area and palmrest color can be described as a "brushed gun-metal", while the keyboard and touchpad are black.
The entire chassis is very solid with minimal flex.
There's no rippling or wobbling when pushing on the lid, other than the necessary minimal
movements to prevent the cracking and breaking in case of bumps, drops and other accidental mishandling.
The hinges are very powerful holding the lid with no issues at any angle in its ~180 degrees range.
It's also possible to open and close the lid with one hand.
The system is can be considered light for its category - only ~3.7kg. It's slightly lighter than Dell Precision M6500 and Lenovo W701 - two direct competitors.
It's relatively thin - 3.7-4.5cm and can be easily transported.





Screen

The DC2 (DreamColor2) screen in our system is absolutely gorgeous.
It's an IPS 30-bit panel with 10-bit per primary color.
From what we know it's a younger brother of the famous HPLP2480zx an external IPS professional monitor.
It has perfect viewing angles, both horizontal and vertical as well as almost perfect (perfect to my eyes) sRGB.

Some info from HP regarding the screen:
Contrast Ratio 800:1 typical
Brightness 210 nit typical
Backlight RGB LED
Viewing Angle ±89° Horizontal, ±89° Vertical (typical)
Technology Type 30-bit In-Plane Switching (IPS)
Color Depth 10-bits/color
Display Colors Over 1 billion colors (native mode)

Color Gamut Coverage CIE1931 (x,y) CIE 1976 (u',v')
NTSC 109% 129%
AdobeRGB 114% 127%
sRGB 154% 148%

The attached images
should say it all:

courtesy of M8o and NotebookGrail








Outdoor usage of this system is possible even under direct sunlight ( @Maximum screen brightness).
Two things, however point against it:
the dark metal surface which can heat up very easily and a minor reflectivity of the anti-glare layer.




Speakers

Conveniently located in front and beneath the palm rest on either side of the touchpad the speakers offer a decent sound
quality and crispy enough sound for a business workstation.
They cannot ,for example, compete with the AW M17X speakers in terms of volume level and depth of sound but at the same time
offer a better sound than those of the Lenovo W510.


Connectivity

The port distribution is very convenient with a single possible disadvantage
for those who use DVD drive frequently. Three out of four USB ports as well as eSata
located on the right side of the laptop, together with the DVD drive.






Devices plugged into these ports might create a little obstacle when accessing the DVD drive.
But if you sacrifice the DVD towards a second HDD – problem is solved.
Other than that all of the ports can be accessed easily without extra maneuvering
or moving the laptop.
The exact port positioning can be seen from the attached images.

Keyboard and Touchpad



8740w has a classical business full-sized keyboard
with numeric keypad, pointstick and touchpad similar to those
found in Lenovo TnikPads and Dell Precision series.
It's also spill resistant (but don't try this at home unless you have a complete care warranty pack )
The keyboard is somewhere in between the classical ThinkPad and a chiclet style,
therefore users coming from TPs may need some extra time adjusting.
Nevertheless, Typing is very pleasant and smooth, key size is neither too small nor too big
as well as the spacing in between, making it very difficult to miss the target.
The keys are very responsive with a short and fast clicking, which is quiet enough and yet distinctive.
Backlight is very comfortable with no blinding effect found in AW systems,
adjustable brightness and auto-dimming feature, which is very convenient
and never distracting when working in a dark environment.

*** Update! 04/08/2010 ***
It appears that many (if not all) systems equipped with backlit keyboards have a common problem: a slight bump in the upper left corner and as a result - significant flex near that area.
So in an attempt to solve the problem I ordered another keyboard (non-backlit) and upon close examination came to the conclusion that backlit keyboards do have a design flaw, - (This is all my personal opinion of course, so take it with a grain of salt) - while the entire bottom of the regular keyboard is covered with a single metal plate adding the sturdiness and helping to minimise the flex, the backlit keyboard has uneven bottom partially plastic and partially metal, thus some areas are very flimsy...
Plus the DuraKeys on the regular KB feel sturdier and thicker.
Needless to say, that installing the regular KB solved the "bump and flex" issue entirely and now the system seem to be perfect.

Just a note of advice for those looking to buy HP 8740w -
Opt for the regular keyboard, at least till the problem is resolved by HP.
It feels sturdier and has almost no flex compared to the backlit keyboard.
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Touch-sensitive keys, similar to those in Alienware systems
suffer from the same plague - occasional response delay.

The touchpad and pointstick are very similar to those found in other business notebooks,
but the general feeling of a slight shift to the left is present.
For a long-term ThinkPad abuser the shift could be annoying at first,
but soon becomes bearable and even unnoticeable.
The pointstick is very similar to the famous TP trackpoint but is somewhat slower and less maneuverable.
The problem is solved entirely when replacing the stock pointstick cap with the red ThinkPad cap:



The touchpad is convenient, responsive and feels "in place"
with very smooth control and distinctive clicking short clicking of the pad keys. Same is valid for the pointstick keys.


Performance and Benchmarks

Equipped with a i7-840QM (1.87-3.2GHz) CPU and ATI FirePro M7820 this notebook offers one of the best
levels of performance found in single GPU systems today,
surpassed only by those equipped with extreme (920XM/940XM) processors and GTX 480M video card (e.g. Clevo D900F).
HP 8740w can also be equipped with the extreme (mobile) CPUs and Quadro equivalent of the GTX 480M, according to HP.
With up to 16GB of RAM and a SSD this workstation should be able to effectively handle
all rendering, audio/video/photo processing, CAD, DCC, VT etc. Gaming is also possible.
All current games (except for Crysis, Metro 2033 and a few others) will run at maximum setting and native resolution.
With all settings set on high we were able to play Crysis perfectly smooth at 1920x1200 with no input lag whatsoever, experiencing a whole new level of color display.
Gamers will be surprised to discover how greatly can a billion color screen contribute to their hobby.

WEI:



3DMark06:



3DMark Vantage:



DPC Latency can pose a problem for video/audio critical work manifesting in stuttering, sound pop-ups etc.
Luckily our system doesn't suffer from high latency as can be seen from a DPC Latency Checker screenshot:




Heat and Noise

8740w has a single fan to direct the heat out of the crucial inner components,
yet the notebook stays very quiet most of the time.
One can only hear the fan when putting one's ear near the vents.
When under load, the system will occasionally become audible for brief moments.
Even while playing Crysis (27C room temperature) the fan noise stayed well within the tolerable limits.
Keeping in mind how thin this notebook is and the low noise level of the fan,
the question comes forth, - what about the heat?
Here are the screenshots of the HWinfo32 monitoring software, first during idle/office mode,



then, during a 1 hour long Crysis session:



2 hours of playing King's Bounty The Armored Princess:

*** There was a minor lag in this game, not bothering but visible for a picky eye.





All testing was done with the ambient temperature of 27C and stock thermal compounds.
While the processor gets a little hot under heavy load
83C for the M7820 (aka MR5870) is within the safety limits. Therefore, the system can even handle heavy gaming without overheating and/or throttling.



More tests will be done to support or disprove this statement, but at this point we are satisfied with the results.


Battery Life

The battery life varies between 1 and 2hrs depending on the load level.
With minimum brightness and power saving mode we were able to get almost 2 hours out of the 8-cell 73wh battery. Load and maximum brightness reduces this time almost in a half.

Conclusion

HP 8740w is a unique notebook model offering a 1200P IPS screen capable of showing 1 billion true colors, with perfect viewing angles and color uniformity.
The screen is intended for color critical applications but can be perfectly utilized in gaming just as well.
Semi-rugged approach with military grade certifications,
the most powerful mobile hardware components up to date as well as an adequate cooling system - make this notebook a very desirable piece of technology for professionals and enthusiasts alike!


PROs:
IPS anti glare screen with perfect viewing angles and color reproduction
Build quality
Thin and light
Very good keyboard (non-backlit) - updated 04/08/2010
Powerful components
Quiet


CONs:
Price
Flex and a noticeable bump on a backlit keyboard - updated 04/08/2010
Poor pointstick maneuverability
Poor responsiveness of touch sensitive keys

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Thank You!

Special thanks to M8o and NotebookGrail for the great pictures!


To be edited! ........

 

M17x-R2 (TN RGB LED) vs 8740w (IPS) screen comparison.

Finally I got a decent camera to make a few shots.
I'm skipping the viewing angles part (unless special requests will follow), since it's clear who's the winner.
Just one pic to prove the point (120-130 degrees):



So without a further delay:












Enjoy

 

Very nice review, and stunning screen! +rep

 

Enjoy I did! Glad I could be of some small service. I really like that it's in keeping with the format of the reviews that attracted me to NBR and kept me here. ... one thing tho, it's not just m8 but m8o , [annonimity be damed] as in Mato.

edit: If I could recommend one thing, it's to state perhaps that it's an IPS display in the specs section? I know HP doesn't do it, but I think it's worthy of being mentioned up top rather than only in the body of the review. Oh, and to perhaps avoid confusion by the un-informed this is intended for, state that it's a DreamColor2 as opposed to just DreamColor. We wouldn't folks to think the 8730w is the same thing.

 

$3600 US is really a bargain! If you can get it in such a configuration at all here in Europe it would be over $5000

 

Excellent review. That screen looks amazing - the viewing angles are unbelievable.

HP makes some of the highest-quality notebooks on the the market today; their business machines are second to none IMO.

The only thing I don't like about this notebook is how three USB ports are clustered together on the right side of the notebook, and how they are at the front of the notebook. As a right-hander, I would be hitting anything plugged into there constantly.

Thanks for posting this!

 

Thank you

Oops, sorry M8o. Fixed

 

That notebook is epic - but I would definitely switch out the HDD for an SSD to match the amazingness of the rest of it

 

You are certainly right! Waiting for Intel G3 here

 

@Aikimiox, Nice review. One thought tho, you can mention the WPI as well in the review.

 

Best workstation on the market right now, imo. I have a friend with the the 8540w and I am so jealous of it I am ashamed.

 

Great review! That looks like the keyboard on the Dell latitude line.

 

Thanks!

Updated the Performance section: added 3Dmark06 and Vantage results.

 

As a user of a Latitude E6500 daily for 10 to 16 hours a day, I can assure you they are very different beasts with a very different feel. The quality of the 8740w is in another league from the Latitudes; the 'feel and rightness award' goes to the E6500 for me. Coming from IBM (then Lenovo) keyboards for years, I felt right at home on the E6500; still no so with this HP keyboard.

Not sure why still. It's not that I mis-key; I actually mis-key far more on the Latitude. The HP just feels 'off' to me.

 

Nice review Akimox! Have a question, since you own both the M17x and the HP 8740w how would you compare their screens with each other?

EDIT: Opps nvm just seen your thread in the AW forum haha. Ya that HP screen looks amazing!

 

NICE SCREEN! Question for you though--what's the painting in the last few pictures?

 

Thanks for the excellent review!

About the pointstick, you can try purchasing pointstick "tips" (red eraser style in particular) from Thinkpads. You can find a pack them on ebay for a couple of bucks (genuine), I've found that it works better than the stock HP one on my 8510p. Though of course I am not sure with the keyboard change the Thinkpad "tips" would still fit.

(Click to enlarge)

 

That's one serious laptop

 

Another user tried the thinkpad tips on the Elitebooks and found that they fit and worked better than the original elitebook tips.

 

That is one amazing screen - if only such screens were available on more laptops... Great review and pictures, +rep.

 

Do you use the ODD? Any plans on swapping that for another HDD (or putting your current HDD there when you get a SSD)? Too bad HP doesn't offer 2 HDD bays natively, but then again it is lighter than the M6500 (which does have 2 HDD bays).

 

I tried using the tips from older TP laptops and they didn't fit perfectly.
Will try the one from my wife's W510 and if it fits - will order a few.


Regarding the AW M17x-R2 (RGB LED) vs 8740w screen comparison:
In a couple of days will get my hands on a very good camera.
Second post in this thread is reserved for that.

 

That was from me, where I was trying to do a better job than I did in the 1st comparative angled photos used in the review with a photo I got from a link Aikimox provided, to demonstrate how frig'n fantastic this screen looks @ a 45'ish degree angle. ...and how well the image can match an original. The original is included in the thread for comparison:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...should-lust-after-dc2-equipped-hp-laptop.html

 

Not sure if the ODD (when equipped with another SSD) won't affect the transfer rates. I might just shove a bigger HDD in there for data storage.

 

Dude i have been configuring this machine my god this is so expensive!! 570 for this freaking IPS DC2!! I want to buy this refurbished the only way. Great awesome review very happy to see you waited so long for it.

 

You don't have to wait till refurbished ones appear. Just call a rep and ask for a 25-28% OFF

 

Hmm...The WEI CPU score seems to be lower than others have received. Were you on battery power or on a power saving profile?

 

Who cares about stupid WEI.... its such a useless benchmark.

3DMark06 scores are pretty good - in line with Alienware systems. Is it the screen the main reason this laptop costs this much?

 

Are there 8540p/w models with that iPS panel or only 17inch?

 

The 8540w also has the IPS screen as an option when you CTO.

 

That's true. But it's not clear at this point whether or not the screen is the same quality IPS.

The screen and M7820 were the main reasons.
I needed a workstation with good (1200p) anti glare screen...Also, - gaming

 

Wow! A thing of beauty...at a price. VERY envious of that screen....

 

@Aikimox - thank you for the review. I just want to add some my thoughts about one design issue in this 8740w workstation.

I agree with you and others in this tread on the point that cluttered disposition of USB ports, closed to each other, creates some problems with usage. Design could certainly be better. Why all sockets should be only on two sides of the notebook? That creates clutter and inconvenience in some occasions (with power socket, e.g., all the time).

I don't have any problems to reach back side of the notebook and to insert a cable into socket there. It's not a desktop. And, at the same time, I don't want to see all those cables always sticking out from both sides of notebook. Especially power cord or a video cable. They are heavy and thick. And, BTW, sometimes I may want to rest my palms on sides of the notebook too...

I think the better design would have power socket on the back side (or, if, it must be on a side, at least close to it). The same is true with regards to video and, perhaps, network sockets. Couple of USB ports may go to the back also (e.g. I always keep mouse receiver in one USB socket and I'd prefer to keep it on back).

Audio output placed in front side could be convenient in cases when you want to listen using headphones. But what if you want to connect your audio output to a small acoustic system on the desk (as I always do) to enjoy not loud, but a certain bass sound? With 8740w it will always stick out from the front side A second audio output socket on the back side (or again, at least close to the back side) would be very welcome to have (even for some additional cost associated with it ).

I don't know what those designers were thinking about, but I certainly don't want all sockets to be only on both sides of the notebook as it's currently done in 8740w... Please make some better design decisions when you work on your next workstation.

 

Update:

1) Added a pic of the cooling system.

2) Replacing the stock pointstick cap with the red ThinkPad one entirely solves the maneuvering issue. Added with pic.


@nbr99,

Thanks for the input!
While totally agree with the points stated, I don't experience any of those personally.

 

The port placement is exactly like that of the 8730w. For those wondering why there are no ports in the back... the back is nearly all consumed by the fan and battery (the majority). To put more ports in the back would mean one or more of the following...

1. Make a thicker and heavier laptop. One of the main advantages of the 8730/8740 series is that they are considerably lighter than other workstations of a similar screen size.
2. Sacrifice cooling capabilities. The fan occupies the entire upper left hand corner of the bottom case. On the side edges, hot air is blown out, while cool air enters through the bottom. To fit ports in the back, this fan must be downsized, and air must only be blown to the left, to allow for room to add ports in the back. Or, the fan can be moved to the right, where it blows hot air on (most) mousing hands. Considering the high powered components these pack, any compromise in cooling is not good.
3. Redesign battery. Not the best route, but seemingly the most viable. One of the advantages of business notebooks is a cost effective upgrade solution. If you go from the 8730w to the 8740w, all batteries, docking solutions, and other accessories will still work, saving money for businesses that need new hardware. The current batteries even work across most of the line, from 14" to 17". To allow ports in the back, a rectangular battery that inserts into the bottom of the notebook is ideal. Not only does this present an upgrade issue, it also eliminates the ability to make larger extended batteries, and may increase thickness.

I certainly do not like the port layout (3 USB slots right next to each other is a pain with USB drives), but from an engineering standpoint, I could see why it is the way it is.

 

@MGS2392, I agree with your perspective on engineering standpoint currently implemented in 8740w. That could explain why it's done this way by now.

But there is a user standpoint too and, when someone makes design decisions, it should not be treated as least important one. If designer wants to help users to get rid of the clutter of those USB ports on one side of the notebook and move heavy and thick cables (power, video, network) from that side to the back side too - he may consider to move the battery pack a bit further from the back edge (a half of an inch perhaps would be completely enough). Sliding back battery in order to remove / replace it is convenient, granted. But it's not the only possible solution. Battery could be inserted into the bottom of notebook too, freeing the back side of the notebook for more important for users things like those ports. And, as always, it's just a matter of priorities - user convenience vs simplicity of engineering solution. And in this case we're not talking about some $300 notebook, but rather about x10 times more expensive, top of the line EliteBook workstation.

So, while I may understand why in 8740w it's implemented that particular way - I think that port disposition in 8740w has this drawback and I hope that the next and a better EliteBook workstation (perhaps 8750w?) will be designed with this point of view in mind.

 

Aikimox I've already repped you into oblivion but you need some more for this review and M17x side by sides. Wonderful screen and looks like its well built.

Thank you for sharing with us, if there's a truly a person deserving notice for being an all around experienced person with high end laptops and GPU's he's the one stop shop for answers. If there's one thing I'm requesting is a final opinion on how well the IPS screen compares to the RGBLED in games? Particularly worried about the hz response times and if theres any noticeable lag vs the RGBLED.

edit; Remembered other question, the M17x is generally depicted as perhaps the most well built laptop on the market, how does the 8740w compare in terms of build quality?

 

Thank you
These questions are very important but to answer properly I need a good camera and more testing.
That's why the second post in this thread is reserved...
I expect to get the camera in 3 days from now so stay tuned.
Meanwhile, going through gaming tests. It looks like the only glitches found so far are the driver issues in specific games. Didn't have any lag in Crysis. Will try Dragon Age and a few other titles, but so far - no problems. M17x RGB LED is a very good screen but looking at the two I see a bit of a difference that, due to the lack of technical knowledge, I can only describe as a "fullness" of color which the IPS has as a big advantage. On the other hand, glossy screen cover adds quite a bit of crystal sharpness to the alien screen (along with reflections ).
Build quality:
M17x feels more solid, especially on the lid, but there's a question - which system would survive more beating, bumping and dropping

Anyway, more to come with pictures in a few days.

 

Oh absolutely. An under-the-notebook battery would certainly be the best solution, as I stated before. But its biggest drawback is interchangeability. The EliteBooks, 14" and up, have always used the same batteries and docking stations, allowing for cost friendly laptop upgrades that appeal to business bean counters, as well as allowing a business to use one set of accessories for a diverse set of equipment. Relocating the battery will improve user friendliness, yes, in the area of port placement. But at the same time, it degrades the user friendliness in the area of TCO and interchangeability.

What HP could do is relocate the speakers to the inside of the notebook, and put a USB port or two in the front. That way, there would be one on the left side of the notebook for mice, 2 well spaced ones on the right side for small dongles and the like, and 1 or two in the front for USB sticks. But again, user friendliness is improved in one area, and sacrificed in another, as lap friendliness is reduced with front USB ports.

 

I think it's a matter of personal priorities, habits and taste.
If I needed to populate all the available ports in a static manner - would go for a desktop.
But I made a test, populated all the ports at once, and still was able comfortably work with no issues.
I had plenty of issues with laptops having their ports on the back side (damaged power jacks, whacked Ethernet ports, etc). And the 3 USB ports on the right have a decent spacing between them (I can plug 3 USB sticks at once without them touching each other).
I also like to rest my hands outside of the keyboard, but the palmrest is so convenient and spacey...

Again, it's good to hear different preferences and opinions -
helps others to see things more clearly.

 

Does it have USB3.0? Firewire800?

Does it have dual HDD bays? Does it have only 2 RAM slots?

Gorgeous machine.

 

Yes
Dunno; I should; edit: seems No
No, but you can convert your DVD bay
No, if you get a quad processor you get 4
It is, isn't it!

 

It has a 1394a port, so it's a Firewire 400 (enhanced though). 1394b it's the Firewire 800 port.

 

Interesting...you only get 4 ram slots with a quad core processor? Is it a completely different mobo?
I recall that the M6500 which has 4 ram slots uses a desktop-laptop hybrid mobo.

 

That's standard --- the M6500 also comes with 2/4 memory slots for dual/quad core cpus.

 

Have you tried any games?

 

it should game about the same as a single mr5870

 

Crysis, King's Bounty TAP, Bioshock, Empire Total War - run smooth maxed out (Crysis on high) with a little lag in King's B. (driver related). The temps always stay under 86C (max peak). Normal gaming temps - 70-75C.

Totally new experience in terms of colors even compared to the M17x RGB LED.

More tests will come. But it looks like the card performs as a true MR5870.

 

Dang Man, nice review and I also give props to M80 and Notebookgrail for the awesome pictures. Man you IT guys with credentials put on a nice review for us newbies . LMAO and I agree with you fully, the price is bonkers :laugh:

Yeah I've been chilling, i had to reinstall windows 7 for my desktop because aparently my gfx card decided not to cooperate when I was gaming (even though I had the recommended spec's) it decided to shut down so I had no video..then I just unplugged my pc and turned it on and boom BSOD :twicty: So i had to clean install win 7..and look at how much space I have... end of rant

Anyway how are u pplz doing this fine day? I haven't been on due to the awesome fun I had (being sarcastic, but the picnic and adventure around a park and playing cricket was fun).

Aikimox.....guess what...I still don't have a laptop yet >.>

 

I share some of these concerns, wouldn't a docking station improve this issue? Is OP considering a docking station?

I would love to see this notebook in person before dropping bills, anywhere?

Is it true that its screen really needs to be seen in person to justify system cost? Is it simply a joy to use with infinite eye candy or is it not such a significant difference in practical use? On one hand one could buy both the top pre-configured 8540w & 2740p for its cost or the other hand that once you use this you won't want to use another as the experience is so vastly superior?

Can it really be called mobile in 2010 with 1-2 hours battery life?

I've been looking for a new solid notebook that will last for awhile, waiting for something better to come along but the DC2 has my attention again, if I could see it in person it would be easier to make proper decisions..

Appreciate constructive feedback,