by Jerry Jackson
The Dell Studio XPS 16 is designed for those who want power, cutting-edge features, and style. If you're someone who likes to make a statement with your notebook, the metal and leather looks of the Studio XPS 16 will help you in that area too. Sleek design combined with a 1080p display and powerful components come together to make for an awesome notebook. But is the Studio XPS 16 compelling enough to make shoppers spend some extra cash during tough economic times? Let's take a closer look and find out.
Our review unit of the Dell Studio XPS 16 features the following configuration:
- Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz)
- Memory: 4GB - 2DIMM DDR3
- HDD: 320GB 7200rpm
- Graphics: ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 (512MB)
- Display: 16.0" 1080p Full HD RGBLED LCD with 2.0 MP Webcam
- Optical Drive: 4X Blu-ray Disc Combo Drive (DVD/CD +/- RW +BD Read)
- OS: Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 (64 bit)
- Software: 15-month Trend Micro security subscription, Microsoft Works 9
- Wireless: Intel Wireless 5100
- Mediabay: 8-in-1 Media Card Reader
- Battery: 6-cell and 9-cell batteries
- Other: Facial Recognition Security; Dell Dock; Dell Video Chat; 2GB Data Safe Online
- Dimensions: 0.95"-1.34" x 15.15" x 10.02" with 6-cell battery (H x W x D)
- Weight: 6.53 lbs with 6-cell battery
- Price as configured: $1,804 (Starting price: $1,199)
Build and Design
Dell has successfully managed to turn around its corporate image over the last year or two. During the first half of this decade most consumers criticized Dell for making heavy, thick, and boxy laptops that offered great value but where short on style. While Dell sales floundered several companies like HP, Apple, and Sony made significant market gains by developing sleek notebooks that offered a more "personalized" appearance. Dell started to change all that in late 2007 with the XPS M1330 followed by more attractive notebooks in the XPS, Inspiron and Studio notebook lines. Following the huge success of the XPS line, Dell is now making the XPS brand a "modifier" for all their notebooks. In other words, you could buy a nice Studio 15 notebook or get better performance, superior build quality and more style with the new Studio XPS 16.
The first time you look at the Studio XPS 16 it's clear that this is something entirely new for Dell. They've taken the sleek lines and brushed aluminum accents from the XPS line and combined it with the multimedia features and a few chassis design elements from the Studio line to create a solid desktop replacement. I use the term "desktop replacement" because most people in the market for a 16-inch notebook aren't planning to haul their notebook everywhere and use it during regular airline travel.
What the Studio XPS 16 lacks in mobility it more than makes up for in solid design and construction. As mentioned above, the Studio XPS 16 takes several design elements from the latest XPS notebooks: the wedge-shaped profile, drop hinge, slot-loading optical drive, and touch-sensitive media buttons are all hallmarks of the XPS M1330 and M1530. That said, there's more to the Studio XPS 16 than just design elements from other Dell notebooks.
Another nice touch is the use of leather on the lid over the hinge area. We've seen leather-wrapped notebooks before, but this subtle use of leather looks a little more appealing and might even be practical. Since many people carry their laptops in their hand with the hinges pointed down this leather area provides a soft, textured surface for you to hold and keep a tight grip on your notebook.
In terms of overall chassis construction the Studio XPS 16 is quite solid and suffers from virtually no flex or creaks when squeezed and twisted between your hands. Construction is mostly magnesium alloy and some plastic with brushed aluminum accents around the hinges and the outer edge of the notebook. The Studio XPS 16 isn't quite as rugged as the Dell Latitude or Precision business notebooks but it should survive a drop from your desk without significant damage.The one design element I have mixed feelings about is the bottom access panel. Rather than have the typical RAM cover, hard drive cover, and main panel on the bottom of the notebook, the Studio XPS 16 uses a single, massive panel that provides access to all of the notebook at once. While this is helpful for those people who want to make multiple modifications or service their notebook it also means you have to remove 10 screws from the bottom of the notebook just to upgrade the RAM.
Screen
The 16.0" 1080p Full HD RGBLED display is, in a word, gorgeous. Unlike standard LCD technology used in most notebooks, the RGBLED LCD offers richer, deeper colors and excellent contrast that make it ideal for watching HD movies from the built-in Blu-ray player or for editing high-resolution photos from your digital camera.
The 1920 x 1080 screen on our review unit looks beautiful from straight on and has fantastic horizontal viewing angles so you can easily watch a Blu-ray movie with three or more of your friends sitting around you. Backlighting was mostly even across the surface of the screen in our review unit. Upper vertical viewing angles are good, but colors did begin to invert at lower viewing angles when the screen is tilted back. That said, unless you plan to view your laptop's screen from the floor looking up this won't be a problem.
What might be a problem is the fact that Dell only offers the Studio XPS 16 with a "frameless" glossy display ... the type that uses a separate glossy protective layer in front of the actual display panel. This gives the screen a very modern look, but the trade-off is a signficant amount of reflections on the surface of the screen under strong indoor lights. Outdoors under direct sunlight the screen reflections are so strong it can be extremely difficult to see anything on the screen.
If you keep your office lights dim or live in your parents' basement with the lights turned off this won't be a problem.
Keyboard, Touchpad and Media Controls
The keyboard on the Studio XPS 16 is one of the nicer keyboards I've used on a desktop replacement notebook. The keyboard is firm with only a minor bit of flex detected near the "Enter" key. All the keys have excellent travel and cushion. Unlike the Studio 17, which featured a dedicated number pad, the fullsize keyboard on the Studio XPS 16 looks smaller than it actually is thanks to the massive speaker grills located on either size of the keyboard (more on that later). The only complaint some may have is that the keys are "flatter" than the ones used on other Dell notebooks, so touch typists might have a learning curve when using this notebook. The keyboard also features a nice white LED backlight function when you're typing in the dark.
The Synatics touchpad works well enough, though it seems a little on the small side given the size of the notebook. The mouse buttons have excellent travel and cushion when pressed. The good news with the touchpad is that it's responsive, has dedicated scroll areas and the glossy textured feel is extremely good.
A series of touch-sensitive media buttons with white LED backlights are located above the keyboard similar to the buttons on the Dell Studio 17. The media button LEDs stay lit constantly rather than turning off after a fraction of a second, so they might distract you and reduce battery life by staying lit all the time.
Ports and Features
The port selection on the Studio XPS 16 is quite good for a notebook of this size and even has a few surprises. Here's a quick rundown of what you get:
Front: Indicator lights and IR port.
Rear: No ports, just battery and heat exhaust.
Left: Security lock slot, VGA, TV tuner antenna jack (under rubber cover), Ethernet, DisplayPort, HDMI, two USB, microphone jack and two headphone jacks.
Right: ExpressCard slot, card reader, FireWire, slot-loading optical drive, combo USB/eSATA port, and power jack.The built-in HDMI is a very nice thing to have for those that want digital video and audio output. That said, I'm a little sad to see no lugs/screw posts for the VGA cable. While the lack of posts makes the VGA connection look "cleaner" it isn't convenient for people who regularly leave their notebook connected to an external monitor. On the plus side, the addition of DisplayPort makes up for any complaints I might have about video outputs on this machine.
With FireWire, three USB ports (including one combo USB/eSATA port), a media card reader, two headphone jacks, microphone jack, ExpressCard slot and Ethernet port you're well equipped ports wise.
Some of our editorial staff are huge fans of slot-loading drives and while I think these drives look amazing, I'm not entirely sold on the technology. Slot loading drives don't like small DVDs or CDs like those you sometimes receive with hardware drivers or in the mail. Another issue is that slot-loading drives tend to be a bit more noisy than traditional tray-type drives. While the drive in the Studio XPS 16 is one of the quietest slot-loading drive I've seen (or heard) it still makes more noise than a quiet tray-loading drive.
Speakers
The speaker quality was extremely good compared to most notebooks thanks to the two large stereo speakers and built-in subwoofer. If you aren't an audiophile then you'll probably find the built-in speakers and subwoofer provide a fantastic range of highs, midtones, and deep bass. These speakers are more than enough to enjoy a feature film or share the audio from a webcast in a large office. While listening to some "Chad Vader" clips on YouTube it sounded like Chad was in the room talking to me.
The speakers for the Studio XPS 16 are located on either side of the keyboard next to the top two rows of keys. The speaker grill surface extends to cover the entire height of the keyboard, and it seems like Dell designers could have done something more with this extra space rather than just put empty speaker grills next to the keyboard.
Performance and Benchmarks
At the end of the day the most important parts of a laptop are the internal components that do all the work. Our review unit came equipped with the Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 processor (2.4GHz) which offers excellent performance in terms of number crunching and video encoding. The 4GB of DDR3 system RAM is enough to satisfy Vista and still provide enough RAM for most needs. The 320GB Seagate Momentus 7200.3 hard disk drive (HDD) in our review unit offers good reliability and excellent performance.
The Studio XPS 16 comes with a significant amount of software pre-installed that could be called bloatware. The numerous proprietary Dell applications and security software tends to slow the system down during the initial startup and sometimes makes life a little more complicated if you're used to managing your power or wireless settings within Windows and a Dell program overrides your changes.
The ATI Radeon HD 3670 dedicated graphics card provides enough power for just about any gaming or 3D graphics work, so everyone from average users to hardcore gamers should have something to like here. The synthetic benchmarks listed below will give you some idea of how this system performs compared to other systems on the market.
WPrime 32M comparison results
WPrime is a benchmark similar to Super Pi in that it forces the processor to do intense mathematical calculations, but the difference is this application is multi-threaded and represents dual core processors better. Lower numbers indicate better performance.
Notebook Time Dell Studio XPS 16 (Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.4GHz) 31.827s HP HDX 18t (Core 2 Duo T9600 @ 2.8GHz) 27.416s Sony VAIO FW (Core 2 Duo T9400 @ 2.53GHz) 30.373s Dell Studio 17 (2.5GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, Windows Vista SP1) 31.574s Asus M70S (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, Windows Vista) 31.132s Toshiba Satellite L355D (2.0GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60, Windows Vista) 39.732s Gateway P-171XL FX (2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo X7900, Windows Vista) 30.359s Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, Windows Vista) 31.108s Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Windows Vista) 42.085s Lenovo ThinkPad T60 (Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T7400@ 2.16GHz, Windows XP) 41.40s HP dv6000z (AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60 @ 2.00GHz, Windows Vista) 38.913s
PCMark05 comparison results:PCMark05 represents the overall system performance of a notebook. Higher numbers indicate better performance.
Notebook PCMark05 Score Dell Studio XPS 16 (2.4GHz Intel P8600, ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 512MB) 6,303 PCMarks HP HDX 18t (2.8GHz Intel T9600, Nvidia 9600M GT 512MB) 6,587 PCMarks Sony VAIO FW (2.53GHz Intel T9400, ATI Radeon HD 3470) 6,002 PCMarks Dell Studio 17 (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650) 5,982 PCMarks Asus M70S (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650) 6,135 PCMarks Toshiba Satellite L355D (2.0GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60, ATI Radeon X1250) 3,305 PCMarks Gateway P-171XL FX (2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo X7900, NVIDIA Go 8800M GTS) 7,749 PCMarks Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, NVIDIA Go 8600M GT) 5,865 PCMarks Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA Go 8600M GT) 5,261 PCMarks Dell Inspiron 1720 (2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8600M GT) 5,377 PCMarks
3DMark06 comparison results:3DMark06 represents the overall graphics performance of a notebook. Higher numbers indicate better performance.
Notebook 3DMark06 Score Dell Studio XPS 16 (2.4GHz Intel P8600, ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 512MB) 4,855 3DMarks HP HDX 18t (2.8GHz Intel T9600, Nvidia 9600M GT 512MB) 4,127 3DMarks Sony VAIO FW (2.53GHz Intel T9400, ATI Radeon HD 3470) 2,598 3DMarks Dell Studio 17 (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650) 2,974 3DMarks Asus M70S (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650) 3,799 3DMarks Toshiba Satellite L355D (2.0GHz AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60, ATI Radeon X1250) 301 3DMarks Gateway P-171XL FX (2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Duo X7900, NVIDIA Go 8800M GTS) 8,801 3DMarks Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.50GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300, NVIDIA Go 8600M GT) 3,775 3DMarks Toshiba Qosmio G45 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA Go 8600M GT) 2,934 3DMarks Dell Inspiron 1720 (2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8600M GT) 2,930 3DMarks All of the 3DMark06 scores for all of the systems listed above were run at 1280 x 800 or 1280 x 768 resolution. For those interested in the performance at full 1920 x 1080 resolution, the Studio XPS 16 produced a 3DMark06 score of 3,501 3DMarks.
Heat and Noise
If the Studio XPS 16 has an Achilles' Heel it might be heat. Our review unit gets quite hot whenever the processor or graphics card are working hard. After running multiple benchmarks and watching 30 minutes of a Blu-Ray movie the Studio XPS 16 got uncomfortably hot ... the kind of heat that will make your legs sweat under your jeans. Granted, our test configuration has a powerful processor and dedicated graphics card that can both generate significant heat, but the system fan just didn't seem to pull heat away from the notebook. Bottom line, if you are sensative to laptop heat then high-end configurations of this notebook might be a little too hot to use as a "laptop." The temperatures listed below are in degrees Fahrenheit.
As mentioned previously, noise wasn't much of an issue with the Studio XPS 16. The slot-loading optical drive made some noise when inserting or ejecting a disk but it was one of the quietest slot-loading drives we've had in our office. The hard drive was likewise quiet and it seems as if Dell has done a good job finding ways to minimize the noise coming from the hard drive. The cooling fan was quiet, but considering how hot this notebook got during our tests we would have tolerated more fan noise if it meant a cooler lap.
Battery Life
The Studio XPS 16 comes with either a 6-cell battery or a 9-cell extended-life battery. The 9-cell lithium-ion battery provides excellent battery life at the expense of a slightly larger and heavier notebook. With Vista's power management running in "balanced" mode, screen brightness set to 80 percent and wireless on, the 9-cell battery delivered 2 hours and 50 minutes of battery life. The 6-cell battery, as expected, produced about 2/3 as much battery life ... coming in at just under two hours.
While these numbers might not be as impressive as what you get on smaller laptops, this is reasonably good for a 16-inch desktop replacement notebook.
Conclusion
Anyone looking for a cutting-edge multimedia notebook should instantly fall in love with the Dell Studio XPS 16. The stylish design and solid build quality combined with excellent performance and great features make this one of the better desktop replacements for consumers. That said, all this style and power comes at a price ... both literally and figuratively. Not only is the Studio XPS line priced above the Inspiron and current Studio lines but the Studio XPS 16 only offers glossy screens which are sometimes extremely difficult to view under direct sunlight. The system also gets extremely hot because of all the hardware packed inside, and the pre-loaded bloatware might be frustrating to some owners.
Still, the Dell Studio XPS 16 is one of the better choices among 16-inch multimedia notebooks.
Pros:
- Excellent build quality
- Nice keyboard
- Solid performance as configured
- 1080p display with excellent color and contrast
- Good port selection
Cons:
- Glossy screen with glossy protective layer
- Gets a little too hot
- Battery life okay but not great
- Pre-loaded bloatware helpful to some, annoying to everyone else
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Jerry Jackson Administrator NBR Reviewer
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But the sound option on the Dell's site has HD Audio 2.0 by default, do I need those sound blaster upgrade options to enjoy the 5.1 speakers in the laptop? -
Looks good, I'm especially surprised by the 3670, seems like it's going to be faster than the 9600m gt after all...
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If it's not too much of a hassle, can you please run 3DMark06 at 1280x1024? That's technically the default testing resolution and I'd like to see how well it holds up to the 9600M GT with GDDR3 (~5100-5200).
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I thought the GDDR3 9600M GT scored in the 5300-5600 region.
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Yes, Fahrenheit. If your notebook gets to the point where it can boil water, there's something serious wrong.
Still, 100 degrees F at the palm rest area is a bit high.
P9500/T9300-9500 = 5300-5400
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To be honest, its 3DMark06 score is a little disappointing. The XPS m1530 only scores a little lower and costs a lot less. Also a bit worried about the heat issue.
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the benchmarks is ran at 1280*1024 i assume, since the laptop support that resolution.
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Can't wait to see gaming benchmarks of the 3670!
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NBR uses 1280 by 800 no matter what.
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i think the question is, how is it that my 8600GT scores in the 4700 region but is equivalent to a 9500GS and yet the 9600GT only scores int he 5100-5500 region
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OT-I am quite surprised with this notebook!It looks good,offers nice spec./price ration,etc. but it weights a lot!Still,Jerry,have you seen MacBook Pro in person?if yes,which one has a better screen? -
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Looks a bit like a Vaio dressed in leather.
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9600m GTs can easily be overclocked to 6000+ without breaking a sweat. Heck, the 9700m GTs (same thing) start at just under 6000.
Yes 3Dmark06 is not reliable but a whole 30~40% different?! Whew... Thank goodness I didn't wait for this. -
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Can't wait for the 1340 review. Would like to see some gaming results between the 3670 and the 9500GS in the 1340.
From notebookcheck.net (I know it's not accurate but, I think it gives a good overall look) the 9500 GS is faster than the 8600 GT.
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Besides having to take the whole bottom panel to upgrade RAM and what-not, all I can really say is:
That keyboard is really flat!
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Is 9500m GS still on 80nm?
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i wonder if this laptop can now output 5.1 sound (dts & dd5.1) over hdmi as it has the new Ati graphic card.......
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a good looking egg cooker
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I actually like the big single bezel ... would make it a lot easier for upgrades, cleaning, etc.
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I'm surprised as I was expecting a DellBookPro with a 9400M/9600GT combo.
Pretty nice system at a price that doesn't make me cringe.
The worst thing I'd have to say about it though is if they're going to offer the 3000 series ATI when MSI and ASUS are already offering the 4000 series then they should have released back in November of last year like they were supposed to.
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hey check out the video card section on the UK site,its written ASUS on the video card image
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Nice review, can't wait to see 1340 reviewed
But, there are two (or maybe later more than two) things that make this laptop "not acceptable" for me, first is temperature, this thing has a 16" chasis, so why the hell it's so hot?? And the second and more important (to me) thing is, that why there are no ports on the backside of laptop?? Yes, i agree that this design makes laptop thinner in back side, but if i imagine, that all my USB, sound and express card-tv tuner's cables must go almost all around the laptop and back side of laptop is completely empty, i'm getting a little angry on Dell engineers...at least the power jack, ethernet and 2 USB ports should be on back side...for devices that are not so frequently replaced. Why all of manufacturers do this and practicaly kill the back side of laptop??
I though that this should be my next laptop after my Inspiron 1520, but now i think that i will go with some desktop and a smaller laptop like new XPS 1340 (then the bad port alocation wouldn't be such a problem for me).
Oh, and i almost forgot to mention the graphics of this thing...ATI HD3670?? Why?? Why not rather nVidia 9600M GT/9700M GT(S) with integrated 9400M connected in Hybrid SLI?? Should have much power, and also when running on battery it should save some power when it disconnect the dedicated card...
As i'm reading the review, i can't help myself, but this laptop starts look like one bad thing after another...is this Dells revenge to us for something?? -
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My first reaction to that keyboard: VAIO. lol
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Am i right?
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The heat sink is puny and too much aluminium.
Good to hear that the screen is RGB LED screen gorgeous.
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The design is nice but it's too 'fingerprint magnet' for me while the 3670 card is low by XPS standards, especially when Asus hurried to get its N series laptops with 4xxx video cards so fast on the market.
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what are the chip audio and the chip of firewire?
is possibile to prove DPC LATENCY in this notebook?
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My overclocked DDR2 8600M GT scores that on a T7500 in 3dMark06 at 1280x800. That's bad, really bad, for a flagship Studio XPS notebook.
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I'm really liking this machine. Sleek, powerful... epic.
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Velocity Micro is a PC manufacturer. Trend Micro is a security product manufacturer. Needs to be fixed.
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aluminum accents + plastic + leather accents = ugly.
and leather? do i really need cow hide mixing with my technology? no thanks.
they could have provided another 1-2GB of memory or battery upgrade for the cost of the crappy accents. is it a purse or computer? a car or a laptop? ever hear of less is more? we don't all want neon lights under our cars or spinner hubcaps. dell's taken the fairly clean looking studio 15/17 and turned it into an ugly gm car from the 80s. the studio was aimed at designers, can't see them biting on this. i would have strongly considered the 16" model as my second computer, but no way now. -
well some people digg it while others dont,personal choice i guess
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You can get the same thing from the sony FW for 1549 (DDR2 and with Sony Fullhd screen, don't know how that compares)
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921665519347
Pricing and heat dissapoint though i haven't seen the heat from a sony with blu ray.
Though i guess sony Service is horrible compared to dell.
7200 rpm hard drive might have something to do with the heat.
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1>Some people just love the bling of the object.I actually know people who' say 'We love vista','Vista is the best OS out there'...etc
2>These people will pay through their noses for this bling
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Nice Screen, Good News that RGB LED LCD is becoming the standard.
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I have been waiting around for the 16 to come out, as I am in the market for a desktop replacement and the new 16" category is probably where I will end up.
I have to say that I am a little disappointed. I really want to like it, and overall it looks good...but...
1. I hate glossy screens. I have a old Inspiron 6000D with one of those somewhat rare 1920x1200 matte screens and I love it. My wife's glossy HP drives me nuts. I hate looking at myself in the screen. If the 16 is somewhat "extra" glossy, then that makes me pause. Perhaps a screen cover?
2. That heat issue sounds problematic. While I don't use my laptop on my lap that much, you never want a laptop that can double as a toaster. Sounds like a little bit of bad thermal design.
3. The leather band is a bit of a turn off. Yes, it gives it a different feel, but I have this feeling that it will wear through or tear and then it will look like crap.
4. I love having ports on the back. At the very least, power should be in the rear.
Dell Studio XPS 16 Review
Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by Jerry Jackson, Jan 8, 2009.