Dell Latitude D830 Review

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by Derek Lim

Overview

The Dell Latitude D830 is the successor to the Latitude D820, a mid sized business notebook with a 15.4&quot; screen and the new Santa Rosa platform. Weighing in at nearly six pounds it tips the scales at the upper end of the thin-and-light category. Pricing as of this writing starts at $899, and like most Dell notebooks there are plenty of customization options available.

Specifications

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My Latitude D830 is configured as such:

• Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, 2.00GHz
• 15.4 inch Wide Screen WUXGA LCD
• 2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM, 2 DIMM
• 256MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M
• 80GB Hard Drive 9.5MM 7200RPM
• 90W AC Adapter
• 8X DVD+/-RW w/ Roxio Creator and Cyberlink
• Intel 4965 WLAN (802.11a/g/n)
• 9-Cell/85 WHr Primary Battery
• 6-Cell/48-WHr Modular Battery
• Vista Business, with media English
• Dimensions are 1.39&quot; x 14.2&quot; x 10.34&quot;
• Weight is 6.5lbs with 9-cell battery and optical drive

Reason for Buying

When I began looking for a laptop nearly a month ago my primary objective was to find a solid machine that would last me through four years of college. My last notebook was an old Inspiron 500m which I deemed sufficiently thin-and-light for heavy travel and light tasks so I began looking into a larger, more powerful machine though I did not want a full-out desktop replacement. As this notebook would also be a graduation gift, price was not an object and I wanted something that was really something!

Being a long time Dell user, my initial inclination was towards a Dell, but I looked into machines of other brands as well. HP and Asus dropped out early on due to cosmetic preferences, but I put some consideration on the 14 and 15 inch Lenovo T60 series.

A few of my friends own older Thinkpad models and have nothing but praise for them. Indeed, Lenovo is known for superior build quality though typically at a price. By all means the T60 is a beautiful machine, but I was put off by a couple of small details. My biggest qualm is that I cannot stand having a battery stick out. Apparently that seems to be the current trend with a lot of smaller machines sporting bigger batteries and the 14-inch T60 was no exception. I wasn't terribly fond of the port configuration either, particularly the positioning of display and telecom ports on the side of the chassis and the lack of an S-video output. The small touchpad and some very minor aesthetic points also put me off. The 15 inch T60 was a bit better but it still lacked an s-video output and was a tad bit too heavy.

Subsequently I went to Dell. After deciding against Inspiron and XPS notebooks - I hated those big white Inspiron bumpers and there isn't a 14 or 15 inch XPS - my choices came down to the Latitude D630, D830 and Precision M65. The D630 was the thin-and-light of the group but suffered from the same issue as the 14 inch T60 in that the battery stuck out and it was missing an S-video port. Reviews I read about the D630 also mentioned poor sound and a loose battery. The D830 addressed most of my concerns with the D630 but I fretted over the weight of a 15 inch notebook. After changing my mind several times, the D830 finally won me over.

Up and running (view large image)

Shopping

After deciding on a machine I poked around the Internet for coupons and discounts, though I did not find many for the Latitude line. I did discover that Dell was offering $400 off the price of each Latitude configured over $1,600 and figured it wouldn't get much better than that. Dell's customization and order process is very straightforward and I made sure to spend plenty of time agonizing over choices like integrated versus discrete graphics or 9-cell versus 6-cell batteries. All in all it was a smooth and pleasant shopping experience. The machine arrived just over a week after I ordered it.

First Impression

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The computer shipped with everything shown here. The container was divided into two sections, a cardboard container for the power supply, media bay battery, resource disks and documentation and a styrofoam crate for the actual computer. I was actually somewhat surprised that the notebook came with printed documentation; the last few Dell machines my family bought came with a short pamphlet telling you how to plug in the computer in several different languages.

When I first pulled the D830 out of its protective envelope boy was I impressed. Things have changed since the days of my 500m. I expected the build quality to be good, but it was unexpectedly good. It's really quite solid. It's also very pleasant to look at it; I think the rather subdued appearance is much nicer than the flashy white-bumper Inspiron.

Construction

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When I first opened up the machine I found the hinges quite stiff with pretty much no play. The outer shell of the notebook is made of a magnesium alloy though the inner surfaces are still made of plastic. The chassis has no flex whatsoever; I can pick it up by a corner without a problem. Unfortunately though there is a bit of flex in the screen and palmrest, but it is much less than that of older Dell machines. The latch is a bit loose but the travel is very small. The overall build quality might not be on par with that of the Thinkpad series but it is getting close.

The front of the notebook is clean of features save the latch.

Front (view large image)

The right side houses the optical drive and two USB ports. The optical drive can be removed and replaced with the media bay battery while the computer is on; it acts like a plug and play device.

Right (view large image)

The left side has an air vent, an IEEE 1394 port, mic and headset jacks, ExpressCard and PC card slots and something called a wifi-catcher which tells you whether you're in range of a wireless network. It is triggered by the small switch to the left.

Left (view large image)

The back of the notebook has Ethernet, S-video, USB, modem, serial, VGA and power ports. Another USB port would have been nice; even the D630 has four.

Back (view large image)

Finally, on the bottom of the machine you can see the battery, StrikeZone, memory cover, fan vent and docking port, but the primary battery is actually a tad bit loose, though I didn't notice until I took it out and put it back in. The media bay battery fits nice and tight.

Bottom (view large image)

Like I said before, I'm very fond of the somewhat simplistic Latitude design. Save for the small curves that make up the corners of the machine the lines of the laptop are straight and parallel forming a nearly rectangular solid. I think this gives it a more rugged and balanced appearance than wedge shaped notebooks which seem to be appearing more and more these days. The two tone color scheme also contributes to the smart appearance of a business laptop.

Input Devices

The keyboard looks like a typical Dell keyboard; it's very similar in appearance to the keyboard on my 500m. I found that the keyboard is generally more pleasant to use; the keys have a slightly greater travel and a greater amount of feedback as well. There isn't any flex in the keyboard as far as I can tell, though I am not a terribly hard typist. Overall it's a decent keyboard, good, but nothing special.

The touchpad feels the same as the one on my 500m. It's responsive and easy to use, but again, nothing terribly special. I really like the buttons under the touchpad. Instead of having a short, hard click the D830 has buttons that have a longer, softer click to them which I just find to be rather nice. The same can be said for the power button and media buttons.

I don't use a pointing stick very often; in fact there isn't one on my 500m, but I found it to be less responsive than the touchpad and harder to use. I tended to overshoot where I was aiming much of the time. It may just be because I don't have much experience with the trackpoint. The buttons for the trackpoint are the same as those for the touchpad with that same long, soft click.

I don't like having a bunch of multimedia buttons cluttering up the front of my computer, so I am glad that the D830 only has three. There are three buttons to control the speaker volume: higher, lower and mute.

Keyboard, touchpad, trackball and media buttons (view large image)

Display

According to the various reviews I read, the D820 seemed to have a rather lacking screen and I was afraid this problem would carry over to the D830. Initially I felt that my fears had come true, but after further consideration and comparison, I find that the screen is quite nice, though it's certainly not perfect.

One of the first things I noticed when I turned on the computer was the unusually large amount of light leakage coming from the bottom of the screen. With both screens set to a blank screen saver under identical lighting conditions the screen on the D830 shows somewhat more light leakage than the screen on the 500m. In the following picture the D830 is on the left and the 500m is on the right.

A comparison of light leakage (view large image)

However, once it's up and running, the D830's screen is noticeably brighter than that of the 500m; you can tell by just how much more light it throws on the keyboard. Again, the D830 is on the left and the 500m is on the right.

A comparison of screen brightness (view large image)

Concerning viewing angles; the horizontal viewing angles are pretty good, but the vertical viewing angles leave something to be desired. This seems to be the case with most laptops I've used though.

Horizontal viewing angles (view large image)

The fuzziness in the pictures is generated by my poor picture taking skills, but I'd like to mention that I am not using the native resolution. The icon and taskbar sizes at the native resolution were too small for my eyes so I had to revert to a lesser resolution.

Vertical viewing angles (view large image)

I've heard numerous comments about the screen being &quot;washed out&quot; and colors being &quot;faded&quot;, but unless I'm running on batteries and thus, less than full brightness, I don't find any of these to be problems, Even without any sort of brightness or contrast tweaks the screen is quite useable and ultimately the high amounts of light leakage don't seem to affect the performance of the display.

Screen at half brightness (view large image)

Sound

One of the reasons I turned down the D630 was a that speaker quality was reported to be pretty bad. I usually use headphones when listening to movies or music but I'd like to have a decent set of speakers for the rare times I don't. That being said, the speakers on the D830 are pretty good as far as laptop speakers go. Being set on the sides of the keyboard means they are quite clear when I am sitting at machine and the sound carries itself pretty well even across the length of a living room. The sound does start getting fuzzy at really high volumes, but my ears usually start to ring before it gets to that point.

Processor and Graphics

In high school I did quite a bit of CAD work on my 500m for my school's robotics team. Autodesk Inventor 8 took more than a minute to load. Inventor 10 took twice that and ran at a crawl once it started. It was rather frustrating. As I would be majoring in engineering in college, I figured I could use a discrete graphics solution which led me to select the NVS 140 GPU as I read that it was optimized for &quot;business&quot; applications such as CAD. I have not done anything GPU intensive since purchasing this machine so I'm not certain about the real world performance of the NVS 140.

The single core AMD Barton processor in my desktop is clocked at 2.3GHz and I have not known it to really struggle with anything I threw at it. Subsequently I did not think I'd need the fastest processor I could get and went with the 2.0 GHz Intel T7300 because it was a nice round number. Recently I needed to do a fair amount of video encoding and I split the task between the D830 and my desktop. I daresay I was somewhat surprised as to how much faster the T7300 was compared to the older AMD processor. Encoding a certain video file was nearly twice as fast on the D830. I guess there's no doubt that multiple cores are the wave of the future.

Operating System and Software

I'll come right out and say that I'm not very fond of Vista. I'm even less fond of the fact that Microsoft really isn't giving me a choice as to what OS I want to use. I bought my D830 with Vista in the event that I would be forced to upgrade in the near future but with the intention of using XP until then. I chose Vista Business because it is supposed to be the Vista equivalent of XP Pro which I have been happily using for a long time.

Vista came preinstalled along with Roxio Creator and Cyberlink, neither of which I need or use.

While waiting for my D830 I learned that Dell's stock drivers for the NVS 140 were rather poor. Indeed, there was a noticeable amount of lag every couple seconds when opening and closing tabs or moving windows around. It was recommended that I should use Nvidia's Forceware drivers in place of the stock drivers, so I looked around for a compatible version. Revision 160.05 did not officially supporting the NVS 140, but it definitely improved my system's graphical performance. It was not free of problems though; I noticed that standby stopped working properly after the driver update and I'm sure there were bugs that I did not notice.

Afterwards Vista ran quite smoothly. A cold boot took just under a minute.

Installing a fresh copy of XP was a pain. My XP installation CD cannot recognize SATA drivers. I had to switch the HDD controller to ATA mode, install the OS, install the SATA drivers and switch the HDD controller back to its default setting. Dell's resource CD only included drivers for Vista so I downloaded XP drivers for the D830 from Dell's technical support site. Some of these XP drivers did not want to work with my machine and I had to use the corresponding Vista drivers. All in all the installation process took a full morning, but I eventually got the system in working order with Windows XP.

Benchmarks and Performance

All benchmarks, unless otherwise stated, were run under the preinstalled Vista configuration using stock drivers.

Super Pi

Super Pi comparison results:

Notebook	Time
Dell Latitude D830 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300)	0m 59s
Fujitsu E8410 (2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500)	0m 55s
Sony VAIO FZ (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300)	0m 59s
Dell XPS M1330 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300)	0m 58s
Lenovo ThinkPad X61 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300)	1m 01s
Lenovo 3000 V200 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300)	0m 59s
HP dv2500t (1.80GHz Intel 7100)	1m 09s
Lenovo ThinkPad T61 (2.00GHz Core 2 Duo Intel T7300)	0m 59s
Lenovo ThinkPad T60 (2.00GHz Core 2 Duo T7200)	1m 03s
Toshiba Satellite P205-S6287 (1.73 GHz Core 2 Duo Intel T5300)	1m 24s
Toshiba Satellite A205 (1.66GHz Core 2 Duo)	1m 34s

 

PCMark05 comparison results:

Notebook	PCMark05 Score
Dell Latitude D830 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Nvidia Quadro NVS 140m 256MB)	4,690 PCMarks
Fujitsu E8410 (2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, NVIDIA 8400M G)	4,618 PCMarks
Sony VAIO FZ (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100)	3,377 PCMarks
Dell XPS M1330 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8400M GS)	4,591 PCMarks
Lenovo ThinkPad X61 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100)	4,153 PCMarks
Lenovo 3000 V200 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100)	3,987 PCMarks
Lenovo T60 Widescreen (2.0GHz Intel T7200, ATI X1400 128MB)	4,189 PCMarks
HP dv6000t (2.16GHz Intel T7400, NVIDA GeForce Go 7400)	4,234 PCMarks
Fujitsu N6410 (1.66GHz Core Duo, ATI X1400)	3,487 PCMarks
Sony Vaio SZ-110B in Speed Mode (Using Nvidia GeForce Go 7400)	3,637 PCMarks

 

3DMark05 comparison results:

Notebook	3D Mark 05 Results
Dell Latitude D830 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Nvidia Quadro NVS 140m 256MB)	984 3DMarks *
Dell Latitude D830 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Nvidia Quadro NVS 140m 256MB)	3,063 3DMarks **
Fujitsu E8410 (2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, NVIDIA 8400M)	1,925 3DMarks
Sony VAIO FZ (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, Intel X3100)	910 3DMarks
Dell XPS M1330 (2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7300, NVIDIA GeForce Go 8400M GS 128MB)	3,116 3DMarks
HP Compaq 6510b (2.20GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500, Intel X3100)	916 3DMarks
HP dv6000t (2.16 GHz Intel T7400, NVIDA GeForce Go 7400)	2,013 3D Marks
Dell Inspiron e1705 (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1400)	1,791 3D Marks
Acer TravelMate 8204WLMi (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1600 256MB)	4,236 3DMarks
Lenovo ThinkPad T60 (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1400 128MB)	2,092 3D Marks
Fujitsu n6410 (1.66 GHz Core Duo, ATI X1400 128MB)	2,273 3DMarks

* Score achieved using stock drivers and software delivered from Dell

** My second 3DMark05 score was achieved after updating the NVS 140 to Nvidia Forceware driver 160.05. This update also raised my Windows Aero score to 3.4, but did not seem to affect my PCMark05 score. Furthermore, a fresh installation of Windows XP using the same drivers did not significantly change either score.

Windows Experience Index Results

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Heat and Noise

When the laptop is idling it is very quiet. I can only hear it if I try to. When going about my normal business, it's very easy to ignore. Under a heavy load such as video encoding or benchmarking, the fan will start running at higher speeds. At this point a significant amount of noise is generated, but I believe it is from the moving air rather than the fan itself. Also, the optical drive makes a bit of noise when it is running, though that is pretty typical for optical drives in general.

When the laptop is idling it is also quite cool. The lower half of the keyboard and palmrest stays at room temperature while the upper half just gets a tad bit warmer. Under a heavy load the upper half will heat up a noticeable amount, but the fan does a good job of keeping the temps at a reasonable level. The bottom of the laptop and the air coming out the back can also get pretty warm under these conditions.

Battery Life

I did a simple test to emulate light use of the D830 under battery power. I turned the screen down to half brightness and let windows media player play music at a relatively low volume. This test was also done under the default Vista setup, prior to the installation of ForceWare drivers.

The 9-cell primary on its own reached 10% in a bit under three hours. Together with the media bay battery it reached 10% in just over four and a half hours.

Considering that my 500m could do three and a half hours on its one primary battery, I was a bit disappointed with the battery life at first, especially when owners of D620s and D630s were claiming battery lives of up to five hours. But considering I have a 15 inch WUXGA screen and discrete graphics I guess a drop in battery life is expected.

9-cell primary battery and 6-cell media bay battery (view large image)

Conclusion

In the days after I placed my order I spent much time questioning whether or not I had made the right choice. I anxiously awaited the arrival of my new piece of hardware, checking my order status religiously and wondering when it would ship. When it finally arrived I was not disappointed. I've been using it for two weeks now with very few problems.

I think the Latitude D830 is an excellent machine. Those who believe Dell only makes cheap, low end computers haven't seen one of their newer Latitude notebooks. Though its stats might not be as good as those of an XPS M1710 and its case may not be as good as that of a Thinkpad, the D830 is a high quality system with a high quality build and by all means a high quality notebook.

Pros

• Solid construction
• Visually appealing
• Discrete graphics
• Good performance
• Can ship with XP
• Cool and quiet

Cons

• Not a thin-and-light
• Relatively expensive
• Port selection could still be better
• Light Leakage

 

 

Nice review.

 

Very nice review. Thanks. It's really close to the Precision M65, despite the GPU & CPU, and I've been really happy with the M65. Good build quality, no real issues, though some people have a problem with the LCD. I've been using the M65 with a port replicator and 2001fp monitor lately and it's great, just as it was stand-alone.

 

You win for having Nanoha wallpapers!

 

I'm curious.
Why does the Quadro 140M in my thinkpad get significantly better vista scores than you.
and it's only 128mb
Vista scores for gfx are 4.0 and 4.6 respectively

 

Great Review!

 

Did you buy additional warranty coverage?

 

Thanks for the review.

Is the optical drive removable?

What resolution did you use (you mention that you are not using native resolution)?

 

Nice review and as usual, Dell Latitude series come with a legacy port. A nice addition to legacy port fans.

 

I'll say again I was really close to getting the M65, but like the D630 the lack of an s-video output tipped the scale in favor of the D830. I believe the M4300 has fixed this? On a cosmetic level I also prefer the D830's lid to that of the M65 XD

Yeah, I'm just a hardcore otaku at heart; I'm watching StrikerS at the moment and I wish the fansubbers would really pick up the pace!

I wonder about this myself, quite a number of reviews I've read have had machines getting lesser 3DMark scores getting higher Aero scores... my old desktop (2.3GHz, 128MB GeForce FX 5200) is pushing 3.0 and from what I've read the FX 5200 was a pretty poor GPU in it's day.

Yes, I have the three year completecare package.

Yes, the optical drive can be removed. It can be replaced with the media bay battery on the fly. I was also pleasantly surprised to find that the optical drive and the media bay battery are reverse compatible with my 500m and should probably be compatible with other Dell machines from the time period.

I have a WUXGA screen. The maximum resolution is 1920 x 1200. I'm using 1280 x 800.

 

But why didn't you get a lower-res screen in the first place? Otherwise nice review.
I can imagine how some less tech-savvy stock-drivered D830 users are cursing Dell to hell over sub-par (over 3 times lower!) graphics performance

 

Why did you get the WUXGA screen when you aren't gonna use it at the native resolution? Sorry if I come off a bit blunt but its puzzling to me why someone would pay the extra cash to use a fuzzy screen. Maybe try turning up the dpi to 120 or 140 and see if that helps.

Good job on the review.

 

Very nice review! I have the D830 and love it, it was a great replacement to my inspiron 8100.

 

Well, I do a bit of CG artwork in my free time and when you're working with rather large images (couple thousand pixels to an edge), it pays to have a bit more screen-estate. But like I said for day to day use everything's just too small for me. So I just end up raising the resolution when I need to and turning it back down later.

Also, RangerEdgeO2 pointed out that Forceware driver 163.15 is out. Updating to the newer driver raised my 3DMark05 score by more than 150 points.

 

Nice review. Comprehensive but easy to read. Enjoy your new notebook.

 

nice review and nice price. makes me feel like i got ripped off on my mbp, haha.

 

> I have a WUXGA screen. The maximum resolution
> is 1920x1200. I'm using 1280x800.

I'd really appreciate it if you could tell me whether it supports either of these resolutions:

WXGA+ 1440×900
WSXGA+ 1680x1050

It probably also supports a bunch of 'partial-screen' resolutions, but those really aren't of any use.

Thanks.

 

I'm in the same position as the reviewer - the WUXGA is useful in some circumstances but not in others. And even in Vista, turning up the DPI setting doesn't work as well changing the resolution.

 

Thanks for the review -- I have a T61 on order, and a D830, and I will need to return one, sight unseen.

They are just about the same, except the D830 has the 256MB card.

I suspect the thinkpad has a better trackpoint -- I tried the D830 the other day and it was a little unwieldy -- but I could get used to it.

I am surprised about the battery life, as I have heard reports of more time out of the 9-Cell/6-Cell combination. In fact, the battery life was one reason I was set to prefer the Dell over the T61 (in a 6-Cell/6-Cell config).

Thanks again!

 

Instead of lowering the resolution why don't you try increasing the DPI settings, so that the font and icons become larger. I think that will give you a crisper and cleaner way of enlarging things.

 

It does support 1680 x 1050 but not 1440 x 900. It jumps from 1300 x 768 straight to 1600 x 900.

Does the option to modify DPI exist in Windows XP? I've never looked into it as I've never considered such a thing...

 

It can be found in display properties>settings>advanced>"general" tab>DPI settings

You can also increases just font size from display prop.>appearance>font size

It will probably look much cleaner than lowering the resolution all together.

 

That's some great information -- I am also trying to decide between WUXGA and WSXGA+, but some say that changing from the native resolution looks bad.

Others say that changing DPI looks bad or messes up the way some programs display.

But, I don't know why changing the resolution to another supported resolution as you have discussed would be a problem -- after all, we do it on home LCD's?

Given all the confusion (in my head), I am planning to order WSXGA+.

--Smirch

 

Here are some differences I've noticed.

The Thinkpad is much lighter. 1.56 Kgs (3.44lbs) without the optical drive, whereas the latitude is 6 lbs.

The Dell's have much cheaper docking station options (I searched on eBay).

You can't buy Latitudes from Dell Canada at retail. While Lenovo prices Thinkpads about the same in Canada vs. the US, Dell charges almost twice as much in Canada as in the US. I'm assuming they sell them for completely different prices to big customers.

 

The T61 15.4" Thinkpad weighs 5.9 lbs.

ThinkPad T Series gives you the choice of 14.1" or 15.4" widescreen displays. The new T61 14.1" widescreen model provides enhanced mobility in a 5.0 lb., 1.1" thin design. T61 15.4" widescreen models start at 5.9 lb and 1.2". Intel® GMA X3100 integrated graphics is standard, and for the latest in mobile graphics performance the T61 also offers new NVIDIA graphics chipsets. T61p mobile workstation models feature high performance NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M graphics and high resolution WSXGA+/WUXGA displays.

 

Interesting solution. Can't say I've thought of or heard of it before. Works pretty well to with respect to keeping the display "crisp". Sizes of objects relative to each other are kind of strange though, I'll have to play around with it...

Yeah, the 1.56kg is referring to the lightest of the light of the T61 series; when you start getting into 14 and 15 inch screens they really start putting on weight. A review I read somewhere out there put a similarly configured (to the reviewed D830) T61 at 7lbs.

 

Good review, Lim. And good choice within the Dell family. My daughter went off to college with a promise that they would support Dell and Apple. Her classmates all bought Inspirons. She had a Latitude. None of her classmates had a working Inspiron ay graduation. The Latitude is working three years later.

The build quality of business laptops is superior to the consumer stuff. It may look like a Russian tractor, but it runs forever.

Pete

 

New drivers were just posted at laptopvideo2go: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14222

101.28, windows xp only, apparently released by dell themselves, and supports nvs 140m without a modded inf. Current drivers on dell's website for xp are 101.19. I might give these a spin and see what happens.

update: Just installed them, seem to be working fine. Haven't run any benchmarks (dont have 3dmark05 installed). No video problems like I was having with 101.19 stock drivers.

update 2: I got bored and installed 3dmark05. Score with 101.28: 2979 3dmarks. I know the newer drivers can get higher marks, but I've found them to be somewhat instable as well (standby might not work, the computer will randomly shut down if i unplug then replug it, etc.). 101.28 has caused me no problems whatsoever so far, and seems to offer a longer battery life as well (the battery meter indicated about 5 hours left at 99% when it showed 4:20 or so with 165.01 (never checked with 163.15).

 

First off, I'd like to say great job on the review. I recently purchased a D830 and agree with you on mostly everything. When I first received the laptop, I formatted with my own copy of XP and got the latest graphics driver from Dell. The Nvidia Control Panel tells me the graphics driver is 101.19. How did you get the Nvidia Forceware driver 160.05 you mentioned in the review?

 

Heh, the Latitude CpT in my sig is on it's 8th year. Runs like a charm and it loads XP as well!

Errr... that's a typo. It's 16 5.01 and I think I've made this same typo before... Either way, don't use 165.01 anymore, 163.15 is out and it's 150 3DMark05 points better.

 

Hi there,

i'd like to give some feedback on display and heat in form of comparisons.

Heat:
I lately had a D620 (NVS110), a D620(950GMA), a D630(X3100) for business and a D830(X3100) for private use.
The Dx20 series in general was A LOT hotter than the Dx30s now are. Those are nearly cold to the touch even in 24/7 like my notebook in bureau. The NVS110 in the D620 was noticeably hotter than the 950GMA, the D620-NVS110 was loud and hot.
My D830 is running passively now with i8kfangui and rmclock, it never reaches 75°C, except i do some photo or video editing.

Display:
On the display side i had four of them:
14'' 1440x900 on the older D620-NVS110
14'' 1440x900 on the newer D620-950GMA
14'' 1440x900 on the D630-X3100
15'' 1920x1200 on the D830-X3100

All three 14'' displays showed changes in type.
The first D620 had a yellowish touch with the silver sparkles that so many people complained about.
The second D620 had a brighter screen, the yellow touch had gone, the sparkles were still there
The D630 has a really bright screen, i do adjust it down one level mostly because it seems so bright/white, the coating lacks the silver sparkles.
The D830 WUXGA in comparison to the D630 WXGA+ has got a lot more ligt leakage, which i only notice when the screen goes to the black screen screensaver. But in comparison the viewing angles of the WUXGA are way better.

Hope that helps with some decisions

Nighty

 

Hey nightty thanks for the info.

I think you changed my mind about what to get.

I was going to get an end-of-line D820 with the NVS120, but I like my notebooks quiet and cool.

I'll extrapolate that, if your D620-NVS110 is so hot, then the D820-NVS120 is probably the same. And, I guess it doesn't matter whether it is the older chipset/cpu of the D620/820, or the NVS video that makes it so much hotter then the D830. Either way, I don't want that.

 

qwavel,

definetely go for the Santa Roas based platform, saves some heat. This is due to the lower idle power consumption of the processor.
And the X3100 is just as fast as the older NVS110/120, and is DirectX10, so a little more future proof.

I owned a Acer Travelmate 663LCi for two years and this thing was silent, nearly never had the fan running. Every notebook after that left me disappointed in terms of heat and noise:
Acer Travelmate 8004LMi
Acer Travelmate 8101LMi
Dell D620

By the way if you search for a bigger harddrive get the Samsung HM250Ji. Had recent Seagates and Fujitsu, those had a constant whooshing sound to them.

Nighty

 

I was considering the NVS simply because it sounds like it is geared towards multi-screen use, which is exactly what I do. I was a little worried that something with integrated graphics would have a hard time driving a WUXGA internal screen and a high res external at the same time. But I agree that the X3100 would probably be fine for me - I'm just doing text stuff after all.

Thinkpads are much better priced then Dells here in Canada, but they don't offer the choice of the Dells. If I want a Thinkpad with a medium to high resolution screen then I have no choice but to get the upgraded video. Very annoying.

 

Dells are much more affordable than the T-Series here in Germany

Don't worry with multiple screens, this is what i constantly use at work and private.
The D630 at work drives internal 1440x900 and a extended external 24inch 1920x1200
The D830 at home drives internal 1920x1200 and a extended external 22inch 1680x1050

Both by the way are docked on the D/Port just fine so i can use the DVI-Output and i have not a single cable leaving left or right, all conenctions leave at the back!

 

hi all..would somebody plz help me to compare these d820 and d830 ....d 830 core2duo 2g t7300 fsb800 with quadro 140/256mb and vista buss. vs. d820 core2duo 2g t7200 fsb667 with quadro 120/512mb and xp pro..same in the rest (like 2gig ram ,etc.)...i cant get which has the better vga ...is 830 ok for at least not too recent games?..by the way in my catalog both have 4usb but in review its mentioned 3 for 830..which is correct?..all in all is there alot difference between d830 and d820?

 

Errr, let's see: yes, the processor and vid card options are different, the D830 CAN ship with XP, I believe both should be decent for light to mid gaming - though I am not a gamer myself so I can't really give any firsthand experience, the D820 has four USB ports and the D830 has three USB ports.

But the D830 has an s-video port. The two are basically externally identical. The D820 has also been reported to have a very lacking screen; subsequently screen choices should differ between the two. Other than that I don't recall there be any other significant difference?

 

Hum. If the Latitudes can have bad screens then I would imagine it would depend on your choice of screen, and would not be a D820 vs. D830 issue. Dell probably kept the LCD options the same when they moved from the D820 to the D830.

The screen options for the D820 or the D830 are:
WUXGA (1920 x 1200) 200 nits, 500:1
WSXGA+ (1680 x 1050) 200 nits, 300:1
WXGA (1280 x 800) ?

The WSXGA+ screen appears to be the same screen that they offer for the Vostro and the Latitude.

So which one is supposed to be crap?

 

I saw the 1280x800 on a D820 and it was very grainy and washed out, this was a 02/2007 model.
I am very happy with my D830 WUXGA though!

 

Hello - I see a lot of people choosing to order just 1gb from Dell, and add a stick -- but won't that lose the dual-channel option. HOw much performance boost is seen when dual-channel is active?

 

Theoretically it should double the speed of your RAM.

 

I'm planning to take one D830. i'll use it for collage, programming, IM, internet,mail, data bases, CAD, and I'm ready to pay if it worth!

..will I make mistake?

 

Everything should be fine as long as you don't expect top-notch screen quality. Images should be significantly blurrier than glossy displays. Other than that, you're golden. Just remember to pick the GeForce 140m dedicated graphics options, you'd need that for your CAD work.

 

I posted this post in another topic that I had made. I've decided to post it here because I should have looked around a little bit more before I started another d830 thread, sorry about that...

If the d830 has longer battery life with two batteries, I'm going with it. How hard would it be to reinstall the media drive if I needed to install something from a CD or DVD?

Also, on this page http://www.dell.com/content/topics/r...&~section=d830 I have the option of a regular d830 or one that has Energy Star. Would the Energy Star option help conserve battery life?

Also, the LCD screen options include WXGA, WSXGA+, or WUXGA. Which one would conserve battery life the most (I'm assuming WXGA). Or would someone strongly recommend I choose one of the more expensive options for any certain reason?

And how difficult would it be for me to upgrade the RAM and harddrive by myself?

And can anyone estimate what kind of battery life I should expect if I had 9 cell + 6 cell while running a Quadro NVS 140M videocard, the Core 2 Duo T7100 CPU, a WXGA screen, and a 7200rpm harddrive? Is there any reason why the d820 might be a better choice for me if my primary concern is battery life?

 

You'll need to be rather fit in order to carry it around. Better get exercising =D

They're plug and play. You can unplug and replug and whatever without turning the thing off.

It's theoretically supposed to do that, but I think it does so by not letting you choose particular components... could be wrong though.

Should be relatively straightforward; I've changed harddrives and RAM on plenty of Dells before and I've never had a problem. Though you might run into complications with the Strikezone mounting?

Just under five hours if you're not doing anything too heavy.

No opinion on screen and no experience with D820.

 

Thanks Commander Wolf, I appreciate the input. I think I'm going to go ahead and order it, it seems like a good idea.

 

So I just got my D830 in, and on Dell's website they say that it's got "Two Memory slots offering up to 4GB". I can only find one. Any help?

 

Check out this link from another post. Your other RAM slot is under the keyboard (yes the keyboard). It gives step by step instructions and photos to changing out the RAM. I was nervous about taking apart the keyboard but it looks much worse than it is.

5 minutes and your done.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=130014

 

Thanks bunches dude, I was searching the forums looking for how to install RAM specifically in a d830 and maybe if I had just searched for installing RAM in Dell laptops I would have found this. It looks exactly like my d830 too!

 

I have decided to buy a D830, for various reasons. I intend to use it mostly for scientific and technical computing, although that does involve graphics work for plots and diagrams and such so the screen is important. I am going to get the nvs 140m graphics card, 2 gb RAM, and 2.2 GHz processor. The thing I have not been able to decide is the screen type. I have a d800 now, with a WXGA screen, and in terms of resolution it is adequate. I have a larger external monitor that I use in a dual-monitor setup, the screens' DPIs appear to be fairly similar, and I don't use the laptop on its own all that much. However, I do want a good screen so I can use it alongside my external screen. The problem is, since a large part of what I am doing is text-based, I don't want text to be too small. I know I can change the screen resolution, but that is supposed to make it somewhat blurry. Changing font size will cause problems because of the two monitors. So I need to decide whether to get the WXGA or the WSXGA+ screen (the WUXGA is outside of my price range). What I guess I would like to know is what, in practice, the relative advantages and disadvantages of the WXGA vs. the WSXGA+ screen are. The WXGA appears to be brighter (220 vs. 200), while the WSXGA of course has more pixels and also has a wider viewing angle (although I do not really care about viewing angle). Are there are any other differences I should know about?