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    "Blu-ray is in a death spiral"

    Discussion in 'Notebook News and Reviews' started by icon007, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. icon007

    icon007 Notebook Evangelist

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    now we and option to not have it on notebooks.

    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

    you can find the article here.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=365&tag=nl.e539
     
  2. oblio98

    oblio98 Notebook Consultant

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    Without getting into an "internet argument", where each poster goes on and on trying to convince the other that they are wrong and why, I'll just say that I think Blu-Ray will do fine. There is a very high consumer awareness of it, far more than SACD, DVD-Audio, LaserDisc, DCC, MD, etc.

    It's in all of the stores, warehouses, and rental locations.

    Time will tell - however, it's not worth a long drawn out thread of arguments and back and forths.

    Time will tell...................... :D
     
  3. chipmoney

    chipmoney Notebook Evangelist

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    I doubt it will die.

    HD movies take a long time to download even with high speed internet. I don't see people willingly giving up a physical product for a digital download completely either.
     
  4. plasma.

    plasma. herpyderpy

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    At least quote the information first. People would think you are writing this up yourself.
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Mom! Hot Pockets! NBR Reviewer

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    There are all kinds of arguments to the contrary. The Dark Knight alone showed a trend toward Blu-Ray, as it took about 20% share of sales as compared to DVD and sold 600,000 copies in its first day. It also showed high sales in supermarkets which would indicate a more casual audience drifting toward Blu-Ray. See here: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/12/11/the-dark-knight-moves-600-000-blu-ray-discs-on-day-one/

    Plus, while tech people (like the majority of those on this board) may be well aware and prefer digital download or streaming, the average consumer doesn't. Studies show that average consumers prefer physical disks 10 to 1: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/11/1...-people-still-heart-physical-discs-greatly-p/

    The biggest thing that will hurt Blu-Ray is not digital download (especially not as long as ISPs still have bandwidth caps). What will hurt it is just a lack of care... the majority of people do see a difference between DVD and BD, and do prefer a disc over a download, but don't care enough about the difference to pay the difference. But as prices come down (just like they did with DVD) and the economy turns around, things will likely change.
     
  6. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Still waiting for blu-ray players to not be a $500 extra (Sony)...
     
  7. skriefal

    skriefal Notebook Consultant

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    Not this nonsense again...

    Seems like about once per month someone decides to claim that Blu-ray is "dead" or in a "death spiral" simply because the cost of entry hasn't yet fallen to the low level of the 11-year old DVD format. Hint: DVD didn't get to that level this quickly, either. You won't get $5 remaindered discs or $29 players while the format is still ramping up to mass acceptance. And that "ramp up" takes time; it won't happen in a mere 2 years.
     
  8. icon007

    icon007 Notebook Evangelist

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    laser disc died out very quickly because of the cost. blu will do the same if the cost doesn't come down. 500 buck is still pretty hi for a lappy to have.
     
  9. Phil

    Phil Retired

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    I personally don't believe it. Growth just has been slower than expected.
     
  10. chase17

    chase17 Notebook Consultant

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    I was able to pick up the highly rated Panasonic DMP-BD35 for $199.99. Thats the magic number for a quality player (not Insignia) imo. If they lower disc prices a bit more, saturation will happen.
     
  11. skriefal

    skriefal Notebook Consultant

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    Laserdisc was a successful niche format for almost 20 years. It didn't 'die out'. It went away only because it was supplanted by a superior format (DVD).

    Cost of new technology almost always starts high (e.g. my first DVD player was $700). This doesn't indicate a failing/dead/doomed product. Costs have already started to drop, and will continue to do so.
     
  12. dlstorm

    dlstorm Notebook Consultant

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    Just got a Blu-ray player with my new home theater, and love it. The only downer is the cost of the DVDs. I really hesitate to pay $30 for a recent movie. There are lots of bargains on older movies on Amazon, but hope the price goes down on new movies.
     
  13. dwayneseah

    dwayneseah Notebook Enthusiast

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    how much does an external blu-ray drive cost?
     
  14. circa86

    circa86 Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    this article is a waste of space, no information what so ever, and not even logical at that.

    blu-ray is being adopted much quicker than DVD was, what is the problem?

    and also, technology never, ever, ever dies, I guarantee you that nearly everything has a strong niche market somewhere and most tech is still being manufactured on some level or another.
     
  15. svedali

    svedali Notebook Enthusiast

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    just remember 1 thing...NETFLIX already charges extra for BR

    and its sales #'s are exploding for the format...people jumped aboard the
    Full HD bandwagon the last 18 months...and now they want content which cable for the most part isn't delivering....Blu-ray is...until Sports hit 1080p
    standard...Blu-ray will be the way to go....and as for price...please

    I was not a videophile 10 yrs ago...when a DVD cost $30 and I rented instead of buying but enjoyed literally hundreds w/o ever needing to buy

    and Blu-Ray is headed in the same direction

    HD downloading...what are you smoking...until the avg user has at least Fiber optic ...instead of the DsL/Cabl mess of today...HD Dl won't be the norm...and Fibre optic takes time to set up over long distance countries like the US...as for smaller countries w/ no bandwith caps...yes HD DL will hit...but For Hollywood/etc...HD Dl is a major mistake....Blu-Ray will drive the market until a better format hits...the key is to drop prices and improve offline stability(not havinig FW updates req'd_) for BR to take off...

    Nobody bought DVD players and said oh...i need to update the device now...

    when the same happens w/ BR and the typical price at discounters drops below the $10 level...the masses will adopt

    for now...yes its a videophile hobby...in about a year it won't be
     
  16. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    The only factor I see holding back Blu-ray is HDTV adoption rates.
     
  17. chidesd

    chidesd Notebook Evangelist

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    whats with all this stupid artcles saying bluray is dying? Last bluray is starting to out sale dvd. so how is that dying?
     
  18. OjosAzules

    OjosAzules Newbie

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    The Sony PS3 is one of the most under-utilized consumer machines out there. I would never have bought a standard Blu-ray player, but since one comes with a networkable PS3 (which I can also route my pc's music through digitally into my home theater) I have a high quality upgraded DVD signal and blu-ray and game machine and networked music streamer and karaoke machine. Why everyone in the world doesn't have a PS3, I'll never figure out. I understand why my wife complains and why the neighbors call the police when I watch Band of Brothers on Blu-Ray on a Saturday morning and then play Call of Duty: World at War in the afternoon. Sony needs to just put more money into marketing the amazing features of the PS3
     
  19. anothergeek

    anothergeek Equivocally Nerdy

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    Blu ray will not die, period. Why? There's nothing else on the horizon to challenge blu ray. 1080p is king. It's an extension of the common format, a disk, that hasn't grown obsolete because it's inexpensive to mass produce, and will only become cheaper and more common as time progresses and more cheap 1080p LCDs find their way into homes. The cheaper Blu Ray becomes, the more obsolete and less common DVD becomes. DVD was never important or a big deal to begin with, if anything it only proves how something pointless like Blu Ray stands a chance in an unchallenged market. A non physical format is the next logical step, but 20GB streams can't be made to millions, or at least it hasn't been done - yet.
     
  20. ZT3000!

    ZT3000! Notebook Evangelist

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    Quick question. Do BR movies come double sided with a standard def DVD copy on the other side? I have some HDDVD's that have both the standard def and high-def version on one disc.

    I'd gladly go buy a new BR player if all the BR movies out there were capable of playing on older DVD players as well.
     
  21. plasma.

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    Quick Answer: No.
     
  22. MGS2392

    MGS2392 NAND Cat!

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    No, though a lot of them do come with digital copy, a file designed to play on your computer/MP3 player (I'm guessing DRM).
     
  23. CalebSchmerge

    CalebSchmerge Woof NBR Reviewer

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    Most of my blurays play at about 30MB/S. Anyone who plans to download those soon is going to wait a long time for each movie. Blu-Ray isn't going down, its picking up fast, and as TV prices are dropping faster and faster, Blu-Ray is going to pick up more and more. 6 months ago my parents had no clue what blu-ray is, and now that they have an HDTV, my dad wants to go buy a blu-ray player. Death spiral it is.
     
  24. bananaman

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    I agree with most of the points this article makes, and IMHO Blu-Ray will never reach the success level of DVD, but I don't believe it is in a death spiral.

    Blu-Ray will never reach the success level of DVD because there are so many alternatives.

    I don't personally plan on buying Blu-Ray, because it will soon become obsolete. I cringe when I realize that the hundreds of discs and tapes I have bought in my life are now in a landfill somewhere. Download/streaming rentals don't end up in landfills, and they track the latest technology.
     
  25. Jayayess1190

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    Actually 4K should be released pretty soon (with in 3 years i would say) so 1080 will look like a 1950's B&W tellie at that point.

    blue ray might make it to the "king of the hill" spot, but i some how doubt it. Something that is actually better will come out i think first. The biggest reason DVD's made such a huge impact was space. Storage capacity on the disc and simple shelf space. Blu-Ray doesnt give anything but disc capacity. If i could get Season 1 of Star Trek TNG on 1 disc, then that would freaking rock and i would switch now, but its still 7 freaking discs and its not any higher def than what my DVD's are running at. Thats pretty lame

    And they are wasteing space on the discs... really how many games do you need to play in the middle of a movie? Sometimes i just want a movie and an upconvert player is WAY easier to deal with instead of paying 30 dollars for "now" no real benefit.

    I hope Bluray comes through in the end and does some pretty amazing stuff... but if 4K comes out soon to the mass market they're going to need a whole new format to hold that many pixels for a movie :p
     
  28. dap_pad

    dap_pad Notebook Geek

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    Well once Blu-Ray players get cheap enough (less than $100), I think they will really start getting popular. Most places still don't have the internet connection to download or stream 1080p content fast enough so the only way to get it via a physical medium ala Blu-Ray.
     
  29. Rich.Carpenter

    Rich.Carpenter Cranky Bastage

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    You can buy a good console BD player for under $200 now and under $100 for your desktop computer. The cost of the movies will come down as more widespread adoption happens. I was really hoping that HD-DVD would have won the format war, but Sony's leverage in the movie industry ensured that it just wasn't meant to be.

    Oh, and the fact that Sony charges $500 for a BD drive in their laptops isn't a knock on BD, it's a(nother) knock on Sony. Get a better laptop from another manufacturer, and get the BD drive for under $200.