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    Asus F3Jc Review

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  1. siLc

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    by Silver Hannolainen

    Overview and Introduction

    The Asus F3Jc is a lower-budget brother of the F3Ja. It is also branded as a &quot;portability&quot; notebook, but lacks the higher-end graphics cards of its more powerful and higher priced brethren. It is still equipped very respectably with a Geforce Go 7300 graphics card and an Intel Core Duo T2250 processor.

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    Specifications:

    • Intel Core Duo T2250 1,73GHz, 2MB L2 cache, 533MHz FSB
    • Intel 945PM chipset
    • 1GB DDR2 RAM (1x512MB stock Nanya DDR2-667 and 1x512MB added Hynix DDR2-533)
    • 15.4&quot; WXGA &quot;glossy&quot; screen at 1280x800 resolution.
    • nVidia Geforce Go 7300 128MB (up to 512MB with TurboCache) at 350/600MHz core/memory speeds
    • 80GB Seagate Momentus 5400.2 HDD (5400rpm, 8MB cache, SATA)
    • 8x Super Multi DVD±RW optical drive (Matshita DVD-RAM UJ-850S)
    • 3-in-1 SD/MMC/Memory Stick reader
    • Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG 802.11a/b/g Mini-PCIe wireless card
    • 6Cell 4800mAh battery
    • Ports: 1 x Headphone jack, 1 x Microphone-in jack, 1 x RJ11 Modem jack for phone line, 1 x RJ45 LAN Jack, 4 x USB 2.0 ports, 1x IEEE1394 port, 1 x  TV Out (S-Video), 1 x ExpressCard54 slot, 1 x DVI Port, 1 x VGA Port
    • Dimensions: 365 x 269.5 x 28-40.5 mm
    • Weight: 2.95kg / 6.5lbs (with 6Cell battery)

    This particular model lacks Bluetooth and an integrated webcam.

    Reasons for Buying

    The main reason for buying this notebook was to aid me in my studies at Tallinn Technical University. I also wanted to play games such as Counter-Strike Source and Wolfenstein Enemy Territory while on campus. The main principle was that the notebook had dedicated graphics, so my choices were quite limited price-wise. Before I came across a local Asus-certified reseller, I was bent on buying a used but well-kept Dell D600. Luckily, an unexpected budget boost enabled me to look for other non-used choices. With the boost, I was strictly limited to a $1,250/€990 budget and that enabled me to go ahead and buy the F3Jc reviewed here. (All $ prices in USD)

    Where and How Purchased

    I bought the machine through another firm, which enabled me to skip the 18% VAT (that's actually not a tax fraud here where I live, in case you were wondering), resulting in a final price of €980. The notebook came with 512MB of RAM, so I later bought an extra 512MB stick for $49/€38.

    I think it was a pretty good bargain because other brand notebooks (Dell Inspiron 6400 etc.) with similar specs start around the $1,500/€1200 price point and the Compal HGL30/HEL80-based gaming machines at $1,350/€1050.

    Build &amp; Design

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    I have to agree with the F3Ja review here - the build quality is very nice. When twisting or applying pressure to the back of the LCD, no ripples appear on the screen. The screen hinges are quite solid so its neccessary to hold the notebook down when opening the screen. The button and latch mechanism which holds the screen shut seems a little fragile, so I wouldn't abuse that part too much. There is very little or no flex when picking the notebook up from both front corners, although I wouldn't attempt it with only one corner. The right palmrest flexes a little when pushed down but the left one is solid because of the HDD situated underneath. The weight, close to 4kg including the AC adapter, mouse and carry bag is reasonably luggable between home and university, but I wouldn't take in for longer walks. One thing I do not understand is why on earth put 2 extra feet on the battery?

    Screen

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    The screen is a glossy widescreen 15,4&quot; WXGA 1280x800 resolution unit. I can't say that there is anything awfully wrong with the screen - both the brightness and contrast are plentiful, black is black, white is white and it's somewhat viewable in indirect sunlight, at least in my opinion. One slight annoyance is that the screen collects dust pretty fast but Asus includes a special microfiber cloth to wipe it off. Also, the viewing angles could be better in my opinion and the following pictures should illustrate my point. Luckily there aren't any dead nor bright pixels to be found on my screen.

    Asus includes a piece of pre-installed software called &quot;ASUS Splendid Technology Utility&quot;, which can be used to adjust the settings for the screen. It has several preset modes and you can customize one on your own. Personally I tried this feature but found no real practical use for it, so uninstalled it. Also, there is a hotkey to swap between different screen presets. Below is a picture to illustrate the light leakage found when viewing a black screen. In everyday usage, one would definetly not notice it that much.

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    Speakers

    The speakers are located above the keyboard, just below the screen. I've found the speakers to be sufficient for makeshift listening at university when I have no headphones at hand. The volume is loud enough but definetly lacking bass, which is usual on notebook speakers. At home I usally plug in a 4.1 speaker system, which offers a much more satisfactory listening experience, although recently a problem concerning internal/external speakers has sprung up, but more on that later.

    Processor and Performance

    Although the Intel Core Duo T2250 1,73GHz is one of the lower-end models of Intel's Core Duo lineup, its performance is still pretty impressive in comparison to my desktop AMD Athlon64 3000+ overclocked to 2.25GHz. The T2250 managed to complete SuperPi 1M a whole 2 seconds faster than the aforementioned AMD-equipped Desktop PC despite its lower 533Mhz Front Side Bus (FSB), although it is left slightly behind by its 667MHz FSB Core 2 Duo bretheren.

    The overall feel is snappy thanks to the 1 GB of RAM, only the 5400RPM Seagate SATA HDD was feeling a little left in the dust compared to my desktop's 250GB 7200rpm Seagate 7200.8 HDD. For some strange reason, Firefox 2.0 temporarily hangs once in while, but maybe thats the fault of the OS. After pressing the power button, startup takes 38 seconds to get to the login screen and another 30 seconds for the notebook to become fully usable.

    Graphics are handled by the Geforce Go 7300, a low-end card suitable for light gaming. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas will run relatively well at 20-40 frames per second (fps) depending on draw distance. Counter-Strike 1.6 will run 100fps+ unless in a smoke cloud. With some tweaking, CS: Source and Flatout 2 will run at over 40fps. All games were run at 1280x800 native resolution, so if you choose to run your games at lower-res, you will get better performance at the cost of image sharpness, as always with TFT LCD-s.

    Benchmarks

    SuperPi

    SuperPimeasures CPU performance by calculating Pi to a specific number of digits.

    Notebook Time to Calculate Pi to 2 Million Digits
    Asus F3Jc (1.73GHz Intel T2250) 1m 28s
    Asus A6Jc (1.66GHz Intel T2300) 1m 21s
    Asus W7J (1.66Ghz Core 2 Duo) 1m 19s
    Asus A8Js (2.0GHz Core 2 Duo) 1m 04s
    HP dv6000z (1.8GHz Turion64 X2 TL-56) 1m 54s
    Compaq V3000T(1.6GHz Core Duo) 1m 26s
    Dell Inspiron e1505 (2.00 GHz Core 2 Duo) 1m 02s
    Toshiba A100 (2.0GHz Core Duo) 1m 18s
    Acer Aspire 5102WLMi(1.6GHz Turion64 X2 TL-50 2m 22s
    Gateway E-100M (1.2GHz Core Solo ULV) 2m 02s
    Dell Inspiron 600m (1.6 GHz Dothan Pentium M) 2m 10s
    HP dv5000z (2.0GHz Sempron 3300+) 2m 02s

     

    3DMark05

    3DMark05 tests the graphics processing capabilities of a system:

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    3DMark05 Results and Comparison:

    Notebook  3DMark 05 Results
    Asus F3Jc (1,66 GHz Core Duo, Nvidia GeForce Go7300 128MB) 1,710
    Asus F3Ja (1.83 GHz Core Duo, ATI X1600 256MB) 3,696
    Asus W7J (Core 2 Duo, 1.66Ghz, NVIDIA 7400) 1,980
    Apple MacBook Pro (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1600 128MB) 2866
    Alienware M7700 (AMD Athlon FX-60 Nvidia GeForce Go7800 GTX) 7,078
    ThinkPad T43 (1.86GHz, ATI X300 64MB graphics) 727
     Asus V6Va (2.13 GHz Pentium M, ATI Radeon Mobility x700 128 MB) 2,530
     Fujitsu n6410 (1.66 GHz Core Duo, ATI X1400 128MB) 2,273
     HP dv4000 (1.86GHz Pentium M, ATI X700 128MB) 2,536
     Acer TravelMate 8204WLMi (2.0GHz Core Duo, ATI X1600 256MB) 4,157

     

    3DMark06

    3DMark06 is a very similiar graphics processing test to 3DMark05, but with more visual detail.

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    3DMark06 Results and Comparison:

    Notebook 3D Mark 06 Results
    Asus F3Jc (1,73 GHz Core Duo, nVidia GeForce Go7300 128MB) 693
    Asus A8Js (2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo, Nvidia Go 7700 256MB) 2,665
    Apple MacBook Pro (2.00GHz Core Duo, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 128MB) 1,528
    Alienware Area 51 m5550 (2.33GHz Core 2 Duo, nVidia GeForce Go 7600 256MB) 2,183
    ASUS A8Ja (1.66GHz Core Duo, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 512MB) 1,973
    Dell XPS M1710 (2.16GHz Core Duo, nVidia GeForce Go 7900 GTX 512MB) 4,744
    HP Pavilion dv6000z (1.8GHz Turion X2 TL-56, nVidia GeForce Go 7200 256MB) 674
    Sony SZ-110B in Speed Mode (1.83GHz Core Duo, nVidia GeForce Go 7400 256MB) 794
    Toshiba Satellite P100-222 (2.16GHz Core Duo, nVidia GeForce Go 7900 GS 512MB) 3,534

     

    HD Tune

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    Heat and Noise

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    The F3Jc has cooling vents galore, sadly the smaller vents on the right are for the cooling fan. Shown without the battery.(view large image)

    First off, I have to say that the notebook isn't as silent as cracked up to be. After turning the thing on, it is silent until the CPU temperature hits 38°C, after that point, the fan stays on quite audibly in a quiet room. When put under heavier load, the fan incrementally speeds up (in relation to the CPU temp.) to a rather high level of noise, although still being quieter than my Desktop PC. The highest CPU temperature I have seen is 61°C under heavy load.

    The trade-off is that the notebook is relatively cool throughout. The area under the keyboard and palmrest stays pleasantly warm, but not excessively hot. The only area that significantly warms up is the upper-right corner on the underside. It is not a problem to play games with the notebook on your lap for shorter periods of time (let's say 15 minutes), whether plugged in or not. Just be sure not to cover up the little cooling fan vents under the right side.

    Keyboard and Touchpad

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    The keyboard is something on this notebook I'm fully satisfied with. There is no perceptable flex, keys are full-sized and feel good. Also, the Fn and Ctrl keys are where they should be on a notebook - Ctrl in the lower-left corner and Fn right next to it. This makes the keyboard much more usable in First Person Shooter (FPS) games and of course when you're a frequent keyboard shortcut user. However I've found myself pressing D instead of S and F instead of R, because I usually check my finger placement with the groove in the desktop keyboard's Caps Lock key, which is absent in this notebook, and in every notebook for that matter. This should be a non-issue once one gets used to it. As you may have noticed, those green letters are Cyrillic (Russian letters). Since my particular notebook was originally meant for the Russian market, it carries these letters. I don't make use of them but they don't get in the way either.
    The touchpad is also quite satisfactory, although when scrolling with the appropriate area, when you let go of the touchpad, it still keeps scrolling and the only way to stop it is to touch the scroll area again. Again, a non-issue. It is nice that one is able to disable the touchpad either with the appropriate hotkey or Fn+F9 key combination. Otherwise works fine with the pre-installed Synaptics drivers.

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    Input and Output Ports

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    Right side, from front to back: ExpressCard/54 slot, 2x USB 2.0 ports, Mini IEEE1394 port, S-Video out port, DVI-I and VGA ports, RJ11 telephone modem and RJ45 LAN ports( view large image)

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    Back: AC adapter plug with adapter cord attached, exhaust vent, 2x USB 2.0 ports and the battery itself. ( view large image)

    Wireless

    The included wireless card is an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, which supports all known 802.11 WiFi standards (a/b/g), although not the latest Draft-N. Signal strength is &quot;Excellent&quot; when a ZyXEL P320W WiFi router is behind a reinforced concrete wall about ~8cm thick. I really can't comment on how several of such walls affect signal strength but the net is still barely surfable on &quot;Very Low&quot; or &quot;No Signal&quot;, surprisingly. Since this is a budget notebook, there is no Bluetooth or Infrared, but I can live without these. By default, the wireless management software is Intel's PROSet Wireless, which I have found to be a resource hog (runs 4 processes) and with no real tangible benefit over Windows XP's own similar utility.

    Operating System and Software

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    The icons adorning the taskbar after the first startup.

    The notebook comes pre-installed with Windows XP Home Service Pack 2. There isn't much bloatware (such as Skype), though the taskbar is filled with icons of doubtful usefulness, such as a telephone modem &quot;helper&quot; and touchpad indicator . For power management, Asus includes its own &quot;Power4Gear&quot; utility, through which preset modes can be cycled using Fn+Space key combination or a dedicated hotkey (see above). The change of screen brightness and sound volume using appropriate Fn+F1-12 combinations is illustrated by an OSD (On-Screen-Display) in the upper-left corner of the screen. After using Power4Gear for some time, I found that it didn't give me enough control over my notebook, so I unistalled it and installed Notebook Hardware Control (henceforth NHC), a universal and powerful program for hardware monitoring and power management.

    Recently, I installed Windows Vista RC2, which ran fine but the Geforce Go's driver support was seriously lacking so I promptly recovered back to Windows XP using the bundled recovery disks. Complete recovery time was close to an hour, if not more.

    List of included CDs:

    • Asus DVD
    • PowerDirector Pro
    • Medi@ Show
    • Norton Internet Security 2005
    • Asus F3 Driver &amp; Utility CD
    • Nero OEM Suite
    • Windows XP Home Edition Recovery Disk

    List of pre-installed software:

    • ASUSDVD
    • ASUS Live Update
    • ASUS Splendid Video Enhancement Technology
    • Power4Gear
    • nVidia ForceWare display drivers version 84.85
    • Nero OEM Suite
    • Intel PROSet Wireless Software
    • Synaptics Touchpad Software
    • ATK media (for hotkey functionality)
    • Symantec Norton Internet Security 2005
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader 7.0

    Note one thing, install Laptopvideo2Go's modified 92.91 drivers at your own risk, you might get a Blue Screen of Death at the end of the installation. I did, but after the restart suprisingly LV2Go's drivers were installed, games ran fine and benchmark scores were the ones achieved above.

    Battery

    An Asus-branded 6-cell 4800mAh battery is used, which is by now a month old and achieves the following results (in practical situations):

    • 50 minutes of light usage (movies, typing this review) and according to NHC 66% / 2:15hrs remaining at 6/16 screen brightness (without WiFi).
    • 30 minutes of playing Age of Empires 3 with nVidia PowerMizer set to &quot;Max Performance&quot; drains close to 40% from the battery (without WiFi).
    • Watching a 1:20 movie with maximum screen brightness and in NHC processor speed set to &quot;Max Battery&quot; drains 45% from the battery (with WiFi).

    With full charge, the notebook ran for two 1:30hr lectures with NHC set to &quot;Max Battery&quot; and in the end 15% battery remained. I never had the chance to fully drain the battery, but a guesstimate would be up to 3:30 with low load.

    Customer Support

    Where Asus doesn't have its service centers, such as here in Estonia, local resellers handle warranty issues, or at least they try to. Since I bought my notebook at a reseller, I can expect them to send it to a service center if it decides to malfunction in such a way that I can't fix it myself.  Unfortunately, the nearest official one is in Moscow, Russia and the process of shipping and other related things could take as much as a month. As far as I know, all Asus Ensemble (non-barebone) notebooks sold in the EMEA region come with a standard 2-year international warranty and so does the notebook reviewed here.

    In the speakers section of this review, I mentioned that I ran into a rather small but usage-limiting problem. Whenever one plugs in headphones, the notebook's own built-in speakers mute automatically. When I first got the machine, everything worked fine in this respect, but all of a sudden after turning on the machine, the built-in speakers no longer mute. It seems that a lot of F3J series users have had the same problem. The particular reseller's technician was unable to fix it in 15 minutes, can't really blame them for not trying.

    Conclusion

    If you're on a low budget and don't want to compromise on build quality or weaker components, then you may just find a sweet spot for an Asus F3 series notebook. The F3Jc has everything I want and has awesome value for the money paid, you'll even get a free carry bag and optical Asus-branded Logitech notebook mouse. It does have some weaker points, such as noise and infrequent minor technical glitches, but otherwise well worth the buy.

    Pros

    • Value for money
    • Good build quality and input devices
    • Overall nice screen
    • Conveniently placed ports (at least for me)
    • Very stylish

    Cons

    • Noisy
    • Some may dislike that most the ports are on the right side
    • Less-than-ideal techsupport in my area
    • Infrequent driver glitches (probably my fault, may not happend to you)

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  2. jetstar

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    Nice review! The keyboard seems pretty solid. Nice to see that the Ctrl and Fn keys are in their right positions.
     
  3. PointMan

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    Good review and I really like the pictures. Very clear. Good job!
     
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    Nice review.

    Only thing I don't like about this laptop is the headphone out jack on the front, but very nice laptop.
     
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    Excellent review. I have the latest version with bluetooth and cam. The only problem I have at the moment is getting the wireless to work-I had it working but when i rebooted it stopped working and I cannot get it back. The Intel PRO wireless IMHO is a worthless layer on top of Windows XP plain jane, which I know how to work and has always worked flawlessly for me.
    GREAT build quality-I used to have a Toshiba, never again. A few weeks ago I got an HP dv6000 Pavilion series, and the computer shut down twice with no warning presumably for CPU heat issues. When I tried to flash the BIOS (I have done this successfully many many times), I got a blue screen of death and of course it would not boot up again. Tech support said it would have to go to Poland to be fixed (I am a Yank in the Czech Republic) and then, well, who knows if it will be OK. Traded it in for a new F3JA and am VERY impressed with build quality and performance. Great for price/performance/quality and highly recommended
     
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    i just bought a f3jp from newegg and i really like it. the only problem is that the 120gb hard drive is actually 2 smaller ones (70 & 50) and the battery life is short. what's GOOD: super pi score was 1:03 to 2M, and got 4195 with 3dmark 05 and 7171 with 3dmark03, the 06 was around 2200... typin is fine and multi-tasking is amazing. the graphics are great and have had no trouble with them.
     
  8. amitkc

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    hmm...battery life is kinda important to me...i was hoping for a 3 hr laptop....looks like the F3jp is dropping out of contention..does your laptop read xD cards? how much does it weigh with the battery and the power adapter?

    lastly...any problems with the network/screen graininess/ audio ? I have heard generic comments about these, but have no real idea of what plagues these machines...

    TIA!
     
  9. sesshomaru

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    Have you done any gaming on this machine? Obviously, with a 7300, gaming performance will be less than stellar, but still, can you give the real gaming performance bench marks?Maybe a couple of your fav. FPS/Racing games.....
     
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    A little 9-month heads up how the F3Jc`s been holding up. Actually not exactly what I expected but good enough.

    It is rather susceptible to scratches. All I needed to do to get this nasty scratch was to put in on a seemingly clean wooden table, leave it there for a minute and voila.

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    Build-wise it doesn't feel like jelly just yet but nearly everyday home-> university -> home cycle has produced this little crack. I usually carried it in its messenger bag on my lower back, frequently hitting on my back as I walk. It hasn't fallen hard on any surface, just everyday usage...

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    Another everyday use induced breakage is the right screen hinge cover, whose plastic right retaining hooks have broken and a corner chipped off. Its currently on the wrong way but it stays more secure that way.

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    Other than those things, its been holding up just fine. Eats MSDN AA Vista Business just fine. The grey paint on the left palmrest is a bit blemished.