Apple is known for pushing boundaries. Sometimes it's a cutting-edge industrial design, sometimes it's new technology and sometimes a new standard. When the MacBook Air was originally introduced, it was all three. Growing less unique with the netbook craze, Apple was forced to rethink thin. Did they succeed?
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Ahbeyvuhgehduh Lost in contemplation....
Nice review!
All in all a nice machine, although I wouldn't purchase one for the office personally.
A pity about the heat the thing produces ... and the disappointing lack of an ethernet port, while understandable to keep the weight down in retrospect, is a surprise.
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Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator
Nice review. This notebook looks like the ideal companion for a larger desktop replacement notebook or desktop. The lack of upgradeability and small size make it kind of impractical for use as a primary machine.
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Very good review. My Sony TT is smaller than the Air at 11.1 1366x768 and i use it these days as my primary computer. I'm not a power user. I know when i was studying i prefered using a bigger screen 13.3 to write my essays/dissertation but now that is through i'm using my TT really all the time now.
I've used a 11.6 and it feels slightly bigger than the TT and the screen res is easier on the eye. I can quite imagine being able to do the research i needed to on a 11.6.
Apple have done very well here, still I would like to see more manfacturers after Sandy Bridge focusing on slightly higher end ultraportables. -
Hi, J.R.,
you mentioned that there is a cooling fan, but, interesting, I see no cooling vents - where are they? -
Excellent review. Do wish you'd post idle temps in addition to the load temps on your reviews. Might be especially interesting to see on a computer like this.
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The big shocker here is that Apple has stuck with the same dated processor and lousy Nvidia integrated GPU as the increasingly dated 13" MacBooks? Why? Maybe the real answer is that Apple only wants to provide contemporary hardware on the 15" and 17" MacBook Pro lines for the sake of raking in obscene profits. Thanks Apple.
Another mystery is the really abominable 5 hour battery life? What's wrong with Apple? This is the same sort lousy battery life as the failed Dell Adamo. It's pretty telling that Dell drops the Adamo on the same week Apple brings out this new mediocre, shrunken, underpowered, dated MacBook? Has this thing been sitting on a shelf somewhere since 2008?
The big question is whether Apple devotees will notice just how awful this new MacBook Air really is? It's a great pity, because this form factor might have been a bigger hit than the lackluster original. -
The biggest criticism by far is the mediocre battery life when compared to the standard set by others. Even then I think it's not too awful, mostly because I suspect most people (please don't PM me you guys and say how you use your laptop 8 hours on battery every day because I'm sure you do) aren't going to be using the Air for more than 5-6 hours a day.Last edited by a moderator: Jan 29, 2015 -
This post reeks of fanboyism. FYI, that "lousy NVidia GPU" is the most powerful GPU that could possibly be used in such a thin notebook. However, the only way to get that GPU in there was to use a C2D. And such a thin computer leaves very little room for a battery. So, basically, they were working with the limits of the form factor. It still accomplishes it's purpose, so it's far from "awful." -
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Mixed feelings about it to be honest, it looks like a very nice piece of kit. Still smacks to me as a little bit of form over function. Any reason for it to need to be that thin apart from marketing? It's footprint is still the same as any other subnotebook. Battery is pretty poor at least for the 11.6". Battery life by the way was also one of the reasons Apple justified soldiering on with the C2D in the 13" MBP. However you want to dress it up, this is seriously old tech now, no doubt it's less of an issue in subnotebooks/netbooks. I'd still rather have a ULV C2D than an Atom. It's true to say that at the moment the C2D is more than capable of performing all of the tasks thrown at it, 2-3 years down the line though and I'm not so sure? We're still buying into a product with CPU architecture dating back to 2006.
I'm not too concerned about the price, Sony have and continue to charge astronomical amounts for their subnotebooks/netbooks. They don't seem to get half the flak Apple does. -
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Of course, in this case, we're talking about shared memory.
Well the 2008 CPU is nicely balanced by a GPU of similar vintage. Overall, not a bad combo for 2008, and back in 2008, I might have been dumb enough to fall for it. It isn't 2008 anymore. Ask most any NVIDIA GPU user from that era. It's amazing how many PC brands replaced notebook motherboards because of NVIDIA, and the effected consumers still don't comprehend that all of the trouble stemmed from NVIDIA's defective GPUs.
It isn't clear to me whether Apple signed up with NVIDIA before the extent of their issues became apparent, or inked the contract because NVIDIA's woes put Apple in a better position to negotiate costs. From the standpoint of the broad spectrum of Mac users, graphics performance must not be a priority, but that still doesn't explain the obsolete hardware, especially for a "new" model.
Again, nobody buys an integrated GPU for the sake of 3D performance. Indeed, Apple is stuck with NVIDIA for either contractual reasons, or because they don't want to invest in update the lower end of the MacBook line.
Personally, I'm not surprised the i3-330UM is still relatively uncommon, since the subnotebook segment was one of the biggest nonevents of the last decade. Oddly enough, mainstream PC manufacturers shifted to full powered iCore derivative when they updated compact models that had previously used CULV derivatives of the Core 2 Duo. Battery life didn't suffer all that much and there was more consumer appeal. -
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The SU9400 @ 1.4GHz = 963 Passmark CPU Points
The i3 330UM @ 1.2GHz = 1196 Passmark CPU Points
The SU9600 @ 1.6GHz = 1128 Passmark CPU Points
Also, the SU94/9600 consumes less power, and from what I have read, runs cooler. So I welcome it. -
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Those SU9400/SU9600 scores look like the results are bit lower than what they should be because W7 yields better results. I'm sure a lot of users ran those tests in Vista. I own a TT with a SU9600 and score just under 1400 passmark points in W7, not much of than what some i5 UM processors score. C2D ULV laptops also do get better battery life than there present day counterparts.
I see the point that linuxwanabe is making about the CPU being old tech. The MBA is no gaming machine but it is capable of playing games much better than ultraportables with Intel HD graphics. The 320M was introduced in 2009 or 2010 so to say that Apple could have made this laptop in 2008 is not quite true. If it is like this next year people will be much less forgiving.
It was interesting seeing the CDM, i had read some posts that the MBA SSD outperformed the Intel G2 SSD which does not appear to be the case. Although i do realise the benchmarks cannot always tell the whole strory.
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The real issue here is that Apple is using a processor that appeared in the 3rd Quarter of 2008. Most other manufacturers have discontinued, or will soon discontinue, their remaining CULV Core 2 Duo equipped notebooks. Apple is entering the game a full 2 years behind in the hardware cycle.
At $999, all this product really has going for it is the shrunken form factor. It's a lot of money to pay for a product that could just as easily have premiered in October 2008. -
Again, DO RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING WILD, IRRATIONAL, EXTREMELY BIASED CLAIMS. You have no idea what you're talking about, and it's obvious that even if Apple had given up graphics performance for an insignificant increase in processor performance, you would still be complaining. All that you're doing is derailing the topic with false, biased claims because you hate Apple and NVidia. Please, just leave, or get some informed facts and unbiased opinions. -
Yes, it's expensive. We get it. Yes, the form factor is its principal - but not only major feature. Most CULV notebooks don't have as powerful graphics. Most CULV notebooks are thicker. Most CULV notebooks are plastic. Most CULV notebooks have awful trackpads. Most CULV notebooks have worse build quality. Most, not all.
All other CULV notebooks run Windows.
With a Core series ULV (stop calling them iCores) Apple would have been forced to use Intel's integrated graphics AND a discrete GPU. Intel's HD graphics ARE NOT SUFFICIENT for Cupertino's intent. Got it? There's more to life than 1080p video. Both the operating system and applications are becoming increasingly reliant on GPU acceleration, to a point.
Enough bickering. If you guys have new arguments pro or con, feel free to post them, but stop rehashing the same thing over and over.Last edited by a moderator: Jan 29, 2015 -
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We have been seeing mini pci-e ssd's around for a while but i would say that Apple has no doubt brought things to another level.
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For all the advanced technology packed into this beast, its pretty disappointing that Apple's QC still hasn't become as 'cutting edge' as their designs.....
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As far as the current reliability issues, they might be hardware related. Apple probably doesn't have the reliability to offer a standard 3 year warranty, something that's expected for most high end business quality PCs. In this respect, the MacBook line is far behind HP's high end Elitebook and Dell's Latitude/Precision lines.
Apple has a good reputation, but the reality is a bit more complex. I've seen Apple Stores where people are waiting in line, not just for sales, but for service issues. The service queues are so long that I've actually seen Apple Store employees attempting to service a MacBook outside of a store. -
My Core i3 330um got about 1300 points. On my SU4100 I got 1073 points, that's a 1.3GHz 2MB cache.
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Fair enough that the Core2Duo's are the only ones that will support the Nvidia GPU's but I think putting an i3 in the laptop with an INtel HD Gpu would have been a better move. "Overall" system performance would have been better. And thats what is really important here. -
I bought the new Air 11'' a few days ago. This is my first Mac after a long list of Windows machines (desktops and laptops). Granted I am still learning the new OS, I can honestly say that for my needs this is the best computer I have ever used. Extremely snappy for everyday tasks, extremely portable, instant on/off for all practical purposes, and with a build quality that is several orders of magnitude above whatever I have seen anywhere else. I thought my carbon fiber sony was well constructed, but it simply cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with the MBA in terms of design, ruggedness and overall feel. This thing barely gets warm even after hours of use and it is dead silent - I have yet to feel or hear the fan (not that I have been in a completely silent room though). Oh, and let's not forget this beautiful enormous track pad it comes with and works brilliantly. Overall a very mature product.
Could I get a machine with a faster processor and more ram with the same amount of money? Sure I could. Would this buy me a faster and in general better computing experience? After having used Windows machines for so many years I highly doubt. Am I on the verge of becoming a fanboy? I don't know, but if I am completely satisfied I don't see the reason why I shouldn't...
One thing I know for sure. I have ceased being an Intel fanboy - measuring everything computer related in terms of the MHz of the processor. Give me less bloat, better software optimization and integration and I give you the extra MHz any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Just my $.02 of course -
For a similar price as the Air you could also get an Acer 1830T with Core i7 and Sandforce SSD. Under medium / heavier usage it will scream past the Air, except for GPU dependent tasks.
The strength of the Air lies in other areas. The screen quality, build quality and touch pad are light years beyond Acer's in my opinion.
For the record, I own both Acer 1830T and MBA at the moment.
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Yes, you are right about the Acer. So, when it comes to raw performance you need to distinguish between CPU and GPU intensive tasks. Which are more prevalent in everyday use? I guess it depends on the user so we cannot be absolute about it.
But, I think at some point we need to see past the raw CPU performance. What about poorly written software, bloatware, unnecessary services running in the background, antivirus running there as well, driver issues ect? Don't we waste cpu cycles there? I used to be a vaio p owner (first gen. 1.6 atom with 64gb ssd) and my miserable experience taught me an important lesson: It's not the specs, it's the implementation. I spent money to buy a 1.6 processor that most of the time was operating at 800mhz due to heat issues. Even with a processor that has such low energy requirements, vaio p could not dissipate heat properly because of its small body and the less than optimal drivers.
Come now to the Air. Minuscule body with zero heat issues. Ho do they do it? Is it only a matter of brilliant hardware engineering? Is it a matter of software? Is it both? I guess the latter.
Which brings us full circle to the beginning of my post. What we experience from a computer is the result of so many different factors - not simply the cpu. So if someone needs an ultra-portable machine I would highly recommend to pay a very close look at the MBA. Imo it is a superb, very mature product that will pay back its asking price and then some... -
I prefer to compare the 11.6" Air with 11.6" competition. I can understand a Vaio P with 1.6GHz Atom will give poor performance. It has to do with both specs and implementation in my opinion.
OS X or a clean install Windows 7 work equally fast and well for me. The problem is that many Windows notebooks come with a lot of bloatware. If people don't remove this they get mediocre performance.
About the heat of the Air, the 11.6" Air was measured at 48 degrees C. For comparison, the Acer 1830t with core i5 was measured at 42 degrees C.
Notebookjournal mentions aggressive CPU throttling on the new Air. The CPU clocks down to 800MHz under extreme loads, to avoid over heating.
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Yes of course, all Intel processors support throttling - the question is how often the machine crosses the threshold to trigger it. I referred to the vaio p not because the atom is weak (it is...) but as an example of how often the machine would reach the threshold and trigger throttling.
There is also another more subtle issue. We are comparing different platforms here, not just different hardware. No matter what processor/ssd the Acer has, it will never cold boot in 15 sec. Same thing holds for various other aspects. For example, the bundled s/w (iLife ect) is surprisingly good and runs very fast (I am still learning). For many users some of these programs may replace much heavier alternatives, which also "boosts" performance.
In any case, I don't think there is a clear winner here, but if someone is looking into the MBA category he should at least try it first before judging in terms of raw cpu numbers. -
The Acer is helped by the fact that there's a lot more airflow possible of course, due to the thicker chassis.
Don't get me wrong I like the Air a lot but as with every notebook there are downsides. Especially people that plan to do a lot of CPU intensive tasks should consider alternatives. -
Oh, yeah. OS X boots quick on the Air thanks to the SSD. Windows 7 can boot pretty much just as fast. I've also used notebooks which, when paired with an SSD, respond from sleep as quickly as the Air - i.e., by the time you get the lid up. That SSD is central to the Air's performance. It's not a bad thing, it just is what it is.
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Another case of Apple's marketing tricks fooling the customer into thinking that OS X offers something that other OS's can't.
Trust us; the SSD is the only reason it's so fast. You could easily get the same results with any other OS. You' are a bit right about the CPU cycles, but OS X also has background services; it just has a few less of them. Unless you're using a Pentium 4 or an Atom, it's a moot point. -
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Also, the reason the queue lines are so long at the Genius Bar is because people like instant gratification. Most of the time the genius at the bar can fix software issues pretty quickly without having to send the notebook off. Leaving a notebook at the Apple Store for service is also a little faster... trust me, I know. Apple's mail in service doesn't take very long at all, compared to the other companies (Dell & HP). -
Anyways, I haven't been able to make my Win7 machine boot from cold in 15 secs, but I don't doubt the claim of the friend above - it is not like I have tested every ssd on the planet. Nor have I tested the energy consumption of the sleep state between 7 and X. It would be interesting to see some numbers. Because instant-on boils down exactly to this: how energy efficient the sleep state really is. -
YouTube - windows 7 64bit fastest boot OCZ VERTEX II
here is a 14-17 second one and I know of members on the forums being faster yet
an 8 seconder
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^^ Really impressive, but I guess it is not just because of this insanely speedy OCZ drive, is it? I mean, can you do this without any tweaking?
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And that's a serious question. I'm not doubting you, but I want to know how that works. -
We may argue that both an X platform and a Y platform recover from sleep in .5 sec. But the X killed 20% of the battery while staying asleep, whereas the Y machine only 5%. Even though both recovered at the same time, they are not both equally "instant on" if you excuse my expression. It is recovering from sleep in relation to how much energy you lost during sleep that matters -
Well, sort of. You're sidestepping the idea of reducing the power draw while maintaining the speed of sleep state reversals.
Given that Apple has been pretty conservative lately with battery life estimates, I'm inclined to believe their 30 day sleep claims, which would make it pretty efficient compared to some laptops. -
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On the flipside, if an OEM were to get even half that amount, it would kill a bit of the "wow" factor for Apple...
Apple MacBook Air (11.6-inch) Review Discussion
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