2016 and Beyond: What are we missing in laptops/notebooks?

When I wanted to hook up my gt80 to an external monitor I realized I didn't have a keyboard lol ... Because the titans keyboard was op. Problem is the laptop has to be open to use the built in keyboard and its display would be in front of my monitor... So I kinda gave up on external monitors.

 

That's quite confusing.... Why didn't you get an external keyboard?

 

cuz im a highschool student

 

I disagree about external monitors. Anandtech hit the nail on the head with his take on it. If you're on the go (as I frequently am) this is an amazing piece of tech that offers a benefit not previously available for mobile use.

What's missing from laptops/notebooks in 2016 & beyond is designers & consumers who don't operate from an egocentric mindset. In a perfect world, we all have liquid cooled desktops & 6x 4k, 240hz displays & a battalion of SLI'd GPUs to run them all. We'd also never have to roam outside a 5 mile radius from our houses (even on vacation).

...but since that's not realistic (or even practical), how about we stop poo-pooing progress in the laptop segment? I love seeing ideas/prototypes like this--because it is slowly chipping away at the vestiges where desktops have a clear advantage. Because eventually everything WILL get smaller & more portable. And people not chained to their own backyards are rejoicing for it.

p.s.
not sure where "creates more problems than it solves" applies to small 4k displays. Vision checked lately?

 

But you have GT80.. That means that not money is the problem, no?/....

Let me explain

I was extremely enthused with having a 4K laptop

Until actually held one in hands.

The resolution cannot run native. You cannot click a single thing at 4K with no scaling. Windows scaling doesn't always work or for everything, sometimes fonts are blurry, and if writing / typing is all you do, then you're out of luck.

As I said before, having multiple displays on the go is useless if we don't cover adobeRGB and add at least to 450nits of luma and don't get rid of burn in before that.



I love progress but want it where it matters. I want displays to reach 32K pixels per 32 inch - but we need high quality scaling, GPU and CPU power and display controllers to use those.

 

Umm I have 0 access to $$$

That's why I haven't traded up yet...

 

I don't know what to tell you. I'm running native 4k right now, and I'm not having issues.

 

Native 4K on a 17.3" display with no DPI scaling?

 

Agreed. The majority of users, even those with graphic design needs, will still not benefit from a small 4K display until at the very least all scaling issues are addressed.

 

It's mostly a matter of habit rather than eyesight, which is possibly why you see so much emotional comments around "reasonable" DPI levels.

I have no problem running Linux desktop apps on a 5" 1080p phone at default scaling and I know people who do it on 2.5K phones. They drag around 1 pixel wide window borders just fine. On the other side there are people with better (close-up) eyesight than me who hate 1080p laptops with a passion.

 

99% of pro applications have been updated with proper high DPI scaling support.

People just need to check the application preferences if an application is not doing it natively.
Or
There are ways to force scaling using a custom manifest.

 

So which one of you did this? Lol

https://www.cnet.com/news/razer-prototypes-stolen-ces-2017/

Off topic I know but we where talking about it a bit ago.

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^ Well that sucks. Could be any of a number of things. Not just a freeloader who wants a cool new gimmick or a rival PC company engaged in corporate espionage. Could be Razer engaged in some kind of insurance fraud too. IDK.

What pisses me off though, is as long as Razer keeps floating the idea of "corporate espionage", it will likely dissuade any other companies from being competing designs to market--even if they are substantially different. (And even if the entire angle of corporate espionage is an outright lie).

Meaning that this idea will now languish on the vine & die. And it's a damn shame. I'm ready to drop cash for 3x 4k's in 15" chassis.

 

That triple screen RBP is the stupidest thing I've seen. But then so is the 2017 RBP...

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With what GPU? I don't think even dual 1080s will do decent fps on 3x4k.

 

Makes you wonder though, in a place full of people and cameras how could someone just steal a thing that is THAT big and unwieldy to carry around.

 

Some strange people waste their PCs on non-modern-AAA-gaming tasks you know.

 

*facepalm*

You fell for my "egocentric" trap card. Not everyone uses devices in precisely the same way you would. So what would I love 3 screens for?

-FAQ page opened while playing a game
-Skype/email/chat opened while playing a game
-Download status/tracking open while playing a game
-MP3 player visible while playing a game

etc, etc, etc

Windowed on 15" is already dangerously small (imho) of a display to enjoy gaming on. Being able to (essentially) go full-screen on my game, while still having desktop real-estate to work with...that's a dream come true.

P.S.
Koala is correct. Not everyone is dropping 70 bucks on a bleeding-edge game & then dumping it after 2 months to get the next $70 bleeding edge game.

 

It's not actually how I would use it. I'm anticipating how Razer's target audience might think it can be used. They make and market these things to folks that are going to open them up and try to do 3x4k surround gaming first thing and then get mad when it can't. If it was a company I might associate more with practicality or productivity I wouldn't have said anything. Like Lenovo, or MSI because you know there'd be a workstation version, which would be way better.

 

I have respect for you on this reply because that's kinda true...

Razer typical buyers would expect 4Kx3 monitors if the laptop has that.

I'm not sure what Razer buyers think about temps and performance tho...

I might as well have bought a Razer myself since I use my 775 in auto profiles most of times

 

I think the biggest disappoint for anyone who buys the new RBP will be the very low performance / cost ratio. Given that the RBP17's 1080 runs at about 1070 performance... While I am more BGA tolerant than some, this machine's existence smells of BGA abuse to me =P

 

I didn't say as much but that's half the reason I figured the other one wouldn't perform well. Not so much the BGA but what would give anyone the impression that something that thin with a 1080 will cool well at all?

 

I want a Panasonic Toughbook with Nvidia GTX 1080 and skylake cpu. Should fit in that chassic like a charm. And of course 100hz screen.

 

Since progress is being made in roll-up displays, how about this? A laptop screen that's like roll-up window-shade. Preferably rolling from the side--that way the display can mimic multiple-monitor setups w/o the bezels. Project Valerie but w/o the hard form-factor.

 

That would be sweet. Or one huge external roll up display so you don't have whatever it rolls into as a permanent part of the computer.

 

That would be some awesome!

If those will come with enough brightness, we will be able to enjoy a portable home cinema!

 

I was promised non-projector TV walls in like the '90s. Maybe it will happen soon with this tech.

 

gotta go big cpu boys, skylake-x with 12 cores thanks

 

Spam Clevo with requests.

 

how would we go about doing that? i know eurocom asked so far, have you sent request to them yet? the next gen HEDT CPU got turbo 3.0 so its pretty promising if we can get a good bios that supports it.

 

Was mostly being sarcastic. Pretty sure all re sellers have reached out by now.

 

Modularity.

I like the whole Nvidia idea of an external gpu. I'd love to have a thin board that a monitor can attach to and a keyboard/ track pad. You could use it as a htpc, laptop, desktop, dock, etc.

 

Total modularity would be interesting for sure, not sure how they'd pull that off.

 

Do you lift bro?
Nah I game.

 

See! It would give gamers exercise too.

Basically docks. My beater Asus Transformer T100T has the detachable keyboard, which also has USB 3.0 on it. So just imagine that but with modern/ future hardware. I'd imagine three detachables, and a bottom dock. Screen section, keyboard/ track pad, board with maybe one or two 3.0 USBs and maybe a mini display port. Then a dock that would have a GPU, psu, cooling, etc. Throttle the hell out of it when it is not docked, to lower energy consumption and heat.

I travel a lot, so at home I have a "dock" which is just a cooling pad, but it is behind a monitor. I have a standalone keyboard, mouse, and power cable at the monitor. So when I want to actually game, I set the laptop down on the pad, hookup the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and power cable. I also have a removable GPU, so that goes in as well. Then I change the power settings so it is running up to 100% of the CPU, boom gaming rig!

 

I'm impressed, what sort of performance do you get with that setup?

 

Things I'd like to see more common or brought in to notebooks/laptops:

- an internal Xbox one wireless adapter. Maybe build in wireless cards or as separate module. Don't like that massive dongle.

- oled 120hz gsynch panels for all common sizes. Or at least IPS.

- individual rgb keyboards instead of zone lighting.

- aero 15, XPS style infinity displays.

- 99wh batterys

- undervolt-able gpu functions trough drivers/controlled panels.

- sd card reader and lan port being standard by law if the notebook has a dedicated gpu over a certain tdp.

- smaller power bricks.

 

We already have bluetooth in laptops, to fulfill xbox one controller part.

The individual RGB keyboards are steadily arriving.

Can you provide a picture of the XPS style infinite displays?

99WH batteries are pretty huge bro.

Undervolts won't really be supported.. eh.. for the nearest future, people are going to screw this up.

Smaller power bricks? Well I mean, they are prtty small these days

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=inf...cuOjUAhXKbD4KHf_oBm0Q_AUICigC&biw=414&bih=660

The only small power bricks I've seen are 80/90/120W. My 180 and 240 aren't small.


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Ah wow, they fill the whole bezel! Lovely displays yes.

I have this 240W one, it is pretty slim compared to my original brick.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004MINJWM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Yeah that looks like mine. It came with the dock, so it stays put most of the time anyway. I'd agree the tech has improved and they're slimmer while still being good quality, but the 80/90 W ones I was referring to can be less than half the size (of my 180W one), I think.

Edit: this ones only 65W, but a good example: https://finsix.com/

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- I believe only the newest Xbox controllers (bundled with the one S) have Bluetooth. And even then, via Bluetooth you don't get the full functionality. I also believe that the elite one can't be configured with the app, if you don have the dongle or a wired connection.

- smaller power bricks: as small as possible in the required power range.

- new battery tech needs to roll in faster then!

- http://i.dell.com/sites/imageconten...-9560-laptop/laptop-xps-15-pdp-polaris-02.jpg

- then we need RGB hinges next! Kek

 

A lot of this exists but because of design limitations not in the same laptop.

 

Vega Ryzen + 120HZ GSYNC IPS panel.

 

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, yet, but how about full desktop PCIe slots in enthusiast laptops?

Also toward the smaller end, I'd really like a pocketable laptop (or phablet w/folding keyboard) that runs full desktop Windows or Linux, with overlapping windows, taskbar & menu, multitasking, etc, and has decent performance comparable to an entry-level gaming desktop. (An equivalent today might have a G4560 + GTX 1050, or R3-1100 + RX 560.)

 

16:10

 

you mean Freesync

Gsync is Nvidia only

 

Yep.

 

144hz g-sync 4k 100%adobergb hdr ready bezzeless + core i9 =