The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    Is this a fair price for a m11x?

    Discussion in 'Notebook and Tech Bargains' started by liverkick, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. liverkick

    liverkick Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    i3 m11x r2 for 400 dollars or a msi gx70 destroyer 3be for 800 dollars.

    Which one seems like the better deal? Thanks in advance
     
  2. liverkick

    liverkick Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    $575 for a m11xr3 i7 in what appears to be excellent condition still with box and all that jazz. Correct me if I'm wrong but the going rate is around 800 correct?

    Thanks in advance
     
  3. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,878
    Trophy Points:
    931
    How are M11x's still going for so much? Any modern CPU IGP performance is better than the 335m.
     
    liverkick likes this.
  4. liverkick

    liverkick Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I have no clue.. I believe the r3 has a 5 series card or something but it's still less than 1,000 3D mark score
     
  5. Game7a1

    Game7a1 ?

    Reputations:
    529
    Messages:
    3,159
    Likes Received:
    1,040
    Trophy Points:
    231
    GT 540m, but outside the Iris , HD 6000, and mid to high-end AMD APUs, every iGPU still under-performs compared to the 540m (the HD 5600 iGPU is supposed to be better than the 540m).
    Compared to the GT 335m, anything worse than the HD 4400 is worse compared to the GT 335m.
    Just adding on information.
     
    liverkick likes this.
  6. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,878
    Trophy Points:
    931
    HD 4600 compares/beats the 540m, and that was the R3. This is the R2 which is 335m which is anemic compared to even the HD 4400 in ULV CPU's. Point being is that you can find 12-13" notebooks that have HD 4400 or 4600 and can compete/beat the 335m and even run comparable or better than the 540m. Those are ancient architectures and have much higher power consumption, not to mention older I/O tech like USB 2.0 only.

    If you want small, you can go with something like the Lenovo X250 for < $800 and get something as portable, more powerful, better display, and full featured compared with the M11x R3 even. Or go with the 13.3" Clevo W230SD with GTX 960m, 108p IPS panel, and quad core i7 CPU for about $1000.

    I wouldn't touch the M11x R2.
     
    liverkick likes this.
  7. Game7a1

    Game7a1 ?

    Reputations:
    529
    Messages:
    3,159
    Likes Received:
    1,040
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Liverkick mentioned the both the R3 and R2, so it was appropriate to talk about both GPUs.
    The only source I have for my comparisons is notebookcheck. Can you provide numbers about the HD 4600 beating the 540m?
    At least one could overclock the GT 540m, but given the cooling on the m11x, I don't think that would be a good idea. Same goes for the CPU in the m11xR2 and R1, but it wouldn't be worth it for the aforementioned reason.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2015
    liverkick likes this.
  8. liverkick

    liverkick Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    6
    That's insane that Intel gfx have evolved that much..
     
  9. ryukenden

    ryukenden Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    14
    Messages:
    504
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Yeah, I find that hard to believe myself.
     
  10. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,878
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Why is it hard to believe? 540m was a low-mid end GPU at launch and is nearly 4 years old. See some of this benchmarking I did with HD 4000, HD 4600, and AMD 8250 and 7660G: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/htwingnuts-sager-np8250-clevo-p157sm-review.722048/#igpbench

    Click the spoiler tag.

    Also some earlier details found here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...weights-amd-7660g-vs-intel-hd4000-igp.719546/

    Go ahead and compare. I don't have a 540m, but I can guarantee you that HD 4600 can easily outperform a 540m.
     
  11. Craig9080

    Craig9080 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    38
    Messages:
    121
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Back to the point of this thread. Your always going to pay for condition on an older laptop. Just like a 10 year old car in factory condition and 20K miles is going to be priced above what KBB would ever say it is worth.
     
  12. HTWingNut

    HTWingNut Potato

    Reputations:
    21,580
    Messages:
    35,370
    Likes Received:
    9,878
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Not entirely. Laptops age and technology is surpassed by leaps and bounds every few years. A 1960's vintage muscle car can still outperform many modern vehicles, and look better in the eyes of many. An M11x can be outperformed by pretty much any recent laptop out there. So unless you're in love with the looks of the thing, there is no reason for it to carry much more value for a "like new" over a "heavily used" newer one.
     
  13. Craig9080

    Craig9080 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    38
    Messages:
    121
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I agree that computers and cars are not the same thing and no one, besides science museums, is looking for a used computer from the 60's. But if someone wants a particular model, for whatever reason, condition will still play a role. For example, a 13 year old Focus SVT (a car that was a nice hot hatch when it came out and now doesn't even compete with the base focus) goes for around $3,500 on average with almost 100k miles but a pristine version can fetch $10k. I know I just said that computers and cars are not the same but I know more about cars than computer (odd thing for a CS degree holding individual to say) but I think the analogy works. If the OP is not enamored with the M11x, then look elseware. My M11x R2 was the only car I ever regretted selling, that being said I had a *****in' desktop that I build for almost 3 years after that and am now hammering the keys on a very nice Alienware 13.
     
  14. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

    Reputations:
    1,456
    Messages:
    8,707
    Likes Received:
    3,315
    Trophy Points:
    431
    ... And your selling your Alienware 13 now...
     
  15. Craig9080

    Craig9080 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    38
    Messages:
    121
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Going to an i7 AW 13. The GA has a hard time working with any real powerful cards on the i5. Still love the computer, but its not a future resistant as I think AW led it on to be. The computer by itself, if you buy it for it alone and are not interested in the GA, is a phenomenal piece of kit and does it's job very well.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2015
    TomJGX likes this.
  16. nightingale

    nightingale Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    182
    Messages:
    418
    Likes Received:
    279
    Trophy Points:
    76
    while you wont be bottlenecked much in the literal definition with the ulv i5, you wont be maximizing performance gains from said desktop gpu which is kind of troll for alienware to even market it as such. If the 4710hq soft block's some of the 970m/980m performance i cannot imagine that the ulv can ever keep up completely with any desktop grade gpu.