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    Clevo M570RU-U NB8E-SE For $369.99

    Discussion in 'Notebook and Tech Bargains' started by KPot2004, Dec 4, 2009.

  1. KPot2004

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    They really aren't very good deals, you can find a refurb laptop thats more up to date.
     
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    Any examples? Looking for something that has an 8700M GT 512mb DDR3 or better.
     
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    Ewww....

    That is 15.4" WXGA vs. the 17" WUXGA on the Clevo.
     
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    The only ones which I may consider are better deals are the refurbished Asus G Series laptops at Buy.com. Those only have WXGA and WXGA+, but make up for it with the GTX 260M.

    Also the Compal KHLB2 or JHLB2 barebones with ATI 4650 for $420.

    These Clevo's are still terrific deals though.

    The Refurbished G50's give you the most horsepower (GTX 260M which is a 9800 GT).

    The Clevo's give you a full 1920*1200 display with an 8800MGTX (which is an 8800 GS).

    The Compal JHLB2 is much lighter and offers great battery life with solid performance in the 4650 Mobility. (which is actually a real GDDR3 4650 with the clocks at 600/800 rather than 650/1000).
     
  8. alitunay

    alitunay Power Seller

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    I don;t see much of a difference in gaming performance between 8800M GTX vs 260M GTX. Only difference you see on those benchmarks is the CPU effected differences. Ofcourse a quad core will perform better than a T7700 etc.
     
  9. Rorschach

    Rorschach Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    because the 260m gtx in the is under clocked to the old 9800mgtx clocks and when the 8800m gtx and 9800m gtx where compared before it was at best 10% difference. That is not the case though when a 260m gtx is run at the proper clocks.
     
  10. alitunay

    alitunay Power Seller

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    Underclocked, overclocked etc. Out of the box this system with a X7800 gets about 10K 3dmark06 and can get upto 1.2 if well overclocked both CPU and GPU. That is very similar to what an Asus or even M15x performs.
     
  11. clevoguy

    clevoguy Notebook Guru

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    I wouldn't trust the word of someone trying to sell the exact model on ebay....trying to get people to believe you with advertising things like your laptops get 12k 3dmark06 is borderline false advertising. Thats not possible at the standard resolution with 3dmark06 and a x7900 cpu.
     
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    Don't buy it from me then. By the way, I also sell Asus and M15x.
     
  13. Cobra03

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    It could be very possible, My GX720 with an ATI 3870 got almost 11k Overclocked at the standard resolution in 3dmark06. The 8800m GTX is a good overclocker + the x7900 can be oc'd also.
     
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    x7800 can be overclocked to 3.0GHZ from BIOS. After that you can use SetFSB to overclock it further. Since these computers have one of the best (and noisy) coolings it can handle OC upto 3.3GHZ.
     
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    clevoguy Notebook Guru

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    right.....so your providing no proof that you can do it and not only that advertising on here that you are doing this with the brand new laptops that you are selling?? Uhem and you don't sell anything on here after being kicked out of the bst section how many times?
     
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    I am not overclocking the ones that I am selling and this is not the first time I am getting these computers. Again, you don;t need to buy from me at all. Just buy the barebone. Why would I keep bumping the barebone's post if I wanted to sell my computers that bad?

    All I want to say, this one with 8700M and the other model that has 8800M, they are both great systems who wants an affordable gaming system. And that is that.
     
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    and all he is saying is that someone could easily buy a more up to date laptop for less....the laptops being advertised are 3 generations old now and do not support quad core and not to mention the 8700m gt is one of the gpu's affected by nvidias week fabrication. Thats not exactly something that people should pay a premium for and be sol when it comes to warranty.
     
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    Please post these "more up to date laptops" for less.

    I don't care if they're 66 generations old. How many companies offer a 1920*1200 display? or an 8800 GS in their laptop?

    quad core? The only PC games that I see that really benefit from the quad are GTA 4 & ARMA II. I don't think those two unoptimized games deserve a $1300-$3000+ laptop specifically.

    Nvidia's new midrange offerings still can't top the 8700M GT & the 8800M GTX can run 99.99% of games at 1920*1200. So what's the problem?

    By the time games really benefit from quad, we'll be posting about the quad barebones for $349 and $549, which would be a smart buy :p

    But I agree that anything more than $195 worth of components in either machine sort of ruins the deal.
     
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    1722 in my sig was 550$ assembled. You can easily find refurb g50vt laptops for under 700$ on ebay. A 8700m gt and a 1920x1200 screen is pointless you can't play games at that resolution. I chose the 1722 for the upgrade options and quadcore support.
     
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    The laptop in your sig has a 9600M GT, which is an 8700M GT... $550?

    I can put together the $369 WUXGA|8700M GT machine for $479. Imagine a core 2 duo WUXGA 9600M GT on the market for $499? Do you think it would sell even though it does not have 'quad support'? ... Don't be silly, of course it would...

    The refurb G50VT-X5's you're referring to all have defects. Yeah, those ones from 'cowboom'. The G50vt-x1's have a terrible WXGA LCD. These Clevo's are new...

    A 1920 *1200 screen is a 1920*1200 screen, not everyone just cares about playing new video games at 1080P + 8*AA, 16* AF... There is absolutely nothing wrong with owning a WUXGA screen without an SLI'd OC'd super duper GPU. But even more than that, a few years ago people had no problem spending $2000+ on the same WUXGA|8700M GT machine you now say is 'pointless'. That's interesting...

    Why would you put a quad in a 9600M GT machine? you say a 1920*1200 screen is "pointless", but you want to put a fast CPU in a laptop where the GPU is clearly the bottleneck?...
     
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    Perhaps you should follow more about msi laptops. Who said the cpu was all I will be upgrading.


    Unfortunately you really aren't paying attention which is dissapointing because you made some decent points. To even get the laptop its 417.98 $ out the door. Thats not including ram a cpu and hdd. The average lowest price for a t7100 cpu is about 60$. So I don't see how you came up with that number. Don't forget theres no warranty and no refund option available on these laptops plus the 8700m gt is one of the defective gpu's from nvidia. Thats not something you want to see next to "brand new laptop". Those people that bought 8700m sli laptops over a year ago also knew they could and most did actually upgrade their laptops to 8800m or 9800m gpu's. A wuxga screen is wasted on a low end gpu. Not something I would expect you to understand though.
     
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    Who said that there is no warranty? Worst case scenerio, you have paypal to return to the seller. And you are claiming that all 8700M GTs are defective which is not the case. Also WUXGA screen is not wasted even when you use an integrated GPU. It is desktop asset. LEt me put this way, You can sell the GPU on ebay for $200 and the screen for $130. Optical drive with the basel is another $50. Do the calculation. MSI barebones that many people bought when the scam was going on were awesome deals but if you want to buy even the barebone from a legit website you will spend about $600.
     
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    A GPU upgrade in that MSI would be silly, better off going for a refurb GTX 260M Asus. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're upgrading that any other laptop can't.

    so you think...

    Given it's the same laptop, logically, these people can do the same, FOR MUCH LESS. You're making my point.

    lol, Again, a wuxga screen is a 1200P monitor. Video games? some people use those pixels for work, bluray movies, photo shop, etc... there is no argument here.

    A few good companies offer warranties.

    The bottom line is, if you want it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But you have yet to provide better alternatives.
     
  24. Rorschach

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    Please tell me you didn't seriously buy these thinking they came with a warranty???
    It says so in caps right at the bottom

    ITEM SOLD AS IS, NO WARRANTY. ALL UNITS ARE TESTED AND VERIFIED AS WORKING CONDITION BEFORE SHIPPING.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/M570RU-U-NB8E-S...iewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item3354378849

    I don't have to think unlike many people I actually read before buying....seems you skipped the part about they include tax and shipping in the price. There is no blu ray player......standard def videos look worse not better when you stretch them out on a wuxga screen.

    Well since I had planned to buy the other 3 laptops from the person who sold my laptop, but seeing as how you need proof here. My laptop does have a warranty and it does not come with a defective gpu, laptop is already registered on msi's website.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330383393039&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
     
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    Not everyone lives in California. $24 shipping? lol, who cares?

    I want to see you're top 3 at least WUXGA & 8700M GT (9600M GT) machines under $550. Or barebones starting at $370 with dedicated graphics and a 1200P screen.
     
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    I want to see you post how you pulled 479$ out your backside for a complete laptop.
     
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    $479 is looking kind of high, I'm thinking $459 with a smaller HDD. :p
     
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    I have been on ebay long enough to know a thing or two. He says everything is funtional ,you get a defective unit, you return it, no questions.
     
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    Again, that's not a bad deal, but where are all the MSI's? Where can we find these MSI barebones? I see one other which is already at $400 with 2 days left.

    The quantity of the Clevo's will keep the price down.

    The scarcity of those MSI auctions with no buynow will drive up the price.
     
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    Right and I'm the one who doesn't post proof....sigh no point in arguing with a Canadian. Their noses are stuck up so high they would drown in the shower. Like you would know anything about high end laptops.....


    Edit:Altuinay it was rather silly to purchase brand new laptops with no warranty. As a seller though you did take a extra precaution by linking people to squaretrade. I've heard mixed reviews about them, but you did actually take a unessecary step to offer some form of warranty so kudos.


    Sure a mod will be along soon to shut this down.

    BUYER BE WARE
     
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    that's ironic..... :)

    All I'm concerned about is $$$, I could care less out 'high end laptops', caviar, and fine wine, genius.

    That NP9262 (practical desktop) you got there cost me $399 as an actual desktop, smart guy.
     
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    I provide 30 days warranty. If anybody has any issues 30 days, I take care of them. You are making assumptions and than accusing me with those assumptions. You don;t get more than 600 positive feedbacks (100% positive and platinum power seller) by scamming people. Watch what you are saying and talk about computers.
     
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    Thread has deteriorated into bickering and is now closed.

    Also, if you want to sell an item on this forum, Do it in the Marketplace forum after reading the forum rules as well as the the BST rules.