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    using SIM card data while disabling GPS

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by kenny1999, Aug 23, 2016.

  1. kenny1999

    kenny1999 Notebook Evangelist

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    Using SIM card data while disabling GPS on the mobile devices or laptops, could the exact location be traced down?

    Does SIM card itself contain any location?

    I watch Hollywood movie and know it's possible to detect the location with the SIM by Police Officer.
    However, we can assume that this would not happen because I will not do anything illegal or be investigated by the officer.

    Could any apps or software be able to find out your location from your SIM card, once the apps /software is installed?


    Another question:
    When WiFi is ON, it's possible to detect the location of the devices without GPS, is the location detected "very precise", "not very precise" or "very not precise", if you describe?
     
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    Your mobile operator can approximate your location and that is the information cops are given - other than the authorities and your mobile operator no one from the outside can locate you.
    If Wi-Fi is on and/or packet data is on your location can be approximated based on SSIDs of neighboring networks (I did explain how Google mapped this in another thread while answering your question) and on base transceiver station's (BTS) location - if map of these locations is public in your country.

    Si the SIM card alone is not a problem and Wi-Fi being on might be if you have a malicious application on your phone or if you allowed cellular data to be used for GPS to make fixing faster (I did not).
     
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    kenny1999 Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi, in the setting for location privacy in my Android device there is a choice that I can decide to use "celluar network" to help determine my location. My device is Samsung.

    Does it imply that while WiFi and GPS are both disabled, SIM can still be used to approximate my location without authorities or the mobile operator



    I remember what you said about Google earlier before. I am not worried about the Google company obtaining my location, however, could the information determined by those "mapping" method be collected by any other non-Google apps?


    In fact, if I disable the location for a particular apps, is it good enough for the Android system to protect my location details (either approximate or precise) from being collected by that apps?


    Last question, hope this is not too stupid

    After disabling all possible ways of determining my location information and my previous location information was recorded by Google, could any apps obtain those location information from my Google's location record?

    If my previous location information was not recorded by Google, could those location information be saved in any memory of my devices?
     
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    Using "cellular network" for precise location requires data transfer is I'm not mistaken - so not SIM as such, but an Internet connection.

    My way of dealing with this on Android is that I have location configured to use only GPS and no apps other than the ones that explicitly need it are allowed to access it (you can change that on Android MM - on official UI and from Android KK with an unofficial add-on).

    You can also clear Google location history either from your device of directly by logging into your Google account.

    That should be enough to ensure your location is kept to you although as always with Android - you can't be sure, it's a flexible system and therefore it's not a secure one (you always get either one or the other).
     
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    kenny1999 Notebook Evangelist

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    In the "Privacy" setting under Android, I have disabled "location"

    However, I will want to use a data SIM to access to the network.

    Just a guess, is it likely my location is still recorded?

    In iOS there is a clear button that you can choose which applications to enable or disable the location service. Is there such button in Android 5 ? It's 5.1 maybe I am not quite sure
     
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    No.

    I'm not sure about Android 5 but in Android 6 if you enter settings and then applications, if you click on any application, you can change its privileges like access to camera, location. memory, microphone etc.
    I don't remember if it was available on Android 5, check it out though.
     
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    kenny1999 Notebook Evangelist

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    Hello

    Normally, does my home wireless router (connected to PC) have any geo-tagged by default setting?

    Where and what's the keywords about disabling the geo-tagged in my wireless router??

    thanks!!


    Further question

    My lenovo laptop computer should not have GPS or antennas for data SIM, but it should be able to connect to nearby WiFi.

    The laptop is running on Windows 8

    Could the installed applications (software) obtain location information on a laptop that only have WiFi connection? Does windows 8 have location services for laptop
     
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    For the love of Bhaal, just get a VPN already - at least half of the plethora of threads you create are about your activities being intercepted by a third party. A VPN costs near enough nothing now and the price keeps going down - given your preocupation with privacy, it boggles the mind why you still haven't done this.

    Also, how are you paying for this mobile data? Hopefully not with a bank card or bank account...
     
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    You probably need to turn off SSID broadcast to prevent your wifi from being part of the geo-tagging database.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    no
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    It's a movie, not real life
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    Without GPS your phone/laptop with cell connection can be traced like wifi below. They can only tell the cell tower where you are connected to, not any direction or distance from it.

    That depends totally on wifi coverage. How far from the wifi access point can you connect to it? That's the circle of search radius when they know where you are connected to.
     
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    Hi,
    my desktop PC is connected to the cable broadband internet, with LAN wire, through a wireless modem.

    i.e. lan port-->wireless router-->PC

    As my desktop PC does not have any data SIM for cellular connection or GPS. The only physical location seen on the internet is the area where my ISP is located, which is very very approximated, isn't it?

    And it's not even in the same district with me but tens of miles away from the location of my PC, isn't it?

    In that case, how could the router get my location. I guess my cheap router does not have GPS or things like that, it only works as a wireless router to share the broadband connection for the mobile devices in my location


    Hello, in addition, what is the relationship between SSID broadcast with geo-tagging? I've just googled about SSID it looks like it's only about the WiFi security, it's only whether your WiFi network name is shown to the nearby people. If SSID is not disabled, it only shows the name of my wireless network isn't it? Isn't Geotagging about creating a location for a picture,video on a mobile device when location services is ON?

    By the way, who will have the privilege to geotag my home wireless router??
     
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    Anyone walking by with their phone with wifi on - Google and apples OS's send back data about where they are and what wifi networks they see nearby- this data can be massaged over time to generate a map by which location can be determined based on the signal strength of nearby networks (i.e. The phone just needs to be able to see the network, not connect to it). So unless running something like inSSIDer, they won't see the network and it won't be on the map.

    I'm just guessing here.


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    Oh ! Great new concept to me!
    But what's the parameter they are connecting to my router? SSID alone?

    Here I have two further question

    If I change my SSID name from time to time, would the geotag saved before become useless?

    Now I have my wireless router running continuously for quite some years and I never disabled SSID, I think my router is already geo-tagged, what I can do now to delete the tag? refreshing my router?
     
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    MAC address of the router's wireless card - MAC addresses are unique.