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    Neighbor's Itunes folder shows up in Itunes...stealing my WIFI?

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by Simic, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. Simic

    Simic Notebook Consultant

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    So when my roommate opened his Itunes tonight, the Itunes folder of one of our neighbors (whom we know) showed up in our Itunes network. Does this mean this individual is on our WIFI network? Is there any other way this can happen?

    The backstory: About eight months ago I let her access our WIFI network from her macbook (when she first moved in). She looked away as I typed it in and said she would only use our WIFI until she set up her own service (maybe she somehow retained the password?)...a couple days later she claimed to set up internet access and I have no reason not to believe her--until now I guess.
     
  2. Thomas

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    Change your password?
     
  3. flipfire

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    lol busted!

    Turn off your WIFI and ask her if you can use her internet because yours is broken
     
  4. Thomas

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    lol!
    Good idea!
     
  5. Johnny T

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    LOL! xD Block/Ban her MAC address! >=D Should be able to do it in router settings.
     
  6. Hep!

    Hep! sees beauty in everything

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    Yeah that means she's on the same network as you. It could be an accident, sometimes it will save one connection as default, and disconnect her from her own network and put her on yours.

    Change your security key without saying a word. But first, make sure you go to "my network places" and drop lots of pron in their shared folder :p
     
  7. Thomas

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    Fill up there HDD with random crap..lol
     
  8. Jstn7477

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    lol if your neighbor has a PC download a bunch of Mac .dmg files and put them in their shared folder.

    -J.B.
     
  9. Wirelessman

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    If she is cute I would just put my picture inside her folder :D
     
  10. Simic

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    Thanks for the confirmation guys.

    I'm now actually feeling kind of pissed. I wonder if there have been any violations of my privacy.

    I have a few questions for anybody who can help:

    1) Will simply changing my password be enough? This is a Linksys system and I'm obviously not a too savvy with this stuff.

    2) Is there any way in the future to check if somebody (or even just specifically her) is using my WIFI?

    3) What sort of violations of privacy might have transpired in the last eight months...Could she have easily looked through other files on our computers (one pc, one mac)? Or at our internet logs? I ask this in particular as her boyfriend is fairly passive-aggressive, kind of sneaky and not very friendly towards us at all, and I know he's on her computer all the time.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  11. flipfire

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    Since you already found out and have the advantage, i suggest playing around with them.

    QoS cap him to 1kbps. Watch her and her b/f pull each others hair out. Google should only take them about 5 mins to load.

    Then put photos of other guys all over mac when her b/f is around. This way you can watch real life drama unfold.

    Am i evil or what?

    1) What security protocol are you using? WEP WPA?

    2) You should be able to see in the router page

    3) If you have shared certain folders, her mac might be able to see it.
     
  12. Johnny T

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    1. As I mentioned above, you can also filter her mac address and/or IP. Also you can hide your SSID (router name).

    2. You can go into the router settings and check if anyone else is connected except for you.

    Flip you're bad! :laugh:
     
  13. Wirelessman

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    1) Will simply changing my password be enough? This is a Linksys system and I'm obviously not a too savvy with this stuff.

    That would suffice.


    2) Is there any way in the future to check if somebody (or even just specifically her) is using my WIFI?


    Setup WPA, is almost impossible to crack it.


    3) What sort of violations of privacy might have transpired in the last eight months...Could she have easily looked through other files on our computers (one pc, one mac)? Or at our internet logs? I ask this in particular as her boyfriend is fairly passive-aggressive, kind of sneaky and not very friendly towards us at all, and I know he's on her computer all the time.


    If you didn't set your folders to share, then nothing to be worry about, if you did, yes he could have already looked at your stuff. Now if you don't work for CIA, FBI or Scotland yard, then why to worry?
     
  14. Shyster1

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    Your neighbor could be mooching off your network, or it could just be that she forgot to delete the network configuration from her network connections profile, and since it's still in there, the wireless card, in its search for the best signal it can find, may simply be glomming onto your signal whenever your signal is the strongest - she may not even know it's happening if she doesn't pay attention to which network she connects to (like a lot of people).

    The simplest way to prevent the connection, whether nefarious or innocent, is to simply change the encryption passkey on your router, and enable MAC filtering - either way, her computer won't be able to access your network any more.

    One way to check to see if she might be doing this on purpose or just accidentally is to check your router's logs to see how often she's connected and run transactions across the router.

    However, more worrisome is the fact that she's got a shared folder that's just showing up as being publicly available on whatever network she's connecting to. Unless that folder has been segregated from the rest of her file system, that could be a way for someone intent on stealing her private information to hack into her system.

    One way to both broach the subject of her continued use of your network, accidentally or on purpose, and also to ingratiate yourself with her - should you be so inclined, of course - would be to just go talk to her to tell her that her computer showed up on your network the other night, and you noticed that her iTunes folder was accessible from your network, and that you wanted to make sure she knew that the folder was accessible to anyone connected to the same network as she and that she should double-check her security measures to make sure that the accessibility of her iTunes folder isn't creating a backdoor someone could use to hack her computer.
     
  15. Nocturnal310

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    If you know your Internet speed then go to www.speedtest.net and checkout the speed u are getting during peak hours.

    if its lesser than it should be than she is leeching off ur bandwidth.



    Setting up WPA2 is best..


    WEP is weak ..any one can crack it by simply googling around.

    but to improve WEP security...add a Password & MAC filtering.
     
  16. Hep!

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    No. You will almost never get your theoretical bandwidth, regardless if someone is stealing your WIFI. Plus, normal web browsing will hardly impact a speedtest at all.

    Yes.

    No. You would need to use a packet sniffer to extract the WEP key from the headers of the packets.

    Yes.



    Again, Shyster takes the award (in my book anyway) for most knowledgeable about networks.
     
  17. Wirelessman

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    I agree with you, a good "wireless" talk is the best.
     
  18. Shyster1

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    Particularly if she's cute! :D
     
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    Hey that day someone told me CMD can be used to 'net send' msges on the network..

    it doesnt work on Vista.
     
  20. Forced

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    She might not even be directly accessing your internet connection. My laptop and my parent's computer does this stupid thing sometimes where it finds Windows Media Player on the local network and has it listed as available to share media files and playlists. It even did that once in a hotel with some other random person.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's just a local network thing that isn't necessarily using internet broadband?
     
  21. Wirelessman

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    Only through an Ad-hoc or AP configuration you can possibly see other network nodes and their data if shared.
     
  22. KrieGLoCK

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    I would put a bunch of lemon party pictures, shocks **** and other discuting stuff. And fill her HD with useless programs or copy over and over some **** movies.

    haha

    Then turn your wireless off and go to her room and ask if you can use her connection because yours is not working.


    Then use network monitor and set a strong password and do not give it to anyone.


    I use network monitor because i have alot of computers and servers running and when my dad goes on some nasty sites i can catch him and send him a net msg saying that **** is gross.
     
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    Inb4 regulars talking about how easy it is to crack/hack/... packets.

    Stop that bsing, im sick of hearing it. It's not easy in fact it's hard.

    Even if it's WEP. Only FBI and some sec agencies can do so in less than seconds because they actually got the Stuff to do it with.

    They can probably see your computers screen, monitor your chats on aim and access all your root directories. It's the godam FBI and NSA.
     
  24. Wirelessman

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    You are sick man catching your dad on those sites he used to tell you not to go a few years ago :D

    Now after looking at that burger I'm hungry :(
     
  25. Hep!

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    What?


    Dude, NO ONE, not even the FBI and NSA can crack WEP keys in seconds. But ANYONE can crack a WEP in a matter of about an hour. In that past, this is what I have used (yes, ME PERSONALLY) to crack WEP keys. http://airsnort.shmoo.com/

    Sure, WEP will hinder most wardrivers, but a neighbor? I don't think so, I think they have the hour to spend leeching packets, while a wardriver probably doesn't want to waste the time. Granted, most neighbors won't know how and WEP would be enough for them as well... why bother? It's the same process to setup WPA as it is to setup WEP. And WPA's dynamic encryption is so much better.
     
  26. Shyster1

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    If a Win machine is connected to a subnetwork, and has so-called simple sharing enabled, and a folder or item has been "shared" on that machine, then anyone else on that same local subnetwork can both see that resource and can access it - basically because simple sharing is more or less just MS' disguised way of pretending that a network with simple sharing is anything more than just a peer-to-peer network.

    That is what makes the home versions of Win so frustrating to deal with on a network, and why I'm shifting over to XP-Pro (got a couple of legitimate copies cheap :D ).
     
  27. Wirelessman

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    That's why you have the feature "home" and "public", this way you trust nobody when your are away from home, you trust everyone while at home.
     
  28. Shyster1

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    That's nice if everyone at home likes to take showers together as one big happy family :eek:, or if no-one's got a system for which they want to restrict certain people, so some have no access, some have read access, but still keep some with full privileges, which is particularly problemmatic if there's a box on the network that's serving, and that has a port open to the WWW.
     
  29. Wirelessman

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    Ummm, group showers, again, is fine if she is cute :D
     
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    ¡Estamos de acuerdo!
     
  31. flipfire

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    If your gonna talk about FBI or NSA, please wear your tin-foil hats.
     
  32. Shyster1

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    Aye, aye, Admiral! :D :D

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  33. Greg

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    Hmmm...I'm almost devious enough to do the following:

    1) Select all in her folder.
    2) Hit 'delete'.
    3) Change WiFi network password.

    I know two wrongs don't make a right...but still.
     
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    If two wrongs dont make a right.......try three
     
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    Her PC saves the password in order to auto connect. So, though she may not know the password herself, the PC retained it. Just change it, or set up an access list. OR if she's a hottie, let her go. jk
     
  36. Hep!

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    Find out if she's got her own internet subscription! Maybe she's been playing you this whole time and decided to never get a service. If that's the case, then definitely mess with her.
     
  37. Wirelessman

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    Why not just to charge her the whole internet subscription?
     
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    Or you could just block her and leave it at that. If she is sharing her files and making them open to where you could delete or change then she might not know.
     
  39. flipfire

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    Because that would be mean and unfair.



    :D