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    Best Internal Laptop Wireless Card w/ support for Injection (if possible)?

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by Hauptplatine, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. Hauptplatine

    Hauptplatine Notebook Consultant

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    Hey guys. Really quick 'Q'

    I currently have a Lenovo Y510p. It came with an Atheros AR9485WB-EG Wireless card.

    It's perhaps the worst Wireless card I've ever used/seen in my life. It runs at a lower dB than practically any other card, and thus has about 20% less range than even much older 'g' only cards.
    But anyway, this isn't a thread to smash the AR9485WB-EG.

    Please tell me the best Wireless card that I could put in my laptop for speed/range and that (if possible) supports injection through Kali Linux. Your person opinion is welcome. Actual tests/reviews are even far more welcome.

    Someone must know of a card, I can't be the ONLY person who wants a good internal Wireless card that supports injection.
    Injection support isn't a total MUST but it would be REALLY appreciated.

    Please do not suggest 'external' wireless cards like the Alfa series. I only have 3 USB ports and I do not want to use them/or a have to use a hub for anything.

    Let's just keep it short and sweet. Links are very much accepted (and appreciated) to whatever cards you suggest, as well as reviews and etc.

    So what do you think is the Roles Royce of internal wireless cards that sports great range, speed, and the latest wireless standards?

    Thanks ever so much in advance!
     
  2. Hauptplatine

    Hauptplatine Notebook Consultant

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    Well remotely no thanks to anyone on this forum at all....

    I bought the Intel 7260HMW,

    It supports Bluetooth 4.0 and the new Wireless Standard (ac).
    It however does not seem to support 'Injection'. There have been whispers that some have been able to get it to work, but almost all chatter is that it doesn't work at all with Kali when it comes to injection.
    Though with the way wireless security is developing, I guess it won't really be an issue so I went ahead and bought the adapter anyway.

    Picked it up for €23. However it's not FC certified, but seeing as I don't live in the states and I don't care, I got it anyway. Though it does mean that it isn't on the Lenovo device Whitelist, so I am going to flash my BIOS with a modded kind to get it to work. From what I have read on forums, it'll be a piece of cake. I can't wait to get this terrible chip out of my laptop. I'll keep it for a spare.
     
  3. downloads

    downloads No, Dee Dee, no! Super Moderator

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    In defense of everyone on this forum (myself included) your requirements were very high. I read your post twice and couldn't come up with anything that I could recommend hand on heart.

    I do have 7260 too - not that it is a good card in my opinion, but options are rather limited as far as 802.11ac is concerned. I hope it works well for you but I wouldn't want to be the one to recommend it to you :eek:
     
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  4. JasonR24

    JasonR24 Notebook Guru

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    Agree with the OP. No one really seems to know as much as I'd expect from this forum. Seems all the experts are long gone going by some of the older threads I've read.... Shame too.
     
  5. Megol

    Megol Notebook Evangelist

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    As there aren't really any alternatives given the OP requirements how the f***k should anyone reply?! Do you people expect someone to create a new WLAN card just because you want it?

    Okay, in the spirit of the OP: take a 3 way Apple AC capable card - make a converter from mini-PCIe to a NG slot, find some space in the notebook to place it, add a third antenna and voila - a good card. But it will probably not support injections of any kind so ...
    Ignore that outlandish idea too.
     
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    Towlieee Notebook Geek

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    To be fair, not that many people need a card that supports packet injection and monitor mode, as well as being high powered and high gain.

    To the OP, no matter how high powered adapter you get internally, it's going to be as good as your antenna configuration and obstructions. I have a few different usb wifi adapters laying around and they blow internal setups out of the water. I actually prefer to use my nettis 'high gain' adapter over my alfa high powered adapter. It doesn't do much good to send packets if you aren't receiving the majority of packets.

    Don't get me wrong, I've used plenty of internal adapters with both kali and backtrack, but just much more efficient/faster to use a usb adapter on a 6+ foot usb with high gain antenna's, and of course a quality radio goes a loooong way.

    My "ghetto on the go pen test setup". I haven't done this in a long while though lol, usually just bring along a single adapter and a 6+ ft usb in my laptop bag
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  7. Hauptplatine

    Hauptplatine Notebook Consultant

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    *Sigh* well at least some people responded in the end. In all due respect, some parts of this forum get a lot of replies, whilst others (like this sub-forum) don't get so much. My requirements may have been quite high, but I would have still expected some people to recommend a card, even if it didn't completely fit my specifications/desires.

    As for my desires. Well, I would have expected practically anyone would be wanting a high gain, 'ac' compatible, injection capable internal card. That's a jack-of-all-trades card. Wouldn't anyone want that? Perhaps injection support isn't viable to 99% of people. However if you're in the market for a new card, it may be considering that you want injection, as most internal wireless cards these days do what you want them to (minus that). Also with whitelisting in many laptops it seems that if you were going to bother to go to the trouble to buy a new card and fart about with whitelists and BIOS modding, that you'd want a card worthy of your money and time. (Hence what I was looking for).

    I get that I had high hopes but it still would have been nice to get a reply. :)
    Though now that I read these replies perhaps it's definitely more viable from an educated person's point of view to simply not recommend anything (in this case).
    (Though in that case, a reply of "I am not sure there is anything that exists that suits your needs, you have to sacrifice something in this case") would have sufficed :) and I would have narrowed down my options.

    As for the 'ac' card. I haven't got it yet. Postage from China is insanely slow :/

    At this point I read around quite a bit and it seems that the 7260 seems to have better drivers now (Intel may have finally fixed the majority of its issues). So I could hopefully experience some good performance. Mind you, I know that it's probably the weird build of my Lenovo Y510P and I'm betting that the antennas in this laptop have something to do with the bad reception. However a new 'ac' router (from your suggested thread 'downloads') and this 7260 (with hopefully minimal issues) will allow me to set up a blisteringly fast NAS which I feel I could find a lot of benefit from just in itself.

    In the end, I hardly see this card being worse than the one I am already using, which is by far the worst card I have ever used (many other Lenovo Y510P users will agree with me) and for the mentioned price. It's not really burning a hole in my wallet.

    Hopefully I am one of the many lucky ones who won't have any problem with my 7260HMW.

    Lastly, my apologies to anyone who was unfortunately even slightly perturbed/offended by my second post and thanks a lot to anyone who did reply in the end :)
    Discussion is never a bad thing.
     
  8. JasonR24

    JasonR24 Notebook Guru

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    Well I've noticed the only ones that get a lot of replies are people who just buy laptop after laptop and are like oooo look at the Shiny new one coming out. The egpu section is ignored. Any section where any type of assembly skill or electronic skill is empty of new posts...

    I'm glad this thread got a reply but still doesn't excuse the fact that there is a gaping knowledge gap now or simply that those with some actual knowledge can't be bothered..
     
  9. HTWingNut

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    Wireless adapters are not an important consideration for most when it comes to laptop upgrades unfortunately. But no need to be so negative towards the users here. It's free help, and you're free to go elsewhere for assistance. The specifics you were looking for appeal to an audience of possibly 100 people (laptop, Linux, packet injection, high power/high gain). And packet injection is frequently associated with nefarious purposes, so users tend to steer clear of that. You'd be better off seeking help from Linux specific forums or even the Linux forum here.

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