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    Belkin Router - Home Web Server

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by DetlevCM, Apr 19, 2009.

  1. DetlevCM

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    Ok, has a little chat with Belkin - let's see if out router works now.

    But I have a little problem.

    I cannot manage to forward port 80 so my old laptop can act as a webserver...?
    (And it stopped working on the other router too??)

    The router also seems to reassign internal IP addresses...

    What do I need to do?
    Has anyone got any helpful "paperwork"?

    Thanks in advance :)
     
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    its fine that it re assigns an internal IP. it should be actually. can you port forward port 80 to the internal port of your webserver?
     
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    That' what I actually did... I chose the option "web server" (it had it preconigured) on port 80...

    Its a Belkin F5D7633-4 by the way. Firmware 1.00.25
     
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    and where is that pointing to? an IP? or a hostname? you are half way there.
     
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    It worked on a different router before:

    So what have I got:

    I have my server (old laptop) with my website and its set up and running.

    I have my router, I have my port 80 set up for port forwarding.
    My IP is registerd with dyndns - oddly enough if doesn't auto-update - it did on the old one...
    But if I put the domain name into for example IE I get the router't config page...
     
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    Check to see if the Belkin comes with a built-in auto updater for Dyndns or not - if it doesn't, you'll have to download the client app from Dyndns that does the updating.
     
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    In theory it should update the IP registered with Dyndns - it has got the facility.
     
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    Is it possible that it just might be another bum Belkin router?
     
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    No idea - its the same one that turned temperamental around February - on a pre release firmware...
    (only update I could find....)
     
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    Was it updating before you did the firmware update?
     
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    Never tried. I was using some junk Tiscali sent us as part of the Broadband contract.

    ________
    PS: I'm thankful for your help Shyster - but i think at the moment I'm more curious about wy it doesn't forward the port...

    Also: ifI input the Domain I ge the config page, if someone else does they don't... with or without remote management.
     
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    On that topic, can you put up a screenshot of the configuration page for the port forwarding so we can get a better sense of what you're setting it to and then what it's doing with what you give it?
     
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    No problem.
    This is the menu for port forwarding:
    [​IMG]

    I'm only bothered about the Web Server and Remote access at the moment - that's what I had working on the cheap router.
    While I'd like FTP I seemingly have a server side configuration to solve first.

    The Web Server Entry I selected from the list - so it should be right.
    Internal IP address is correct.

    Edit:

    What's it doing:
    Its allowing me to internally (i.e. from my computer, connected to that router) access the setup ge via a domain name - but it doesn't work for peple on the "Outside".
     
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    OK... my Belkin started its "games" again... :( I switched back to the "cheap piece".

    Out of curiosity:
    This may sound daft to you, but can I run 2 routers on 1 internet connection?
     
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    Yup, you can have two (or more) routers on one internet connection if that makes your private subnetwork work better; of course, you then have to co-ordinate those routers so they work correctly!

    On the port-forwarding issue, was it impossible to get a connection from the Outside using either the domain name or the public IP address assigned to you by your ISP (that is, by typing "http://www.xxx.yyy.zzz:80/" - without quote marks - in the browser's address line), or just when an Outside connection tried to use the domain name you chose?
     
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    Thanks for the reply - I may look into 2 routers.

    It was impossible via the domain from the outside.
    And it was impossible to get to the ruter via the IP address - but without the :80 at the end. Interestingly people on the ouside wouldn't even get the configuraion page.
     
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    In other words, if we assume that your public IP was 123.123.123.123, and you had associated the domain name this.isme.com with that IP through DynDNS, then I would not be able to reach your webserver either by typing "this.isme.com" in the address bar or typing "123.123.123.123:80" in the address bar, correct?

    But, from within your network, from a machine connected to your network, I could get to your webserver by typing either the domain name or the public IP listed above?
     
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    Nearly - its a tad worse.

    From the outside you could neither access the webserver nor thr router with the above methods.
    From inside the network you could only access the router's page.
     
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    Curious. So, if the webserver's internal IP was 192.168.1.99, and I was on a computer connected to your internal network, I would not be able to get to the webserver by typing 192.168.1.99:80 into the address bar, correct?

    That sounds like the webserver itself wasn't set up properly, since from within your network you should have no problem accessing the webserver at all. What webserver software are you using, Apache, or something else?
     
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    I'll have to recheck that

    I'm using Microsoft Webserver 2008 - MSDN library - I have legal access to that. -> IIS 7.0

    The strangest thing is that it would work on the old router which leads me to think port forwarding is to blame - and the Belkin started acting up in other ways again too... I'll possibly have to replace it...
     
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    I think the best solution is replacing that Belkin with something new.
     
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    Or replacing the Belkin under warranty first - we ma as well, it had cost 85Pounds originally andcomes with a lifetime warranty :D

    Thank you for your help any way :)
    (Its early morning here...getting ready for university)
     
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    If it's under warranty then that's definitely the way to go; while I have my doubts about Belkins, I would think that a brand-new replacement Belkin would not have the same, shall we say "quirks" as the current old one does, so switching it under warranty should allow you to figure out to what exent the problems are due to the old router, and what's due to a possible misconfiguration of the server software (speaking of which, I'm quite sure you've got legal access to IIS - never thought otherwise for a second :D).
     
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    That will be the way to go - I only have to hope to get through to their service department... :D

    Thanks again :)
     
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    That, I think, will be the true sisyphean task in your endeavors. :D
     
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    It may be... tech support seems to have hung up on me... live chat didn't solve the problem and the warranty department only offers to call back because they are busy...
     
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    Oh boy! I hope I didn't jinx you with them! :p
     
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    You didn't that was the last time I called...
    Before I made this thread.

    When I called them 2 years ago (didn't know how to get the config page) I had very nice and efficient customer support - free of charge too. Now they moved on to call centres in Asia on a Premium number...