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    802.11n speeds not working - Belkin N1 Modem Router and Intel 4965AGN Wireless

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by Synthesia, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. Synthesia

    Synthesia Notebook Evangelist

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    Can't seem to get the n-speeds (54mbps+) when connecting to the Belkin N1 Modem Router. Using Vista and the Intel 4965AGN Wireless adapter on a Dell m1330.

    Anybody know how to fix this issue?
     
  2. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    802.11n is still a draft standard so inter-operability between equipment of different manufacturers is not guaranteed because each manufacturer has their own preference over some minor details.

    However, you could check for the latest driver from Intel + latest firmware for the router in case there is convergence in the implementation of the draft standard.

    John
     
  3. blue68f100

    blue68f100 Notebook Virtuoso

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    To get n speeds you must use WPA(2) Personal AES. I do not thinks the spec supports WEP in 11n mode. Also you must remember if there is any other networks in range it should drop out of channel bonding to play well with other. In advanced properties on your NB card, there should be a setting for 11n only, I think. Your router should be set to mixed mode 11g/n. I do not think there is a 11n only for it.
     
  4. Alienwarez

    Alienwarez Notebook Evangelist

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    This statement means you HAVE to use WPA2 to use N. Not correct. The only security that can be used on N is WPA2.
     
  5. blue68f100

    blue68f100 Notebook Virtuoso

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    A few sites have tested using security and not. Surprisingly, Security (WPA2 Personal, AES) was faster. But since this is all draft, this could change on any release of firmware, and may have allready have. Since most sites do not test every release of firmware, no way to know for sure.
     
  6. msnealo

    msnealo Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you this just helped me get my G1SN connected to my Vision N1 in wireless N.

    Thank you again!
     
  7. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    No WPA/AES is needed to make it work.

    Also, if your router says is N, then any nic supporting N should prompt the appropriate speed. I just did the experience, I connected a Netgear 3500 N, and I have a 4965 nic in my laptop, I got up to 144Mbps. The most incredible thing is that although I had the driver for the Netgear router, I didn't even have to install it, it worked right away. And to add complexity to the operation, I was connecting this new router in a daisy cahin with my main Aciontec router.
     
  8. nekrosoft13

    nekrosoft13 Notebook Consultant

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    1) routers don't have drivers, they might have some limited option setup utility.

    2) just pairing any N router to any N NIC is not a good idea either. to get best performance you have to keep same chip manufactures. Atheros+Atheros works faster then Atheros+broadcom or some other combo.
    Thats why Intel WNIC are not good idea since there is no pair for them.
     
  9. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    1. Where did you learn that routers have no drivers?

    2. I agree is better to keep the router-nic in the same brand, but this is why we have an standard so we can connect different brands together.
     
  10. nekrosoft13

    nekrosoft13 Notebook Consultant

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    IT job

    routers are just connected to the network by RJ-45 cable, there is no driver. Router is then configured by going to specific address in a web browser (192.168.0.1, sometimes 192.168.1.1 NOTE: these addresses can be changed, so could be pretty much anything).

    Apple is the only company that i know if that decided to disable web based configuration, instead they force customers to install this very limited application to configure the router. But even in this case no driver is involved.
     
  11. Wirelessman

    Wirelessman Monkeymod

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    Could we perhaps call this "web based configuration" driver? Or Websters dictionay doesn't allow it?

    Since you work in IT, we need you here, you could prepare a sticker on how setting up a wireless network in a home and in the enterprise. ;)
     
  12. Carby

    Carby Notebook Enthusiast

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    It's not really a driver, more so a tool. The only way Windows or any OS interacts with a router is over TCP/IP or other network protocols, which are already installed
     
  13. pne123

    pne123 Notebook Geek

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    Routers have firmware.....check for updates
     
  14. blue68f100

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    Technically routers do have drives, but its part of the firmware. The users only has access to the configuration part, not control of the drivers uses. dd-wrt as an example, runs on linux. The reason it is capable of working on a broad base of hardware, is the drivers can be changed. You can turn any pc into a router with 2 nic cards and a wireless if you want.
     
  15. GRB

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    Exactly, you can upgrade a router's "drivers" with a firmware upgrade. Same deal. Barring any hardware changes, draft-N devices could in theory be upgraded to full N devices (though I've heard in fact that most draft-N devices will be compatible with full N without any changes)
     
  16. StormEffect

    StormEffect Lazer. *pew pew*

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    Using WEP or WPA1 on a wireless N network will kill network throughput, often lowering performance by over 50%.

    WPA2 also lowers throughput, but only by about 18%.

    Also, using a mixed network (both G and N) will result in all throughputs being cut by 50% or more for both N and G adapters.
     
  17. govR

    govR Newbie

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    soooo back to the topic wat happend to the n speeds with the belkin n1 vision and intel 4965agn?? do i have to go out and buy a n1 usb dongle to have sticking out my laptop to get ~300mbps?
     
  18. blue68f100

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    I would dump Belkin. They are known to be flakey, along with high failure rate.
     
  19. finallyjeez

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    It worked for me too! Thanks to blue68f100 for the fix and thanks to msnealo for posting that it worked.