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    [3945abg] Packet Loss Driving Me Crazy

    Discussion in 'Networking and Wireless' started by Undertaxxx, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    Hi

    I've just played css for half an hour. Normally im good as i'm mid+ skill but i got owned, due what: LAG

    This LAG is due to packet loss as i can see on my graph ingame. as soon as i start to lag for about 2-4 seconds, the lost packets goes to about 8-10

    I know this is due to my wifi card (Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG) because when i play offline css i dont get this 'lag'
    also i know it's not my router, because i've tried it on different places and i got the exact same lag.

    I'm SICK of it and want it to be fixed because it got me to the point of me trowing my notebook trought the window.

    As you can see i'm frustrated and need an answer soon, or i'll just smash it appart.
     
  2. kegobeer

    kegobeer 1 hr late but moving fast

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    Have you tried connecting via ethernet?
     
  3. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    not yet, but i'm sure that will solve my problem.

    I just want to know why i cant have wireless without any packet loss..

    I have wireless for a reason you know
     
  4. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Are your wireless drivers up to date? There are a lot of google hits that come up about that adapter having packet loss problems, so it may simply be the nature of the beast, and the only way to fix it to replace the wireless card (or find a substitute, like a wireless adapter).
     
  5. kegobeer

    kegobeer 1 hr late but moving fast

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    Check your latency with the ethernet connection.
     
  6. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    updates my drivers to the most recent. (from the intel-site)

    The problem still exists.

    Replace the card? what would that cost :(
     
  7. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    sure, sure, blame latency because you stink at css.....

    seriously, wireless connectivity will always have greater latency than a wired. It's just the nature of the beast. A new card might help, but it might not.

    How close are you to the router? What is your signal strength? What is your signal to noise ratio (probably you cannot tell this)? What channel are you using?

    The problem with looking at your signal strength only is that it measures the strength of signals but does not account for noise.

    Are you sure it is your wireless and not your network. There is a heck of a lot more latency -- typically -- in the connection from your network to the game server, than in your computer to the router. The first thing you should be doing is ruling out that latency by connecting with a cat5/6 cable and seeing if the problem persists
     
  8. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    I'm sorry but i've been playing css for over 2 years, i'm in a sponsored clan, I'm not as bad as you think. Though if you think I'm bad at it and just saying "woops i lagged all latency's fault" think again.
    Yes i'm blaming latency for this one cause it seriously ****s things up.

    I will inform you soon about things you listed and will do more test to rule out other things..
     
  9. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

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    Going wired has sovled my problems. I actually use a powerline adapter by netgear since my router is downstairs. While I could buy a stronger antenae, that would mean a seperate network card for my laptop. I ended up setting up a powerline adapter from the router to the upstairs bedroom. I get speeds up to about 180 Mbps.
     
  10. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    I tried wire, solved all of my packet loss, though I have wireless for a reason..
     
  11. Clutch

    Clutch cute and cuddly boys

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    Is it better when you are closer?

    Have you tried other routers?
     
  12. kegobeer

    kegobeer 1 hr late but moving fast

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    Have you tried changing channels? Checking for interference?
     
  13. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    there is always overhead associated with wireless, but how much that results in higher latency is difficutl to say.

    As keg notes, the latency can be due to congestion, so changeing the channel may help. As clutch noted, distance will hurt as the signal will be weaker resulting in lost packets needing to be retransmitted.

    Since you have a solution that works, I would just stick with that rather than worrying about trying to solve the problem
     
  14. Undertaxxx

    Undertaxxx Notebook Consultant

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    propqbly the difference between me and you, i don't like to just give up and go easy mode. i want to fix this.

    I tried changing channels, checked everything, it's all fine and working (normally) -> (cant really expres myself here)

    O well i'll just live with it?
     
  15. gerryf19

    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    You're not getting it.

    It is probably not a "problem" that can be fixed, but an inherent limitation of the connection media (in this case, radio waves).

    You can move closer, change channels, reduce interference. New drivers may help as well.

    But at the end of the day, a wireless connection simply has more latency than a wired connection. If your application is so latency dependent, you need to choose a different method of communication
     
  16. kegobeer

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    You can try another router, another wifi card, try different combinations, etc.
     
  17. Undertaxxx

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    I know wireless comes with downsides, but i'm sure it can do better than this..
     
  18. newsposter

    newsposter Notebook Virtuoso

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    pray tell, what is the 'reason' and did you do proper research on the limitations of all things 802.11 BEFORE you committed youself and your CS reputation to wireless.

    sheesh