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    low 3dmark 06 stock gt735

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by l1lk1ll, Jul 3, 2009.

  1. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    fresh reboot, ran 3dmark, stock system i've installed some games and removed norton got 2111 in 3dmark06

    what are some drivers/tweaks I can do to increase this score?

    I know this box is able to get much higher than that.

    (i was also not using turbo or gaming mode im waiting till after and then im gonna run all three to compare, also plan on OCing the video card and comparing that to gaming mode..anyone know exactly what all the modes do?)
     
  2. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    yea, something is wrong...

    Your not in power-saver mode, are you?

    Drivers?

    So many things to look at...
     
  3. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    completely stock drivers. no modes were on.
     
  4. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    I just checked it was on balanced power settings...could that have done it?
     
  5. Alexrose1uk

    Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game

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    Try reinstalling your graphics drivers, something sounds seriously wrong there, you could set your machine to high performance for now, but that wouldn't cause an 50% loss of 3d performance. I'd either suspect the graphics card is faulty, or staying massively underclocked for some reason. I'd expect a mobility 3850 to hit about 4-5k in 3dmark 06 easily, especially as 06 is processor orientated with a modern gpu.

    Have you got the latest bios for the laptop just in case?
     
  6. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    I don't have anything :X

    3DMark Score
    2111 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    842 N/A 13953
    SM 3.0 Score
    1286 N/A 20031
    CPU Score
    389
     
  7. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    how do I get latest video drivers and such I remember reading that the notebooks dont support them and you have to do some odd thing to get the latest ones to work...i dont remember
     
  8. nacr05

    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    Did you try it again after you changed it from balanced??
     
  9. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    no not yet, what scores should this get? and how do i get the latest video drivers anyway can someone link me to that? i cant find it
     
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    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    It should score around 6500 to 7000 with the turbo enabled..
     
  11. catacylsm

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    This is rather odd, turbo and high performance plan should sort that out though, oh and you have to be plugged in.
     
  12. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    thanks guys, i'm in bed right now on my other lappy but tomorrow ill try with turbo+high performance..

    so I guess no way to use the desktop drivers? i could have sworn there was some app that modded it for you or something
     
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    Good luck, im sure it will work out just well.
     
  14. Alexrose1uk

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    RE: Desktop to mobile Cats

    Probably thinking of the Catalyst Mobility Modder... decent programme, not sure when it was last updated though, so it might not accept the mobility 4850 yet. I used to use it when I had the Xi1546, as FS were appalling when it came to drivers, and I couldn't be bothered to hand mod the drivers when I didn't need to :)
     
  15. neilnat

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    When people get 3dmark scores this low it is 95% of the time either

    1. CCC or Windows not in High Performance mode
    2. Not plugged in.
     
  16. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    ok im not sure what it was, maybe the balanced settings but...

    Your system
    3DMark Score
    6142 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    2670
    SM 3.0 Score
    2824
    CPU Score
    1537

    only things i changed were performance power setting and also I installed all the windows updates (through the updater)

    much better :) now going to run in turbo mode, then gaming mode, then i'm going to use mobility modder (which i checked and it does support this card) and install the latest ati drivers and repeat the process. :D

    THEN after all that I may flash the VGA to bring its clock to normal (I heard it runs lower than stock)
     
  17. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    6196 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    2677
    SM 3.0 Score
    2816
    CPU Score
    1596

    gaming mode did NOTHING I guess it just changes to the "gaming" power plan. I thought it might OC the video card (which would explain why they dont want you using it with turbo enabled)

    ok, turbo time.
     
  18. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    6473 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    2706
    SM 3.0 Score
    2856
    CPU Score
    1862

    though only 3328 MB of the ram is available on this 32bit vista... anyone know how significant a difference it makes on 64bit? all my games run really great so far, no problems. I played fallout3 on 360 the graphics were nothing special, but on this PC OMFG looks <33333333
     
  19. l1lk1ll

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    with 9.6 drivers on turbo

    6485 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    2716
    SM 3.0 Score
    2867
    CPU Score
    1852

    looks like msi's drivers were pretty good...not much of an improvement.
     
  20. Alexrose1uk

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    Personally I find 64bit to be a little more stable; and the extra memory allowance does help in some situations. If you find you're getting close to your memory limit, go for the 64 bit upgrade, if you're happy, depends on if you want the hassle!

    As I understand it the different modes including gaming are designed to effect battery usage et al, and are to do with relative powersaving, which is why Turbo doesn't work at the same time :)
     
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    Yeah! Like mines with Vista Ultimate 64bit and OC'd the Video Card! + turbo'ed you should get 7000 points! The 64bit will give you that extra ram and it's 800mhz in turbo, this should help a little! But so far I still think the CPU and memory that came with the system sucks!!!
     

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    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    3DMark Score
    6464 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    2709
    SM 3.0 Score
    2850
    CPU Score
    1854

    with vista 64 turbo stock upgrades
     
  23. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    btw what did you use to overclock the videocard?
     
  24. l1lk1ll

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    i followed the overclocking step by step quoted by another member of the forum in the other gt735 thread, overclocked to 630/666

    my new scores are unbelievable.

    7320 3DMarks
    SM 2.0 Score
    3170
    SM 3.0 Score
    3426
    CPU Score
    1789

    nearly 1000 points for overclocking videocard, only 200 points for overclocking processor.

    I think this is proof those who say the AMD proc is the bottleneck of this system are ignorant.
     
  25. catacylsm

    catacylsm Notebook Prophet

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    Secondded that statement above ^^

    the AMD Proc and ATI combo have left you with some great results, 1000 marks, sheeesh, you made it sound easy :D

    Whats the CPU clock at?
     
  26. l1lk1ll

    l1lk1ll Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm just using the turbo button for the cpu, let me check..

    ok noticed something strange when loaded cpu-z

    with turbo on it keeps alternating between 1327-2634mhz the multiplier is jumping from 5.5 to 11

    huh???

    i thought maybe it was throttling to save power....so i ran superpi...it still did it

    anyone know whats going on?
     
  27. Alexrose1uk

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    Probably the EIST/C1E equivalent <I forget AMDs current name for it> kicking in. Basically a lot of machines drop the clocks when they're not running high utilisation to reduce power usage. On desktops you can usually disable it with a combination of BIOS changes and turning the laptops power setting to high performance, rather than Balanced.
     
  28. l1lk1ll

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    in other words i monitored it while running a cpu benchmark, and it was still doing it.

    the only thing i can think of is that maybe its showing both cores alternating, and the second one is clocked slow?
     
  29. Alexrose1uk

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    Try SuperPi mod XS version (allows multicore) could also try using IntelBurnTest on standard (that supports AMD too), run it on both cores and see if the same thing happens.
    Standard SuperPi as I remember only runs the test on one CPU.
     
  30. l1lk1ll

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    turns out i was using that one. and actually while running it it is keeping it at 1317.3 mhz
    something is wrong?
    once i turn it off it starts to alternate again...maybe throttling for temperature?
     
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    Get hwmonitor and run (does superpi use cpu fully?) wprime1024 or something that will use 100% usage.
     
  32. l1lk1ll

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    ok so its not heat, even when idle at 150F its doing it and while running superpi 160F

    someone help me understand this :(
     
  33. Alexrose1uk

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    If you can open up the advanced sections of your laptops BIOS (Alt+F11 or something; I've seen it mentioned somewhere), take some photos of all the menus with a digicam, and Im sure a few of us can take a look and see if we can see anything that might help you from a low level.

    At least with a desktop this sort of stuff can usually be stopped straight from BIOS, so might be on this model too, considering if it's anything like the GT725 it may have overclocking options!

    These sort of things are usually for power saving reasons, also, is your laptop plugged in, and what power profile is vista currently set at?
     
  34. l1lk1ll

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    plugged in, high performance.

    google is showing me that there have been lots of people with amd processors complaining of the same thing
     
  35. Dspr_02

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    Dunno if this has been answered in the previous pages (too much text and not enough pretty, colorful pictuers :rolleyes: ) but the program you are looking for is called:

    DriverHeaven Mobility Modder , and it can be found HERE!!!

    Actual Link

    For the CPU throttling try going into Vista's power management for High Performance and setting the CPU Power to 100% minimum usage on battery this usually overrides the throttling (at least it did on my nc8230 and Studio 15).
     
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  36. l1lk1ll

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    thanks for the advice, someone did answer already or else I found it some other way I don't remember ( got me 1000 extra points on 3dmark!)

    and as for the power management, I had done that already and it doesnt help :(
     
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    Sorry to hear that.

    One quick Q though :
    Does the GT735 have the ability to switch between the Integrated Graphics Processor and the HD 3850?
     
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    The GT735 does not have a IGP. Only the 3850. Thanks..
     
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    That kinda sucks. I guess this thing would not be so great on a flight from Vancouver, BC to California :rolleyes: .