S271 / MS-1058 coming soon

I thought I'd start a thread to collect information on the S271/MS-1058. This is just a collection of information available elsewhere. I can't say I found any of it myself, so kudos to those who did. Pictures are from CeBIT 2006

For those that don't know the S271/MS-1058 is MSI's new 12.1" AMD Turion64 X2 notebook. It will be a refresh of the the MS-1013 line with S1 based MB and AMD Turion64 X2. The release date isn't know yet, but it should be 2nd Quarter 2006, and will likely be shortly after the AMD Turion64 X2 is released.

What we know so far

S271 = production release name
Orange/Black case

MS-1058 = barebones release name
All Black or all White case (similar case to MS-1013)

12.1" WXGA
ATI RS485M + SB450
DDR2 (at lease 667MHz, some are hinting at 800MHz support)
ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (UMA)
GbE
802.11g with Bluetooth
3x USB 2.0

303mm x 225mm x 28~29.9mm

4 cell battery targeted for 2hr life
8 cell extended battery targeted for 4hr life

Assumption is for same Dual layer DVD+-RW (Super Multi) available in MS-1057

Foreign links place price around 1300-1500 Euro ($1600-$1875 USD) with 100 gig HD, 1gig RAM, ML-50

Link to AMD roadmap
http://rapidshare.de/files/19207860/...0324-disty.pdf

Link to Translated Russian review
http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&direction=re&template=General&cp1=CP1251&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dnews.ru%2Fmobile%2Fmsi_s271%2Findex2.htm

Please add any other information you may find.

 

Great summary, thanks Jak.

The testing on the Russian site was interesting, but it looked like the L2 cache was a big disadvantage, they show the ML50 with 256mb L2 per core, while the Core Duo has, I think, 1mb per core. Not sure how accurate all the translations are, so...

I think you'll see the Super Multi drive from MSI on pretty much all the systems in 2006, except maybe the very low end office notebooks.

It's very encouraging to see a pre-release version out for testing, though, so we should see the S271 out quickly after the AMD release of the Turion x2.

I do wish they'd refresh the laptop chassis, though, and MSI knows that it's a bit outdated. They refreshed the 1012/s260 for the BT edition, they should at least do the same for the s271. Colored lids might be coming, they've taken lots of input on that too.

 

picture add:

 

Yeah, I'm hoping to find at least a ML-52 (2x 512k L2 cache) reviewed somewhere. No luck yet.

This is actually the first Turion64 X2 I've seen benchmarked. I must admit, I was hoping for better performance. I'll try to find MS-1013, MS-1012, & MS-1057 benchmarks for comparison. Could be interesting.

 

That’s like comparing Geo Metros lol

I really sure that the ms-1057 would kill the ms-1058 and of course it predecessors in 32bit apps.

but the ms-1013 and ms-1058 can run 64 bit apps when the others can not.

I would like to see the benchmarks as well

 

It seems like this may be coming sooner than later. Here's a link from laptop logic hinting that Turion X2 will be released May 17.

http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=874

 

Here's what I have so far for benchmarks. They aren't matching up directy, but its a start. If anyone can find some Intel benchmarks for both the MS-1012 and the MS-1057, please add them here.

MS-1058 // S271
AMD Turion64 X2 ML-50 (1.6 GHz 2x256k L2)
1 Gig 533MHz DDR2
40 Gig 5400 RPM HD (Fujitsu MHV 2040H)

3D Mark 05 = 655
3D Mark 03 = 1305
PC Mark 05 = 2463
PC Mark 04 = 4173
Batery Eater 05 = 3:08


MS-1013 // S270
AMD Turion64 MT-40 (2.2 GHz 1MB L2)
1 Gig 400MHz DDR
60 Gig 5400 RPM HD

3D Mark 05 = 556
Super Pi 2M = 1:38


MS-1013 // S270
AMD Turion64 MT-32 (1.8 GHz)
1 Gig 266MHz DDR
60 Gig 5400 RPM HD

3D Mark 05 = 447
3D Mark 03 = 893
PC Mark 04 = 2653


MS-1012 // S260
Intel P-M 740
512MB 400MHz DDR
60 Gig ??? RPM HD

3D Mark 05 = 174
3D Mark 03 = 807


Just by looking at the three 3D Mark 05 scores we see a 17.8% increase from the MS-1013 w/ MT-40 and a 46.5% increase over the older MS-1013 w/ MT-32. Of course there is still plenty of room for improvement on the MS-1058 side as the reviewer used the ML-50 chip and AMD will come out with chips up to ML-60 at realease time. The MS-1058 could also have used 667MHz or possibly 800 MHz DDR2 RAM. If we max everything out and throw in a 7200 RPM drive is it possible to hit 1000 3DMark05's? I'm not going to hold my breath, but I hope so.

 

WOW that little thing is FAST!!!

PC Mark 05 = 2463 that's smoking

thats like a Geo Metro with a V8!!!!

thanks for the benchmarks jak!

 

I'm sure i've published the 1012 and 1013 benchmarks in the past (pcmark, not 3dmark), somewhere on here or NBR.

I have a 1012 here, so i can do that tomorrow if we can't find them. The 1057s i haven't benchmarked, but they are much quicker than the 1012s, even just by the naked eye.

I just wish MSI would change that **** chassis design. i'm tired of it.

 

When I get a minute later tonight at home, I'll run and post the benchmarks for my 1057.

-Zeros

 

I can't find them anywhere (need to brush up on my boolean though)

Time to benchmark those 1057's. Inquiring minds want to know!


I did add anotherbenchmark i found for an older 1013 though. I'll keep looking.

 

I am with CoffeeShark hoping for MSI to do a refresh with a new chassis. At least X2 laptops are beginning to show up.

 

Here are some benchmarks on my MS-1057:

MS-1057
Intel T2400 Core Duo (1.83 GHz 2MB L2)
Intel GMA950 integrated graphics (128MB shared mem)
1 Gig 667MHz DDR2
20 Gig 5400 RPM HD (Fujitsu MHS 2020AT)

3D Mark 05 = 409
PC Mark 05 = 2571

 

thanks for the scores, vinayp

 

Hmm, interesting. We have almost a direct tie between the 1057 and the 1058.

MS-1058 // S271
AMD Turion64 X2 ML-50 (1.6 GHz 2x256k L2)
1 Gig 533MHz DDR2
40 Gig 5400 RPM HD (Fujitsu MHV 2040H)

3D Mark 05 = 655
PC Mark 05 = 2463

Now I really want to see a 1058 with a better processor. Of course I should point out that the 1058 does have a distinct advantage in GPU (ATI x200 vs. Intel 945). So don't try to read this as a direct AMD Turion64 X2 vs. Intel Core Duo comparison.

 

Yeah, the gpu will do better on the 1058, as already shown, almost 50% better, but it's not a gamer anyway.

The pcmarks are more comparable, with about a 100 point difference between the 1.6 TL-50 and the 1.8 intel core duo. The TL-50 does have a much smaller cache, which may be the factor in that comparison, but a comp with the TL-52 or 56 may be a better test.

(The X2 series turions are "TL", not "ML")

 

Here's a better S271 // MS-1058 review (english this time and with a TL-52 processor).
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=1904&pg=1

Just to note their benchmarks

S271 // MS-1058
AMD Turion64 X2 TL-52 (1.6 GHz 2x 512k L2)
512 MB 667MHz DDR2 (1/2 the RAM of previous benchmarks)

PC Mark 05 (CPU Score) = 3260
PC Mark 04 (CPU Score) = 4438
3D Mark 05 (CPU Score) = 3366

*note that these are CPU scores only so a direct comparison between the over all PC or 3D mark score is not possible.

** thanks for the TL vs. ML catch, I hadn't noticed that before.

 

great link, jak, some good points in that article about the cache differences between AMD and Intel, and the higher cache (512k) on the TL52 cores obviously makes a big jump over the 256 on the TL50.

 

Also of note is the new Sempron for S1 update. Sempron now has 512K L2, 64-bit, DDR2 667 MHz support.

I hadn't seen anything about this before, but the new Sempron's should be awsome. They are basically just like the new Turions, but with a single core and they took out (or disabled, I'm not sure) the virtualization. That seems to tell me that a Sempron (S1 socket) > Turion (754 socket). The only advantage I see for older Turion's (754 socket) is their 1MB L2.

Sempron should blow away any competing Celeron chip, and compare more like a core solo Intel chip.

 

Coffee, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to put in a link over to the other S271//MS-1058 thread (and vice versa) so I don't double post.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...t=53468&page=1

 

jak,

no problems, we are kind of double-posting on this topic.

 

You can't directly compare the TL52 score to the TL50 because the TL52 PC Mark score was a CPU score only whereas the TL50 was a complete PC Mark score (which include CPU score as well as others). I guess we'll just have to wait for a true benchmark test. I'm very interested to see the results....

 

I agree that we need to do more benchmarks when the system hits, esp since some of the tests that exist today were done on pre-release systems.

 

Battery tests are what I am looking for...
My Turion64 ML-32 while it did hold up to the Intel's in area's. For x200 graphics, and a 35w CPU. It got pretty warm, and lacked battery life.
I was "schooled" by Pentium M's with 15.4 inch screens in 3 hour classes at school. My notebook could barely squeeze by underclocked and undervolted.
I do not plan to knock AMD. They ran a hard game especially with the prices. Seeing the Geforce 6150 as a graphics options on all AMD's will be a big advantage.
Battery life is where AMD lost the mobile battle for so long.
Hopefully this will change. I went with Core Duo because...Turion64 X2 is vague at the moment.
Has anyone gotten their hands on a notebook yet to compare?

 

Just to kinda close out this thread, I'd thought I'd post a review I found. To summerize here's the specs that the reviewer came up with. They reviewed an S271 (wich comes with the TL-50, and a single 512Mb RAM). It did fairly well, but lacked CPU power and only did average on the battery tests. I'd still like to see a faster CPU and dual channel 1-2 GB RAM configuration tested.

PC Mark 05
CPU 3243 (3997 when overclocked to 1.97GHz)
Mem 2870 (3497 overclocked)
GFX 859
HDD 2802
Overall 2508

3D Mark 03
1418

3D Mark 05
653

Batttery Tests

DVD Playback
3:19

Mobile Mark Office Productivity
3:56

Mobile Mark Reader
4:15



And here's the actual review:

http://www.laptoplogic.com/reviews/detail.php?id=128&part=full&page=1

 

I got a 1058
specs are AMD X2 Turion TL-52
2 gig RAM
256mb video
40 gig 5400
I went ahead and placed the screen at its dimmest.
I got about 4hrs of battery life.
That's while being connected wirelessly and using outlook and aim.
THe battery life is better than my dell 700m 8 cell battery

 

Does anyone know when the MS-1057 became available in black after it's initial release? I wanted to buy the "Stealth Black" MS-1058 since it comes with the Turion 64 X2 and a better integrated graphics chipset (compared to the Intel). However, all the resellers only offer it in white while resellers abroad (Germany, UK) already offer it in black.

robfactory: What is the maximum amount of memory that can be allocated to the ATI Xpress 200M? 256MB?

Thanks in advance.

 

So I have a fast MS-1058 (TL-60 and 2GByte fast memory, fast HD, etc.)

I need to get a driver that will let me turn off tapping on the touch pad. Any help?

I can run a benchmark if anyone has them.

 

I don't think that's a driver thing. Isn't it a setting in windows?, under the mouse section in the control panel.

You may want to post this question in a new thread - this on won't see much attention now that the 1058's are out.

 

You can try the driver from this model, not sure if it's the same pad but it may work:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_nb_detail.php?UID=608&kind=11

 

there is a driver for the s271 touchpad.
It's not linked on the notebooks driver site, but you will get to it,
if you search for notebook drivers on the msi homepage without selecting
the s271. It's actually very old and a little bit buggy and as far as i know
it is the same driver the other notebooks (I think the L7xx series) uses.