Overclocking CPU on 16F2 barebone success! (from the bios)

It starts.

EDIT: Step two:

 

WOW!!! So, you have modded bios? Is it stable? Could you please post it here with flashing instructions? Will be appreciated!

 

This is wonderful news indeed! Tim4 pretty much said all what i want.

 

Yes this is using Xonar's modified bios:

AS IN HIS DESCRIPTION THIS IS FOR 16F2 BAREBONE ONLY! NOT FOR GT683 USERS!

BACKUP YOUR BIOS BEFORE FLASHING!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...rebone-overclocking-cpu-xm-2.html#post7956693

As far as I can tell you must also have X.M.P memory.

Within the bios you will now see LOADS of options. You want to go to the advanced tab and there is a selection dealing with all the clocks (memory etc), once in there go to the intel ICC section.

Then from here follow these steps in this order ONLY!

STEP1:

Enable the intel watchdog timer. Save and restart.

STEP2:

Go into the bios, flip the watchdog timer back to off FIRST.

Go into the S2 clock options (2nd one down) change the base clock from 100mhz to your desired clock. (10000 is the base (in 10khz steps) so 10400 is 104mhz)

Selet the apply settings for 1st reboot only option.

Save and reset.

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You now have a new bus speed, if the LCD backlight never comes on and the system restarts your overclock is unstable, if the backlight does come on but it restarts you have not followed my steps!

Now considering no other order of doing things works I think I was pretty good for figuring it out.

 

Yep, I'll quote it just to have the post in the same thread:

Meaker - that's a nice 120 mhz bump for no work . Oddly enough my stock bus speed is 99.8 and your's is 100.8, hmm.

 

Just finished unlocking 3.03, download link posted above. Couple new random/useless options appeared, mainly in the BOOT subfolder and a couple extra randomly scattered around and new microcodes (no clue what effect these have).

Anyone have a changelog of 3.03 so I know exactly what's been changed?

 

Hey mate, the 100.8mhz was a 1Mhz overclock to test if it worked.

I have now reached 104.3Mhz, which gives me a max 8 thread turbo of 3.13Ghz

Also means my memory is now running at 835mhz.

 

According to the BIOS dates on POST, 3.00 is about two months newer than 3.03. The lettering is very different between the two, hmm. You can check by disabling quiet boot. Any thoughts?

Also, I seem to have messed up my internal mic somehow, somewhere. It is responsive if you tap on it, but when talking its 1/20th the volume it should be even with +30db mic boost. Doubt this is from flashing the BIOS, I'll see what I can find.

Is your CPU able to sustain 3.13 forever, or is it like my 2920XM ES where it drops down from 3.1ghz to 2.8ghz because at 3.1ghz its running at +10 TDP (65W) vs. 55W @ 2.8ghz.

 

Please don't flash these BIOS on your 683. It's a guaranteed brick and a couple days full of headaches. This is ONLY for the MS-16F2 whitebook/barebone. Sorry.

 

BTW you can force the spread spectrum to 0 and it stops it downclocking.

Currently at 104.5Mhz.

 

Where do I find this option. Can't find it.

Wow, that's really impressive, considering desktop boards have hard times past 103mhz!

 

You may have the same problem I did with the mic. Assuming your mic has never been that great, the mic holes may not be punched all the way through. They ended up punching out the holes on the opposite side, but you can't tell from the exterior because they weren't punched all the way through on the wrong side =/.

 

Thing is, they worked fine before, it just started this morning. Here's the oddity:

In Windows' sound manager, it doesn't detect anything I say, scream or whisper. But, if I tap the holes where the mic are, it picks up a couple green bars (registers noise).

At the same time, Skype reflects my voice back with full green bars as well as tapping. I tried Mumble as well and I could hear myself back. Strange.

If I am reading that correctly, you mean I would have to disassemble the bezel ?

 

I don't think you'll have to disassemble the bezel if it was working fine before. It's starting to sound more like the mic hardware is starting to give out, but I'm assuming you recently bought the notebook. Then again, the mics that MSI uses haven't gotten a great reputation. It's logical to think that the BIOS changes may have affected it, because that's really the only substantial thing that you changed? But I've never heard of BIOS changes affecting a mic's performance/workability.

 

Exactly, you're just as confused as I am.

 

Advanced -> Intel ICC 2nd clock gen down.

 

Thanks for your concern but i have no intention of applying this on my machine. But can you please take a look at GT683's bios to see if they have anything similar so you could try and apply the same modification? If not, can you at least point me to some basic steps on how to do what you have accomplished?

 

When you say you want what Tim4 wants, it's not the same. He has a 16F2, while you have a 683. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as redundant, but I have to be clear. It's to prevent problems, not create more; hence resellers always reminding people the same thing on this forum. Currently my work is limited to the 16F2 as I have first hand access to testing the BIOS before posting them. I will not be modifying any 680/683 BIOS. There are multiple forums across the web dedicated to this matter, where someone volunteers to do it for you or you have to donate/pay for their services. I am not interested in this kind of work. Maybe in the future, sorry again.

Edit: To make my point clearer, I'm not trying to come off as a pushover but, there are many factors that come into play. These are experimental BIOS, AT BEST, no warranty is given or support and flashing these could very well brick your machine and void your notebook's warranty at the same time. Manipulating many of the settings can leave you with a paperweight for good. Imagine if something goes wrong then? With a retail 683, you get two years of warranty. I'm not risking your insurance for a $1,500 notebook, over some petty 100-200mhz overclocking. It's silly. With a barebone/whitebook ms-16f2, you get one year, and it's a very limited and basic warranty, only for the chassis itself. Most people who order the barebone, get it for the reason of flexibility and customization. We bought the notebook in anticipation of modding it. Most have already voided their warranties and have experience in this field and feel comfortable with what they are doing. At this point in the modding/overclocking of the 16F2, Meaker is on his 2nd day with the new BIOS, I'm on my 5th. Currently, it's a testing stage of tweaking numbers by the Mhz/KHz just to get things stable. It's a game of artificial numbers, these have little affect on your notebook's performance. You will only see risk in trying unproven BIOS and incredibly marginal real-world gain, from what we have discovered so far. For instance, 104.5mhz on your BCLK is highly unstable on most desktop motherboards, I'm surprised Meaker has gotten his up that high to begin with. Until some huge discovery is made on safely overclocking, I will not be taking requests.

I prefer to be the guinea pig and try to help the 1% out in their quest for overclock/modding their machines. During my case with unlocking v3.03 for the first time, my machine was stuck in an endless restart cycle after I changed around a bunch of setting in the BIOS and I couldn't enter the BIOS. It was incredibly frustrating and time consuming and not something I want others to have to go through.

Also, according to Meaker's post:

If you have 16GB, then it's impossible that you have HyperX, as Donald(Paladin44) has confirmed in another thread, that the on-board memory controller for i7-2nd gen quads cannot handle 1866mhz @ 12GB on the MS-16F2. Also, you have a retail 683DXR, further proving you don't have HyperX memory . So even with 16Gb @ 1600mhz, with a slight bump on the BCLK, your memory will also OC, possibly causing a highly unstable system. Of course, this is all theoretical, but I can guarantee you that the money put towards a new memory kit is not worth the 120 extra mhz.

Another reason why I'm not taking requests is because once I do one request, I'm going to be getting flooded with every single notebook to be unlocked. I don't have the necessary tools or skills to do that and certainly not the time. I'll just leave this out there: every notebook's BIOS can be unlocked, most won't have anything to unlock except for things like HTT or ISST, so it won't even matter.

Just change SSC to 0? Don't need to configure anything with watchdog or any other settings?

 

I don't know, try it with the apply to only first restart option and it wont hurt.

 

Umm so what Tim said and what i want to know is if it is stable, and the process of upgrading it for reference. Although i have never upgraded to a modded BIOS before, i did get on an official one and many new firmwares for other devices. And again thank you for your passionate explaination, i hope you dont read this post as me trying to be a know-it-all.

And although at the moment im running a 2630QM and 16gb ram (12 stock and 4 crucial), i am waiting for a 2920XM ES on its way and 2 pairs of kingston hyperX 1600 in my room waiting to be put in.

I just want to read more about the process, to understand it better and maybe not today but sometime in the future try to push my soon to arrive 2920XM as it has been done on other system.

 

No worries, I'm just making it clear, that this has just been discovered and has just started being worked on. Unfortunately, there is no documentation to go along with anything, so it's all mostly a shot in the dark.

Well, to put it in simple terms, your XM will be able to get ~120mhz overclock using this method with the correct BIOS. I think you'll be left rather disappointed as I am. The multiplier ratios are missing in the BIOS completely. We're pretty much stuck with a 2.8 - 3.1 ghz @ 4 cores. I own a 2920xm ES.

Hopefully one day, we can get the multipliers to be able to be set, but so far we have to work around that method and come up with clever ways. I don't see the BCLK overclock yielding anything interesting. It is severely sensitive to overclocking and I doubt anyone would be able to get anything higher than a 180 mhz bump. Back to thinking of new ideas.

Also, just to bring an update. After reviewing the BIOS revision dates, it looks like V3.00 is the newest. I have gone back to V3.00 and unlocked everything I could possibly find. There should be a couple more random subfolders. Also, USB 2.0/3.0 toggle has been unlocked and is changeable. I just updated the image and reuploaded it.

Edit: Setting SSC to 0 doesn't change the throttle. All it does is lock the BCLK to 100mhz flat. After a minute, it drops to 2.9 and then to 2.8ghz on wprime @8 threads.

 

so cool.THX.
but is only use for 16F2.
so..u can develop an 680/683 use Bios?
Big THX.

 

3DMark 06:

http://3dmark.com/3dm06/16096994

 

Sorry, I have explained why I will not on page 2.'

104.5 not stable Meaker?

I still cant force the CPU from downclocking. It's driving me insane. All indications point to it being a TDP slowdown, but the factory time is set to 28 (maybe 55?) seconds before it'll go down, but mine goes for ~1 minute before it lowers it's turbo ratio.

 

well.i know yet..THX.

 

Yeah 104.5 was slightly unstable on the intel burn test.

 

Just to confirm, yes you need X.M.P supporting memory to unlock those options.

Tried again with my other sticks and they would not show up.

 

what XMP memory are you using ?

 

I think only HyperX are XMP ready.

From his signature.

 

Is it difficult or unstable to modify the bios to allow the use of XMP memory? I put 16Gb into mine (kingston hyperx) but it stay at 665Mhz and theres no option in bios to change that.

 

The bios unlocks memory ratio changing, unfortunately as you are not running a barebones the bios is not compatible.

 

Meaker,

Are you saying that only barebones bios provide the memory ratio changing for HyperX Memory (like 1333Mhz CAS7 or 1600Mhz CAS9 for HyperX 1600X)?

 

Only the unlocked bios does, and atm that only works on the barebones (since its based off the barebones bios).

 

Why is it not possible to flash the barebones bios onto the non barebones notebook?

 

I'd assume it's slightly different features like: LED lights, P1 cooling, turboboost, eco mode, etc?

 

Well I can say that in the case of the msi 1651, msi wrote on their website that the bios for the non barebones shouldn't be flashed onto the barebones.

However I was able to switch between the barebones bios and the non barebones bios for my non barebones MSI GT627. I even tried using the BIOS from a GT628 and it worked. I've given a user my GT627 bios and he flashed it onto his GT628 and that worked as well.

Another user was able to flash the non barebones bios and EC onto his barebones to get the overclocking button to work (even though there was no picture on his touch panel for the turbo, the button still worked).

I'm not saying anyone should try using the barebones bios on their non barebones notebook, but if you know how to recover from a bad bios flash, then maybe it's worth the risk.

 

They should hold on that thought for a couple days -- I'm waiting for a couple responses. I'm currently doing some research and then we might have a 683 BIOS unlock. For now I'm just thinking XMP support, I'm not sure if the BCLK is necessary to be messed with.

Also, IIRC, someone started a thread a while ago saying they flashed the wrong one and their computer won't even go to POST? I could be thinking of something else though. ;/

 

Man im so hopeful right now , this thread make my (cloudy) saturday. In the official MSI forum, there is a thread specifically on how to recover BIOS and EC in case things go south

 

The only problem is, if it works, you may loose some of your functionality.

 

Just curious, has anything like this been done with a 1761 barebone (well aware that it would require a completely different BIOS)?

Edit: Nevermind, think I was just too blind to see the thread.

 

Indeed there is, and you can find what you need here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/616823-comprehensive-msi-unlocked-bios-xmp-support-thread.html



EDIT: And I was too blind to see your edit, LOL!