Not really happy with MSI GX70 would GT70 be much better?

Bought a GX70 the other day and while the build is solid I am experiencing lots of problems with the A-10 5750m CPU it's bottlenecking and not switching properly most games only show the iGPU HD4650m running and not the HD8970m.

So main question is while I am still able to exchange my new notebook would it be in my best interests to exchange it for the GT70 with the I7-4700mq and the GTX770m are the GPU comparable and is the CPU gonna not cause me as many issues?

Any help is most appreciated.

 

You will see a boost in performance with games that are CPU based rather than GPU based. Score wise, the GT70 with a 770M will be slightly better. If price isn't too much of a concern, you will most likely see better consistency with the GT over the GX. Odd that it is showing a HD4650 as the integrated on that is a 8650G... Other GX owners probably have more experience on getting the most performance out of their GX machines...

If it were me, I'd pay the extra $100 and go with the GT70 with the 770M... If you really want that top tier ATI machine hold out for a Kaveri chip release at the end of the year.

 

My mistake it is the 8650g integrated in the A-10. Just was really hoping the same issues that cursed the trinity CPUs wouldn't be prevalent here and it seems to be. I mean it couldn't top 10fps on the DX10/11 Physics tests in 3dmark.

No doubt that the CPU is leagues better with the I7. But what about comparing the radeon 8970 to the GTX770m

 

The ATI 8970M is better than the nVidia 770M in terms of raw performance. It is odd that it's not switching to the dedicated 8970M during the 3DMark test. You might want to check on the GX60\GX70 threads to see if any other GX users have had this issue.

The CPU performance gain between Trinity -> Richland is only ~10-15% increase, so the Richland wouldn't see a huge improvement. Even a I5 has better CPU performance than the top of the line AMD APU right now.

 

Yeah only shows the HD8650G and all drivers are updated.

AMD Radeon HD 8650G video card benchmark result - AMD A10-5750M,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-176K

While it shows it in the secondary GPU, GPUz never shows it as being used or rates it as if it were being used.

How much different are we talking, the GX70 came with a 2gb DDR5 8970m, while the GT70 is a 3gb DDR5 770MX. I plan on upgrading the Haswell from a 4700 to a 4800MQ as well. Would expect that to be fairly future proof for at least a few years. Its the CPU that worries me the most with this laptop that it will become dated much quicker.

 

Hmmm.... not too sure with 3DMark 2013 if those are accurate scores or not. Have you tried getting a Benchmark from 3DMark11? You should get a score around 4800-ish range using the dedicated GPU.

If we were to compare GPU's using an identical I7's the AMD 8970M would perform much better than an nVidia 770M.... however, a 780M should outperform a 8970M. But since the GX uses the A10/8970, that's an apples to oranges comparison.

Haswell is the new Intel's Tic, next year will be the die shrink for their Toc, so you should be good with 4700/4800 for at least 2 years. AMD pumps out about 2-3 itterations of their APU's a year, but they don't change their socket as much.

What do you plan on using the machine mostly for? If you plan on using heavy processing applications the upgrade from a 4700 to 4800 would be good, but if you plan on gaming mostly, the upgrade of the 770M to 780M would be preferred over the processor as the 4700 is pretty darn capable of handling those tasks.

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Well I could always go with the Sager and upgrade the 770mx to an 8970m and keep the CPU an I7 4700 I was just worried I'd run into issues again with the switching. But yeah the Sanger is like $69 more then the GX70 and I can make it a 4gb 8970m for I think +$125 would this be better then the GT70 I don't know Sagers very well. It's called the Sager NP8290 (Clevo P177SM).

I really liked the people and service from the site i ordered from so I don't want to return it hoping to just exchange and pay difference. So keeping within their stock.

 

From what I've heard, Enduro (AMD) is not as seamless swapping as Optimus (nVidia). If you are happy with the staff/site you order from you should start a conversation with them about getting the laptop that suits your needs. If they value your business they should work with you to continue to keep you as a customer.

Sagers are good machines too. I was looking at them as well, I think they are up there with MSI. Sagers use a dual cooling fan setup (one on the GPU and one on the CPU) where MSI uses a single fan. So, Sager will probably produce a little bit more fan noise than an MSI.

 

I have the MSI GX60....3dmark shows 8650g instead of 8970m is because of Enduro..But that doesn't mean 8970m was not used during the benchmark...3dmark scans for hardware in the beginning before the initialization of the benchmark...The graphics scores that you've got tally with those for 8970m...

You can force 8650g in AMD control centre to have a look at what 8650g can do in the benchmark..that should convince you that the graphics switching is working...

The easiest way to tell if dedicated card is used, is by looking at the colour of the LED button..Orange when it is in high performance mode...white when it is using 8650g

 

Raw performance = 8970M by far
Physics/cpu = msi gt70 by far
That´s a delicate choice, If you're willing to play cpu intensive game don't hesitate go Haswell, command and conquer Generals 2, GTA V, dragon age 3, company of heroes 2, wargame are some examples.

 

Ive been saying this ever since MSI mixed 7970m with a AMD APU. The APU is good enough for mid end GPUs but not the high end.

Its a mixed answer I can give you though. In some games the 8970m + 5750m will be much better than a GT70 with GTX 770M and i7. Other times its other way around. Sometimes the are equal.

I would go with GT70 with i7 and GTX 780m. It is miles ahead of the GX70

 

Sadly the price is also miles ahead...I am sure all of us would pick i7 +780m combo if budget is not a problem..

 

Think ill be going with the GT70 20D with the 780M and I7 for $300 more. Ill just forego the SSD more then likely. It is not needed like the other parts are more just extra icing on cake.

 

Ok I'm at one last cross road while waiting for Monday to hear back from them about exchange. But if you were going to get the GT70 with the 780m would you go for a CPU upgrade from the 4700 to the 4800 going from 2.4ghz to 2.7ghz or still with the 4700mq and grab an SSD?

 

4700MQ + SSD anyday of the week. Upgrading to 4800mq is a waste of money in my opinion. Will give you 1-2 FPS extra in some few games tops. SSD will benefit you all the time

 

For sure! Thank you very much will go with the GT70 with the 780m and the 4700 and SSD unless they don't charge me much for restocking fee might be able to upgrade both.

 

Should I get the y510p SLI, GT70-2OC, or Sager NP8290 to play Crysis 3, BF3, and Far Cry 3 on high settings? Or any other recommended laptop under 1400$ to play these. Thanks

 

AMD mobile GPU switching issues are a notorious problem. I had to RMA a Clevo with an HD7970M because of this......it worked to begin with, but after a freeze up or two, it started not to work and there was nothing I could do to fix it. The Alienware I believe, offers manual switching options for dedicated GPU, other than that, I don't understand why AMD GPU's are even being put into laptops when their switching software just doesn't work very well......(how hard it can be to write a program that tells a component to kick in with 3D applications, I have no idea, but AMD clearly have huge difficulties with this).

 

As they were when I first bought the laptop they handled me with great customer service they are letting me exchange in my old system and paying a bit more for a GT70 with the 4800mq and GTX780 and 160gb SSD. Not gonna get caught with my pants down in any game haha!!!!

 

Yeah with that setup you should have zero problems handling almost every game at ultra settings, and keep you good on high settings for new games at least 2 years.

 

i bought gx60. and tried to play ac3 but it seems to be lag. and fps was 10-20. pls help

 

You got the best current combo for single GPU

 

AC3 is a pretty bad pc port and it hates AMD, be it GPU or CPU. All you can do is to reduce settings...

 

Or get an ES APU and overclock it.

 

Wrong topic.