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    MSI entire lineup from 2013 with Haswell and 700M series

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2013.

  1. Cloudfire

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    Like x460 :) but stronger.
     
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    Not bad, 765m should be quite strong enough. Is it a 675mx rebrand perhaps? Since 770m appears to be 680m and 780m is 680mx. I think???
     
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    Current thinking suggests around 700 shaders and a 128bit mem bus for the 760 and 765M.
     
  5. Cloudfire

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    According to what I`ve heard:

    GTX 765M = GTX 670MX (With GPU Boost 2.0)
    GTX 770M = GTX 675MX (With GPU Boost 2.0)
     
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    765M listings that people have put up show 2GB of ram...
     
  7. IKAS V

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    MSI is on a roll, will be keeping an eye on there upcoming lineup.
    Are the new GT60 and GT70 going use the old body style with next gen hardware? Or something new?
     
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    Looks like it's the same style according to the photos we've seen from the leaked information.
     
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    Well MSI has been using the same overall body/chasis for a while, they just change some aesthetic details here and there. In a way, it's understandable, since it's a proven design that works.
     
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    Thanks!

    I thought so but wasn't sure, don't get me wrong I think they look great just wasn't sure if they updated the chasis with a thinner or lighter body.
     
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    All I'm interested in now are higher resolutions.
     
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    Really! Higher than 1080P?
    I know the APPLE's with high res screen's are beautiful but for gaming even the highest end GPU's would have trouble having fluid frame rates with a lot of today's games at higher res.
    As long as it's a good quality panel I'm fine at 1080P.
     
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    I wouldn`t say no to a 1600p display in the GT70.
     
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    Design inspired by old model GT/GX 740 . Nice.
     
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    Thinner and lighter would mean worse cooling or less drive bays.
     
  16. ryzeki

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    I personally Like 1920x1080 in these 15 to 17 inch screens. I want higher res in higher size panels. Apple's whole retina is just too much for a very shallow improvement. Sure pictures and everything has more detail, but the performance cost is high.

    With smartphones it's the same deal. 1920x1080 res on the phone screens? Poor GPUs struggle to render even at 720p, what are they supposed to do but cry all day rendering stuff?
     
  17. Any_Key

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    Based on the screenshots for the GE40, looks like no optical (too dark to tell) drive and the vents are on the left side? Looking forward to the new GT60's... until I see the price tag.

    Also, can someone explain the advantage of why 4GB of DDR5 is better than 16GB DDR3 RAM?
     
  18. felix3650

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    That is a typo ;) DDR5 isn't out yet.. we still need DDR4 :p

    I too need to know the price before deciding if I should start putting money aside or not!
     
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    Specs are one thing but prices are another ball game when it comes to secrecy ;)
     
  20. Any_Key

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    The one I have my eye on I'm hazarding a guess it's gon'na be $1899.00, not including customization done by reseller.
     
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    I never thought 1920x1200 was large enough, space-wise; and now my laptop's resolution is lower than that.

    It seems like "QFHD" would be nice.
     
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    wow these look nice! Im interested on the GE40 and GE60.
     
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    On higher resolution panels however you have to deal with text readability. You can do 2 things to improve that: change LCD density in windows (dpi) or lower your resolution. First option will get you with disproportioned text in ex. webpages. Second one will blurry everything.
    If you ask me I'm fine with 1080p. They just need to improve color accuracy and make the brightness more even across the LCD area.
    Micro$oft could learn a bit from Android how dpi scaling can be used effectively without sacrificing too much picture quality if higher resolution panels are to be used. Look at the Samsung Galaxy S4. It has a 1080p screen at only 5". If it came with win7 you would have to strain your eyes too much to read a text. If you get what I mean :)
    I hope windows 9 improves that so we can start seeing 2560x1600 panels :p

    @Meaker

    Always teasing eh? :p hahaha :)
     
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    If you click on the source website and scroll down, it shows the price.
     
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    1974$

    Let me remove the BD-ROM and the 128gb ssd + 750gb hdd and I'm in :)
     
  26. Any_Key

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    That is a pretty fair price considering the current config without the 128GB mSATA is $1899.99. Odd that both the 17.3 and 15.6 share identical prices. I really want the 780M, but the 770M is 300 less. Do I want performance, or do I want to be cheap...
     
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    Or wait for the barebone version....
     
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    Yep... I'm gon'na play the waiting game. Feel like not getting the 780M would be cheating myself if I want my next laptop to last 2-3 years.
     
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    You`re right Meaker.
    GTX 675M is 2GB so its either a 128bit or a 256bit bus most likely 128bit. GTX 770M is 3GB so its a 192bit bus.
     
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    Hey guys!
    I found this one. To my untrained eye it looks very much like built on a MSI barebone, but I like to hear your opinion? The pictures may be a bit different to the ones posted here (touchpad)? It says "available from mid June".

    DevilTech - High Performance Systems-_Fragbook DTX #

    Now there needs to be some reviews on these and the new Clevos (I was actually looking for their new models to appear in shops).
     
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    Im really excited about the newer GE60 or GE40, I have to sell my current GT60 because its too big for college, and the getting the newer GE60 would be like buying a more powerful and slimmed down version. But what im confused about is the GE40 only getting that new body? Or is the GE60/70 also getting it?

    Also I cant find it, but will the GE40 have a 1080p display? Judging by the picture it definitely doesn't look like a 768p, it must be a 900p or a 1080p display.
     
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    Here is a picture within the upcoming GT70 with Haswell and GTX 680M.
    Notice the new SSD Raid0 card on the top left corner. Features 3 mSATA SSDs :D

    [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting heatsink modification... brigde between GPU and CPU Hmmm.... tho the heatsink passes too close to the RAM modules.
     
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    Nice spotted ryzeki. Didn`t notice that when I tried to find other changes. Better temps now perhaps, or modifications made for the 780M. idk :)
     
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    Well now that I think about it, my barebone had similar temps on both the CPU and GPU, but depending on the load, the fan speed was a bit uneven. Maybe this might help with those uneven loads, heating more area and cooling more.
     
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    Maybe that design is the result of Haswell's power efficiency compensating for 780m's power increase. Since only the first heatpipe is extended (which corresponds to the lower part of the gpu die that gets hotter), it would create more surface area, hence more cooling potential. I just wish they used 100% copper heatsink though.. ;)
     
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    wow the GT70 clearly have more heatsinks than GX70 :D

    GX70 (AMD Richland APU + 8970M)


    GT70 (Intel Haswell CPU + 780M/770M)
     
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    Do we have any idea when they'll be releasing? Really interested in the GE40/60!
     
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    Interesting extra heatpipe! Glad MSI come up with something new (in addition of the extra mSATA slot)
     
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    Hey paul :)

    They should have used all copper heatsinks (at least on the gpu). THAT would have been an improvement ;)
    mSATA performance is hold back by it's 4K write/read speed. I hope they have improved that..
     
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    Funny enough I am most interested in finding out if the new GE60 has a backlit keyboard.
     
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    OMG this is getting interesting :hi2:

    [​IMG]

    Dragon Edition returns with an improved version

    Super Raid 2 (3 x mSATA SSDs in Raid0 for 1500MB/s speed)
    Cooler Boost 2 (What is that??? Improved cooling? More intelligent cooling?)
    NOS (Some kind of overclocking support Ken talked about?)
     
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    I just found out what Cooler boost 2 is. That extra copper pipe is gonna do wonders to both temperatures and noise levels in the upcoming GT70 models compared to 2012 models. Well done MSI :thumbsup:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, with the heatsink bridge you can have more uniform temperatures instead of independent cooling. I can see how it would help overall specially since normal usage is focused on Optimus, thus having a bigger heatsink for CPU cooling.

    When taxed, it will be a giant heatsink working together.
     
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    It's either this or the haswell clevo for me. Though i'm having doubts about the supposedly quieter fan, anything quieter than the gt780r will sound like silence to me... Take my money!
     
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    Hmm. I wonder if that heatsink assembly would fit in the previous gen laptops, e.g. 16F3. Because, I mean, you can never have too much Coppah™.

    One little problem, if you can call it that, with this new design is it looks like it'll make thermal pasting less modular. In the older models, if you want to repaste your CPU or your GPU, all you have to do is lift the corresponding heatsink and ta-da, you're good to go. With the bridged heatsinks you'll have to remove both in order to work on one (resulting in you having to repaste both).
     
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    You nailed it Forge! :)
    Another problem is: REMOVING the heatsink requires that you bend the connecting heatpipe.. Unfortunately, like the previous gt70, the fins are placed a bit deeper in the chasis.
    I mean, when removing the gpu heatsink, you also had to PULL it outside and not only lift it. Try and do the same with both heatsinks forming almost a square. The connecting heatpipe will bend and loose it's efficiency. A bit more harder for us to upgrade ;)

    [​IMG]

    I hope it gets clear on the image. I did it with my Galaxy Note 2 :p
     
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    you are the next da vinci I will say

    whos betting with me that the 4702MQ is going to be a 35w quad?
     
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