MSI MS-1651?barebone.

Can i put a Core 2 duo T5720 in here im saving up to but a quad core but for now the t5270 is all i have.

 

Quad core is not supported in this chassis.

 

you sure about that?
http://www.xoticpc.com/force-3551-built-msi1651-p-2462.html?wconfigure=yes

 

Q9000 is reported to have a different pin out than the Q9100 or QX9300 and is the same as the Pxxx and Txxx dual core chips and has a lower TDP so it can most likely support the lesser Heatsink/Fan requirements and will post versus the Q9100 and QX9300 that won't even post/register. If the 1651 supports the Q9000, it won't support the Q9100 or QX9300 (which is why you have never seen the Q9100 or QX9300 offered).

The Q9000 has half the cache as the Q9100 and QX9300. It is the, "economy" version of quad core computing so it makes since it would work in systems restricted to Dual Core CPUs.

 

Positive unless they have changed it within the last 5 days. We were working on the quad support last week and msi said that the quad will not be supported in this chassis, only the X9100. I just sent an email out to confirm and make sure no update /change was made. The only bare-bone supporting the quad is supposed to be the ms-1722.

 

Different pins would make sense, but the tdp should be fine.

 

Just received confirmation, NONE of the "Q" series CPU's are supported in this chassis.

 

>.> interesting, powernotebooks has the same model also offering the q9000.
The email they sent you, does it say something like it won't work because the system can't handle the heat or because of the pins?

 

Honestly when i spoke with them i did not go into the "why's" on this model and quad support, we have been working with msi for years and if they say the cpu is not supported they have valid reasons. I will not comment on another resellers products but my best guess is the bios is not setup or capable of handling all four cores properly. This chassis "officially" supports ONLY dual core cpu's. Yes you can install it, will it boot, yes, will it function properly and to it's full potential, NO.

 

hmm whats interesting is you guys support the x9100 but not the q9000 and its backwards for xoticpc.

 

It is not "US" that supports the X9100 and is not "US" that is not supporting the "Q" series cpu's. This is straight from the manufacture, dual core cpu support ONLY on this model. We build our notebooks ONLY with the info we receive from MSI. Can we put a Q9000 in this chassis and sell it? , yes, would we? NO. Will it function properly, NO.

If you have any doubts call the manufacture directly. I just replied to a member stating he was going to install a quad core. The info i have posted is direct from the manufacture.

 

Down boy...it's easy for us forum members to forget you guys have nothing to do with actual computer building/design.

 

Didn't inferno say in the GX620 thread that he dropped a 9000 something into a 1651 and it ran hot enough that he immediately swapped it out?
What was that it inferno?

edit: er i mean he tried something above the t9600 and it was running too hot

 

It was the X9100. The CPU load temp was 84-86C, but that was just the CPU. With the video card, the temperature crept up past 90C. However, the 1651 had no problems detecting an running it, it's the heat that was the concern.

 

Considering people with 17" laptops using the x9100 get temps in the high 80c range while running orthos its not much of a surprise that a 15.4 model would overheat.

 

So, this thing will take quad core CPUs? It just heat that's the problem?

 

No, it won't take a Quad Core.

The heat issue is just in general in regards to hotter CPUs in a smaller 15.4" chassis.

 

I am sorry that I didn't notice this thread earlier, but I enter it now to clear up some confusion and misinformation.

1. The PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) will support both the Q9000 and Q9100 processors
2. Both processors are supported by the PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) CPU socket
3. Neither processor violates the PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) thermal budget (all those that have the PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) already know how cool and quiet it runs)
4. Using either the Q9000 or Q9100 processor does not void the PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) warranty

 

Also confirmed from two other resellers, this from xoticpc.
We have confirmed with MSI Global not only is the Q9000 Supported but also the Q9100.
For you forum members this is exactly why you should check more than one source.

 

also confirmed today with msi on the phone.. they will work according to the tech i spoke with

 

I purchased two 1651's from RK, one for my wife and the other for my son. It is funny you post this because 3 weeks ago my wife wanted to install a quad core and i was told by RK that the manufacture said it is not supported. So being me i called msi and they said that none of the 1651's will support quad core's. Then i saw this thread a few days ago and again being me i again called msi. They told me that there is absolutly no quad core support for this model and never will be. Me i am going to believe what the manufacture told me twice. And just for giggles i am going to call again tomorrow, will let you know what they say.

 

funny. they guy told me yeah its no problem. it will work fine.. !! please tell me and get the name of who you speak with. i will also call again tomm and let them know what people are being told. i will check again tomm as well

 

The trick is knowing who to talk to at MSI. There is one fellow there (not to mention names, but his starts with R) who seems to always be a beat or two out of step with correct information.

The point is be careful when talking to him (R......), or anyone that just answers the phone...sadly, you really need to know who to talk to so that you get the accurate information.

Ours has been confirmed at the highest level.

 

Oi....................

"Bobby said that Vicki said that Sarah said that Margaret said Bonnie was like being a total $&% at lunch today!!"

We will eventually sort this out...

We DO have the technology....

 

^^^ 100% agreed. i have spoke with that person a couple times and i always ended up calling back

 

Well, in the end, can you say you have physically installed, tested and confirmed the Q9000 and Q9100 works in the 1651 barebones?

How about QX9300?

I figure you must have access to the hardware to confirm for us instead of playing phone tag.

 

i will be testing the q9100 in the one coming in a few days i will report back if it works or not, i can also test the qx9300 i will let you know if no one else has by that time

 

I would like to know how that QX9300 pans out. I can see myself making that upgrade in a year or so.

 

Donald is correct, it all about who you speak to. We also have received the same information regarding Quad support. We are going to be doing some testing with the Q9000/Q9100 and will report back with temps etc.. Nice to have a 15.4" with Quad Support

 

We speak to the same people you speak with and this in not towards you but what we were told from as you say the highest level at msi USA:


Where the confusion exists for Quad support in the "1651" is that there is a new model being released in a month or so that is also "called" a 1651. This model is the GT627 and has a different revision MB to support the Quad and newer VGA. If you email msi global as another member stated they are going to assume that the model is the GT627. This has caused confusion in the past as the global support is not aware of the difference in the usa products.

If you go to msi global and search "1651" you will have about 4 results of similar chassis, first being the GT627.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=searchresult&keywords=1651

Look at the bios name for "ALL" these results and you will see the bios name begins with 1651_XXX. Alls use the same bios but are not the same by design.

Who received the correct answer, you or me? The right answer would be best.


Last we tried the Q cpu's cores 1&2 would report the correct speed and cores 3&4 did not. There is a newer bios recently released and over the weekend I will recheck to see if that was resolved.

 

It is not fun to eat crow...but eat crow I must.

Rob's information above turns out to be correct. The current MSI 1651 will NOT support any of the Quad Q9 series processors. They will only be supported by the next model revision just as Rob states in his post above.

My humble apologies to Rob, and to the now infamous Mr. R, and to all who were mislead by my earlier post.

 

Clarity is a wonder state of mind....

Thanks for all the vendors who reported and went the extra mile to clear up this issue with the 1651.

I am sure those who google for an answer and come here will appreciate it too.

 

well that must have been what they meant when i spoke with them then. i think its really bad to have two systems with the exact same model number out there. i was told this as well today on the phone i was coming to add this and see paladin already did.

apologies to rob as well.

ill still for sure try the quad and see if it boots or not. if rob said he tried it and it didnt work then im sure it doesnt. i was just posting what they told me on the phone but the guy never said anything about a "new" 1651 that imo is plain stupid..

i wonder if the new versions bios can be flashed to this one. i assume not due to a mobo revision.. i may try it and see and if it doesnt work i can always do a crisis recovery no big deal


sorry guys

 

The bios and firmware appear to all be the same, if you look at the bios and firmware for the GT627 and GX620 they are the same revision.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=searchresult&keywords=1651

 

ahh thank you. well then i guess thats that.. lol..

i still think it is really stupid of msi to release 2 notebooks with the same "model" number but have 2 different versions of it.. imo not cool

so rob the barebones are both called 1651? i see one is the 620 and the other the 627 but why the same name for the barebones.. imo msi should change that if that is the case

 

Honestly don't know if they are going to release a barebone in this model. All i have heard is the GT627 pre-configured.

 

Well, maybe RK Computers could find a way to sell some motherboards from the GT627 for us 1651 users. I'd bet my left mouse button it'd work the same.

 

^^ probably fit in the chassis right? quick question, im lazy to look back, but does the GT627 take ddr3 memory?

 

I'll been looking at this laptop model for awhile now and just to be sure I have two questions.

1. This model uses a glossy screen (what I would like)?
2. I wouldn't void the warranty if I change the hard drive on it would I? I read in another thread that there's no warranty sticker placed over the cover to the hard drive. I'm asking because I'm thinking of buying the MS-1651 from RK computers and buying a hard drive from another place since it's cheaper.

 

Yes the WXGA and WSXGA are both glossy screens. Installing your own hard drive will not void the warranty.

 

Thank you, as of this moment I am leaning more towards buying a MS-1651.

 

The MSI GT627 still uses DDR2.

 

has anyone ever created a definitive processor list? I am sure it would be helpful to a LOT of people!

 

Processors of different architectures are good at different things.

Processors of the same architecture can be compared by their clockspeed.





edit: and that's what happens when you read something out of context...

 

Actually, the PowerPro P 15:3 (MSI 1651) WSXGA+ screen comes with either glossy or matte screen.

Glossy screens are more reflective, and do not work as well outdoors, but seem to display more vibrant colors.

Matte screens display more accurate colors (graphics designers and photographers tend to require a Matte screen), are not reflective, and will work better outside (although unless shaded, no screen works well outside).

Replacing your hard drive will not void the warranty, but anything you might break while in there will not be covered by your warranty. However to save a few dollars on a hard drive it doesn't usually make sense to have to go to different sources for technical support and warranty should that hard drive give you any trouble.

 

I mean which will work for SURE in the 1651 and ones that will NOT work at all.

 

very impressed with these barebones, they are really very nice

 

these barebones are really worth it for someone with a tight budget. You can get everything packed and ready to go with a T9400 (QS/ES) for around $650 (give and take)... what other laptop that you can think of has such package available with a dedicated gfx card.