MSI GT83VR SLI-212 @ 1k USD

Just purchased one of these since it was so cheap(minor upgrade from my 6re model).

Seller took the time to send photos of a unit + talked to me about shipping. Ebay buyer protection is important here and i'm completely covered if this ends up being a load of crap(money will be tied up for over a month).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-18-4GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-212-7920HQ-CHEAPEST-ON-THE-WEB-WILL-SELL-FAST/223092116323?hash=item33f1538b63:g:RvIAAOSw51JbaVMI&_sacat=0&_nkw=msi+gt83vr&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2065413.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC2.A0.H0.Xmsi+gt83vr.TRS2

 

The video cards themselves usually go for $800. But that's part of the issue. There are three 1080's:
The 1080 used in the GT83VR, the 1080 used in the MSI 16L13, and the 1080 used in the GT73VR/GT75VR (the 6 core versions may or may not be the same card but use a different vbios).
Due to the positioning of the GPU cores, the 1080 here cannot be used in the 16L13 or GT73VR, no matter how much you try to mod the heatsinks. It's impossible. So taking out the 1080's to sell them would be worthless as no other systems could house them except GT83VR 1070 systems (and you would still need the heatsinks).

Note that the 16L13 1080 won't work in the GT73VR/GT75VR either (GPU core orientation on card is different).

One thing to remember is that the 7920HQ is a 45W CPU, meaning good luck maintaining 4.3 ghz on all cores without TDP throttling.

You may be able to use the IMON SLOPE and IMON OFFSET tweaks to fool the TDP however.

Find out which system works best overall first. After doing IMON SLOPE=50 and IMON OFFSET= negative 31999 and do some tests.
Keep in mind that if the video cards are good but the mainboard is bad, you can simply take out the video cards *AND* heatsinks and install them in your GT83VR, then you got a 1070 SLI to 1080 SLI for $1,000. But again if that worked, how would you sell your 1070's? There's no market for them due to the strange position of the GPU.

You can also experiment (if you want to risk it) with hardware TDP modding the GTX 1080 to 250W, but I would only run single card (not SLI) with that configuration; I'm not sure if the mainboard can deliver 500W to two video cards (despite it having 2x330W PSU's).

 

Interesting, didn't know that. I wish all these guys would just use the same gpu cards ><. I'm gonna repast the i7-7920hq and gtx 1080s with liquidmetal right away and then start running benchmarks. If it runs as good or better than my i7-6820hk gt83vr6re (1430 marks in xtu 4.2ghz stable daily rider) then i'll just swap my ram unless the stock ram overclocks to 2800mhz and keep the newer model/resell my 1070 model. As long as everything pans out and I can resell my gt836re close to or what I got it for, i'll have gotten a gt83 1080 model for 1k. If the seller still has more left once mine arrives, i'm going to buy some to flip lol. I thought about ordering 5-10 at once but I don't want that much money tied up in ebay claims if the deal ends up being bogus. Hopefully everything goes according to plan. If I did end up swapping the 1070s out for 1080s, I have a lead for a buyer for a single 1070 which is nice(although I think it would be harder to resell a gt83vr with only 1 gpu so maybe i'll just leave it be)

 

pretty sweet.

 

A buyer for a 1070?
What system is he going to use that 1070 in?
Because it for sure won't fit in ANY MSI or Clevo system besides another GT83VR....

 

Good deal, if it comes through you have scored large if you ask me.

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How hard is it to TDP mod a gpu? I wouldn't mind doing that

The buyer currently owns a clevo. I don't think either of us knew that it wouldn't be compatible. I'll have to give him the heads up

 

The only 1070 that fits in Clevos are the 1070 used in the GT73VR and GT75VR and 16L13. But some require small mods due to that strange tab.



If your card is IDENTICAL to this, then it will work, but if your card isn't Gsync, if you want gsync, you have to force flash the Gsync Bios (e.g.86.04.56.00.3A or 86.00.5B.00.44) with a hardware programmer as NVflash will whine about a mismatch ID.

But I know the 1080 in the GT83VR has the GPU literally flipped far behind the MXM pins.

Here look at this.
This is the GTX 1080 used in the GT73VR And GT75VR (these ALSO REQUIRE different GPU heatsinks and GPU VRM heatsinks than 1070 versions, but the mainboard it goes in is identical to 1070 versions).




Now this is the GTX 1080 used in the MSI 16L13.





I can't get any clear pictures of a "GT83VR" GTX 1080.
Is this the same card as this is blurry image?



If your 1070 looks like the 16L13 and GT73VR 1070's well....force flash a 3A or 44 vbios with a SPI programmer+1.8v adapter and see if it boots....

 

Listing link is invalid or has been taken down.

 

Okay, looks like MSI distributors are rolling these out in mass at dirt cheap prices. Reputable vendors

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/msi-gt83vr.html

Someone falsely reported the seller citing "fraudulent activity". The listing will be coming back up. These laptops are going to be rolled out in absolute MASS at dirt cheap prices. Get ready for the market to change drastically. Some vendors are going to disappear entirely as they won't be able to compete at all. I guess if china can afford to sell us technology at dirt cheap prices, other companies/vendors are going to have to do the same or go out of business. These prices really go to show how cheap this technology actually is. We've been substantially overpaying all this time. Why buy anything from Clevo, hp, dell, razer, acer etc etc when you can get just as much value(or more in most cases) from MSI at half the price or less?

The listing will be back up soon.

 

Let's hope this massive price drop is true. However the current GT73 VR I own will not have any resale value and what will happen with the next upgrade option. Let's see how this all plays out

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Spread the word around, there is absolutely no reason why we as a consumer should overpay. The faster this change impacts the market, the better off consumers will be. VARS, pc/laptop manufacturers and retailers are going to need to change their pricing drastically or close up shop. I think the best thing a consumer can do is inform people to hold off on all of their purchases until non-china based sellers stop being so greedy and give us a good price like china does. It's mind boggling how cheap technology actually is and how much we are being charged for it.

 

I'd love to get one of these just to transplant the 1080. But unfortunately this sale is worthless to me because:
1) it's a turdbook @Papusan
2) The 1080's can not be transplanted into Clevos or GT73VR's or GT75VR's or GT75 Titans because the GPU position is inverted and the existing 1080 heatsinks will not fit, and VRM cooling would be impossible also.
3) the 1070's MIGHT work if the card format is the same as the 16L13/GT73VR, but no one yet as far as I know, has tested FORCE flashing a Gsync Bios into a non gsync card with a hardware programmer (GT83VR 1070's are non gsync).

If the 1080 cards could be transplanted, then it would make sense to buy the laptop, put the 1080 in your GT73VR (needs 1080 heatsink and VRMheatink) or Clevo (requires modding), TDP mod the hell out of it, then sell the second card+ the rest of the laptop as a single card system, and get a 1080 upgrade for extremely cheap

So I guess it's 1180 + i9 9900K next on my chopping block.

 

hello !!

there are two listings on ebay :

one for the ms16l1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-MS16L1...1+gtx+1080&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

and this one for the gt83vr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GTX...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648

as far as i can see only difference is the sli connector , but i dont know maybe im wrong?

 

yes you're right. They are "identical" except that and the lack of gsync on the 83 and no SLI connector on the LGA version, so most likely they would at least boot at stock at least, whether or not brightness controls would work however...

Big question is, can a gsync vbios be force flashed with a HW programmer (not NVflash) and work ? I know if you flash a gsync vbios on the non gsync 1070 with nvflash, you get a black screen or some other problem, as the PCI ID is different. But obviously no one knows if bypassing NVflash with a 1.8v adapter + Skypro programmer/Pomona 5250 clip will work. And at those prices well...no one will find out.

The GT73VR version has an intentionally flipped GPU position to make sure those cards are fully incompatible.

 

i got the one of the gt83vr listing , i hope it works with the ms16l3 , i dont care about g-sync tbh but it will suck if the brightness doesnt work :/

 

btw how you modded your gtx 1070 to match desktop? i thought the 2040 cuda cores compensate the lack of clock speeds of the desktop version making both basically the same at stock speeds

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

 

tanx for the info !!

 

Any update on your purchase, I think it's a scam, but for your sake hope it is real.

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Wasn't a scam, but because a US VAR falsely reported it as "fraudulent", ebay/paypal forced the seller to refund every single buyer. The seller wasn't even given the opportunity to ship a single package. Seller was labeled guilty without any proof and didn't even do anything wrong. I know the VAR who false flagged the post and I'll be sure they don't get my business solely because they are trying to force me to buy domestically at 5X the price. Greed monsters are just going to lose money in the long haul LOL.


I did a lot of digging and found a distributor for cheap gt83vr models. Once I get a hold of them, i'm going to put them on the market for sale at extremely cheap prices simply to undercut the VAR who tried to screw up an opportunity for me to get a cheap laptop.

 

I hope you can, I made inquiry w seller and the story was just odd w basis of PayPal limiting his account. Now what's interesting is there are no comments in this thread from resellers about the low price and the listing that has since been removed. It was a great deal and even alibaba.com has some killer prices but I have chose to wait for 9900 series and 1100gtx based gpu

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I thought about waiting for the 9900k as well but there isn't a single processor over 3.2ghz in a 2017-2018 gaming laptop that goes up to 100% usage(when playing) @ stock clocks when playing any game at all on max settings @ 100hz provided it has a good gpu. Even when playing crysis 3 or starwars battlefront 2 @ maximum settings @ 100hz with 2 external monitors cluttered with a movie playing/chrome tabs my usage isn't higher than 80%. Even when I stream & play my CPU usage still has a way to go. A better processor literally does nothing for me but burn a hole in my pocket. I have no reason to shell out money for anything new since nothing I do has a demand for it. I'm only buying the cheap gt83 to upgrade my gpus from 1070s to 1080s and because it's cheap. I don't even need this stuff. 9900k sounds cool but it's only necessary if you are doing hardcore video editing which is an extremely small portion of the market(most of those guys use a desktop anyway). It won't make games run any better than an i7-6820hk @ 3.4-3.6ghz as there is not a single title in existence that will bottleneck the CPU.

Once I realized that CPU never even comes close to 100%(today), I realized that overclocking these newer processors for gaming is absolutely pointless. It's nothing but excessive energy being spent and excessive wear on the processor. This in turn degrades your processor faster lowering the lifecycle of your equipment forcing you to buy on a more frequent basis. Now if I could use the extra juice from overclocking, I would, but I realized overclocking these new laptops when all I do is stream/game is absolutely pointless and provides absolutely no performance benefit that can be utilized. This pretty much goes for every single modern gaming laptop. They are all either limited by a combination of the GPU or the refresh rate of the monitor. Either you are producing more frames than you can see or or monitor's refresh rate is higher than what your GPU can handle(the case for all the new razer 15.6" model-144mhz screen with nvidia 1070max-q but you'll never see 144 fps @ max settings in games like crysis 3 or mass effect andromeda or even world of warcraft(BFA) with a single 1070 max q @ 1080p. It's one of those laptops that is "middle of the road" that doesn't get to display it's full potential simply because it's limited by it's GPU. )

I also realized that on any laptop, *when overclocked* (aside from the asus watercooling janky laptop), you can never actually utilize 100% of the CPU while doing real world tasks that require both **CPU&GPU** usage simultaneous such as gaming for more than a couple minutes due to heat constraints. Even with liquid metal and a laptop cooling pad, you'll never be able to use all the power since the heat is too much.

 

PayPal will limit accounts (basically making you wait to transfer the funds) until the buyer(s) leave feedback and/or wait a period of time because the activity was suspicious.

That is some killer pricing on Alibaba, but if you check feedback from buyers who have used alibaba:

https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/alibaba.com

https://www.bbb.org/losangelessilic...-santa-clara-ca-230194/reviews-and-complaints

You will see it is hit or miss or miss some more.

Finally,

@gt83vr6reHelp if you want to go ahead and obtain units from an actual supplier and show proof of delivery, I look forward to it.

 

I thought about waiting for the 9900k as well but there isn't a single processor over 3.2ghz in a 2017-2018 gaming laptop that goes up to 100% usage(when playing) @ stock clocks when playing any game at all on max settings @ 100hz provided it has a good gpu. Even when playing crysis 3 or starwars battlefront 2 @ maximum settings @ 100hz with 2 external monitors cluttered with a movie playing/chrome tabs my usage isn't higher than 80%. Even when I stream & play my CPU usage still has a way to go. A better processor literally does nothing for me but burn a hole in my pocket. I have no reason to shell out money for anything new since nothing I do has a demand for it. I'm only buying the cheap gt83 to upgrade my gpus from 1070s to 1080s and because it's cheap. I don't even need this stuff. 9900k sounds cool but it's only necessary if you are doing hardcore video editing which is an extremely small portion of the market. It won't make games run any better than an i7-6820hk @ 3.4-3.6ghz as there is not a single title in existence that will bottleneck the CPU.

I'm in talks currently with a couple distributors. I certainly won't have any issue selling them here or on ebay while undercutting the US VARs that screwed me out of a cheap laptop while providing full transparency. I'm literally just waiting for the distributors to accept paypal as a method of payment.

That's the thing, the US VAR who reported the seller for fraud knows that's exactly how paypal operates. All they had to do was make a purchase and leave negative feedback before the seller even had the opportunity to ship and they locked him out of paypal screwing him entirely out of business. The VAR will get whats coming to them, they always do. Whether it's a huge loss of clientele, a bunch of fake buyers being sent their way to waste their time over and over, chargebacks, returns to force them to re-sell the item at an open box discount to make them lose money or their laptops conveniently always arriving to a buyer with a shattered screen and the vendor being forced to eat the cost/waste their time, they will face consequences for falsely accusing a seller of fraud and for screwing me out of a cheap laptop in a narcissistic effort to control where I spend my money.

 

I agree will stay far away, until I see proof of someone locking down some dirt cheap offerings!

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@gt83vr6reHelp How goes the unit acquisition?

Even after the cleanup on eBay, more negative feedbacks (which I'm sure ebay will clean up post scam):

 

The seller voluntarily refunded me. Was a bit dissapointing ><

 

thanks for the info !!

 

@gt83vr6reHelp

You said last week you were talking to some suppliers direct about getting the low cost units. How's that going?

 

Distributor wants to be paid via western union, money gram or bank transfer. I don't use any of those ;/. None of them offer buyer protection either.

 

They are the most scammy methods going - be extremely cautious.

 

You have no protection using these payment methods.

 

Not only that - I can't see a legit wholesaler selling these machines for 1k USD? it seems stupid cheap with GTX 1080's , that's surely a scam