MSI GT75 is now available for purchase in most reseller sites

For the RGB keyboard I think it's overpriced...

Not painted black to save money, but risk oxidation!

The card reader, I wonder if the problem is with drivers or is the hardware really inferior...

Glad I just sold my GT73 425 last week lol...

 

Hello, I'm confused about buying one of these devices, which one is worth

MSI GT75 17.3 4K 7820 GTX1080

ASUS G701VIK 17.3 4K 7820 GTX1080

Acer Predator 17X 17.3 4K 7820 GTX1080

So those who have experienced any of these best in terms of 4k color, sound, cooling and performance setups?

Thanks in advance.

 

None of them are worth your money.

a single GTX 1080 (in a laptop) will struggle with 4K in most graphically intensive games and lowering the graphical settings just to get a stable FPS then 4K is useless, if you get 4K with GTX 1080 now you will not have future proofing, the 7820HK is slightly faster than 6820HK but produces more heat, ASUS and ACER are some of the worst laptop manufacturers.

Wait until next year for the 2nd gen. it will be 4K ready, plus coffee lake coming out in a few months, you will have it all by next year. It will be worth the wait.

 

thank you dud for you kindness help and support, but why isn't worth MSI GT75 4K GTX1080?? could you please explain more.. Cheers.

 

Within the context of what's available, all of them have their value.

I think what he is saying in regards to your desire for a 4k display is that the performance is still not there yet, even with a full single desktop 1080 / 1080ti GPU there are games that won't run fast enough (FPS under 60 FPS), so in a laptop a 4k display for gaming isn't a good fit.

There are many games that will run @4k with a laptop 1080 and if you reduce the quality and processing options in the game far enough, many more can run. But, if you want 4k quality then reducing the in game quality to get enough FPS won't really make sense.

Even a 1080p 120hz display isn't a great fit in a laptop, the higher the FPS requirement, doubling from 60hz/FPS to 120hz/FPS "doubles" (more or less) the CPU / GPU load increasing the heat and therefore the fan noise, so that's not a great upgrade for all games either.

Waiting is always a wise choice, as there are often new faster GPU's and CPU's down the road, but effectively since that is always true, you'll never get anything, and just keep waiting.

Get what you want now, make it work for your needs, enjoy gaming now, and wait later is my recommendation

 

This ^

 

woow, really I appreciated your comments.. all the best dud.

 

Sorry but this part is nonsense. 1080p/120Hz is the greatest balance available to our laptops right now.

MSI should even offer 1440p/120Hz in the GTX 1080 machines.

 

It's not nonsense it's true. 120FPS takes a huge amount of resources to support, and in a laptop that ends up causing a lot of heat generation that takes loud fans to expel.

You have to wear headphones to enjoy it, and while there's nothing wrong with that it's not optimal.

AAA games at Ultra trying to reach 120 FPS on a 1080 takes a lot of CPU / GPU resources:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Laptop.171212.0.html

Many games @ 1080 Ultra are well under or just making it to 120 FPS. And, how many more won't make it to 120 FPS @ 1440p?

How many of your games are running at 120 FPS and over, and how many do you need to wear headphones to drown out the fan noise so you can enjoy the game?

If it's too high of a load, too much heat, too much fan noise, drop it down under 120 FPS.

For me a really good IPS display beats a fast TN, especially if the IPS display OC's to 100hz. More games can reach that, and still some don't.

 

until you change your Avatar, I will only answer you, go for the MSI :d

No seriously, go with the MSI now

 

You're generalizing, which is my gripe. What specific laptop are you saying runs super loud at 120fps? The GT73 doesn't, therefore I doubt the GT75 will.

High refresh rate + G-Sync is the best of both worlds.

I do agree that really good IPS win over TN, but the problem is that no one is making really good IPS displays, for laptops. We don't even have low response time 60Hz IPS yet.

 

I'm generalizing to 120 FPS on a laptop GTX 1080 @ 1080p, and loud is subjective of course, but it's 2x the load of 60 FPS, which depending on the game is 100% CPU load or slightly less and higher frame rates tax the CPU as well putting load on it.

It's a factor that needs to be realized, there is a trade-off for the wonders of 120 FPS, it takes more power and therefore cooling.

There may be people out there that don't realize this, not that you are one of them, but I have had people comment on the noise.

Similarly when G-sync came out new owners marveled at the low temps and quiet operation, not realizing it was because games that were previously running at 100% GPU with unlimited FPS were now running at 60 FPS and the load on the CPU and GPU were much lower - giving the low temps and lower fan noise.

There are people that complain about fan noise because they don't know they can control the CPU / GPU load and limit frame rate.

If you know these things you can tune accordingly for your desired usage. Set games to limit at the FPS with the load / power / cooling / noise level you can enjoy, 60 FPS to 120 FPS - maybe even a bit more if you can overclock the display panel higher than 120hz, or much less if you like it cool and quiet.

I'm not saying the 120 FPS display is bad, but for most people it's not needed and may encourage them to run their laptops with a much heavier load and noise levels.

If you play games where high framerate is needed, and a 120 FPS display makes a noticeable improvement then that's different

 

While I normally agree with @hmscott on a majority of his posts, I vehemently disagree with him on not needing 120hz displays. People needed and wanted 120hz displays even when desktop videocards were SLOWER than our current laptop Pascal cards, and yet they did just fine with them. Not everyone plays only triple A games on Ultra details, and this is something you need to keep in mind. In addition, dealing with 60hz displays without Gsync just leads to 16.7ms of extra input lag if you enable vsync to remove screen tearing (as if laptops didn't have enough cancer firmware to limit us to begin with), and besides the fact that no desktop videocard or monitor has enough bandwidth to push 4k @ 120hz yet (like that prototype Dell OLED monitor supported with multiple inputs, which was then stripped for the production "test" retail ( http://www.overclock.net/t/1627849/oled-4k-30-60-hz-dell-up3017q/670 ) units that were downscaled to 4k@60hz OLED, and then Dell discontinued production), pushing 120 fps at 120hz @ 1080p is far easier than 60 fps @ 60hz @ 4k.

Please keep in mind that going from 1920x1080 (1080p) to 2560x1440 (QHD) is a 77% increase in pixel fill rate required to keep the same FPS, if you are fillrate limited (77% more pixels), but 1080p to 4k is actually the equivalent of what was known as 4x supersampling. That requires 4x the amount of pixel processing power. That's why 4k on a laptop is complete silly unless you are actually doing WORK on the laptop, or content creation, not games. It's hard enough on a desktop at the moment (people who had the 4k Dell OLED would have to run at lower than 4k to get decent framerates on single video cards).

I don't know if laptops support Nvidia DSR (all desktop cards do), but if they do, or if you can use another third party program to create DSR resolutions, you can create a 3840x2160 resolution with DSR, on a 1080p panel, and then watch the framerates plummet. If not, you can force 4x supersampling AA, but i don't know how to do this in current games that ignore NVCP AA settings.

So I think 1080p @ 120 fps is quite nice and a required sweet spot for gamers right now. Now 1440p on the other hand, then I can see @hmscott 's point, especially with castrated Max Q chips and pascal boards limited by TDP restrictions that desktop cards have more freedom to work around. And only the 1070 pascal cards can increase TDP safely to desktop levels (as the MXM slot is designed to support 150W), but modding a 1080 card for more than 200W (e.g. desktop 215W-258W) even with the auxiliary power connector on models that use more than 150W), can be dangerous.

Also on gsync boards, if you can't get 120 fps @ 120hz, you can still enable gsync even if you're only getting 85-90 fps, and it will look better than a 60hz panel with gsync, because since the PANEL is refreshing at a higher refresh rate, pixel clarity from pixel persistence will increase at higher fps, so more is always better.

Yes heat is a concern, but there's always repasting...

 

Again, I'm not saying they are bad, I am saying they have a power and thermal price, 60 FPS G-sync vs 120 FPS G-sync, it's noticeable

1440p 120 FPS G-sync is even more noticeable.

You don't need to use Vsync, you can use a frame limiter like RTSS.

IDK, I don't see the need in many games for the faster frame rate. I'm not saying it's not noticeable, I'm saying it's not required for enjoyable game play in many games (most?).

But, to each their own, I'm not warning off people like I do for 4k displays - still a problem for scaling and the same power and thermal considerations, not to mention the much higher power requirement in battery mode.

If you like it, that's awesome, I don't feel the need for it over the need for an enjoyable display to look at for hours at a time. It's a trade off.

That's why I would want an IPS internal display with options for high framerate gaming on external monitors.

It's a preference to learn for yourself by using a variety of displays at different frame rates over time.

Try playing around and limiting frames to 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 120 FPS, or a larger step to save time. Monitor the sound, temperatures, and your enjoyment level. Some games that require high FPS will stand out, others there won't be a helpful difference.

Rather than run full out at 120 FPS, dial it back to the frame rate you need in each game. It's another level of tuning.

 

ASUS have good heatsink tolerance for the G701VI(kbl)

ACER is interesting. Although I have doubt about the cooling system, I want to see the performance of the aeroblade fan. Plus it has a third system fan which pushes air through the laptop to cool the VRM and other power delivery module.

I can see it to be a problem with laptops that have a high TDP GPU such as the GT8* or the GT** series from MSi.
Ex: A 150w+ MSi 1070 will have a higher average power draw on 120hz game compared to 60hz.

But with low TDP GPU [1070 115-130w] like Alienware, HP, ASUS(?), ACER(?) etc etc... The power limit increase would be negligible since those laptops already hit the TDP limit frequently enough on 60hz games...

 

I understand your thinking on this, but what you are missing is that with the low TDP GPU's they won't be able to perform at as high an FPS given their limits, so they won't even get as close to 120 FPS as the high TDP GPU's.

It all comes down to a certain power / cooling requirement that doubles from 60 FPS to 120 FPS, you can't get around it. Will some laptops cool better? Yes, of course, but they could cool even better with 1/2 the FPS load.

I am pointing this out as a simple and often missed cause of louder operation and higher thermals.

It's the same as if these were 60 FPS display laptops and were running without G-sync or V-sync, and didn't have a framerate limiter enabled, they would be tossing away frames and generating heat, either getting too hot temperature's or too loud cooling.

In this case we would recommend either enabling v-sync or installing RTSS to limit frame rate to refresh rate to reduce the load on the CPU / GPU to reduce temps and quiet the fans.

Now, when jumping to 120 FPS in a laptop that was running 60 FPS, you are going to run hotter than when the frame limit was 60 FPS.

Those same laptops that we recommended reducing FPS to reduce thermal output are now using 60 extra FPS above 60hz to feed a 120hz display, and are generating that same extra thermal energy we were recommending to avoid at 60hz/60FPS with RTSS / Frame limiter.

It's as simple as that. Not saying 120 FPS screens are bad, except for the TN thing, just saying they are running with a much higher load than when they were running 60 FPS.

 

hhhh. . to be honest, I love products msi.. especially laptops. but their prices are very expensive..

 

Like ASUS, MSi laptops tend to work out of the box with stock settings with hardly any need for user intervention.

*cough*alienware*cough*

 

And you get what you paid for and unlike other brands such as Razer or Alienware you pay more for less.

100Hz or higher refresh rate is a godsend, can't go back to 60Hz after experiencing a 100Hz monitor.

 

I'm not sure you meant to say it like I read it.

Are you saying that unlike the overpriced Razer and Alienware you pay less for more with Asus and MSI? Because that's how it's been for a long time.

The GT75 first shipping units are overladen with RAM and storage, and the follow on units will be configured more typically - and much cheaper.

I wouldn't judge MSI for their attempt at getting sales with higher margin's from eager early adopters.

MSI doesn't have the ala cart build's like Dell / Alienware, but if you configure them the same the Alienware has been more expensive every time I've checked in the past - I haven't compared the GT75 with the AW 17 R4, give it a shot and let us know

IDK if that's strictly true, but I get that you and I see a difference between 100hz and 60hz - as well as 70hz vs 60hz, etc.

I've had 100hz+ for a number of years, and still manage to successfully use 60hz as well.

Alhough I can "see a difference" 60hz doesn't cause me any negative effects on usage, so I sure can't say I *can't* go back.

A really good IPS screen wins over a really good TN screen, even a 120hz one for me. It's more about the fidelity of color and quality of image than response time, at least for me.

 

MSI is a bang for the buck among BGA laptops, you get the specs and performance that you paid for, if you find that this is not true then I don't know what other BGA laptops out there that offers the same specs and performance but cheaper than MSI.

a 100Hz+ and more FPS offers an overall better gaming experience, going back to 60Hz is choppy and jittery. If you're into first person shooter a high refresh rate and high FPS is very beneficial.

We can make a poll out of this and see which most people prefer...120Hz TN or 60Hz IPS.

 

Wonder how that will divide among users. Personally, wider angles and better color are instantly forgotten about in the face of higher refresh. I'd like both ideally though.

 

I honestly prefer 120hz. I don't mind a good 60hz screen, and I enjoyed my GT80 back when it was a regular PLS 60hz screen, but honestly I enjoy even using regular windows with my 120hz screen.

 

In my case, if I were using a built-in screen all the time, and based on my experience with the GT73, I'd go for the 120Hz option. When properly calibrated, that panel is surprisingly good for a TN. But for my current usage scenario, the only time I'm using the 16L13's screen is for basic work and content consumption - almost never for gaming. In that case, the 1080p/60 IPS panel works just fine, even better since it's part of the standard configuration and that I wouldn't get my money back on either of the upgrade options at resale. Heck, I'm so impressed with the quality of the panel in my unit that I'm thinking of changing out my Dell S2716DG (also a very good TN once calibrated) for a similarly sized IPS G-Sync monitor.

 

Once you have enjoyed the bliss of the high refresh rate screens, you can't go back. I don't care if you can overclock that display or not, the high refresh rate COUPLED with a low response time is what is needed and as @ryzeki has pointed out it makes even doing day to day tasks in Windows a great experience.

 

I've had a chance to play with a few and they've moved way up my buy list.

 

This new screen ASUS has is a 1080p 144Hz IPS w/ G-Sync, and they are claiming a 7ms (grey-to-grey) response rate.

Serious game changer if that ends up being true.

 

144hz IPS 1080p?
Who's making this thing?
There aren't even any desktop 1080p 144hz IPS monitors. They're all either 60hz or 1440p 144hz.
If it's not a backlight bleed party, good news.

The 7ms g2g response time has to be that value, because these screens don't have overdrive. It's overdrive that gives the 1-2ms gtg ratings you always hear about.

 

Alienware with a 1080P 144Hz IPS / G-Sync screen? what are you smokin' brah?

 

Asus you mean?

 

Yeah I totally meant to type ASUS. Edited.

 

Wonder who the panel maker is. As odd as it looks, 1080p 144Hz makes sense for a laptop. While I imagine a 2560x1440 would be a little better looking, at 17" it's not as big a deal and the refresh + extra frames since it's FHD sound like a win to me.

 

I sent an email to MSI asking for pricing information on trading in my GT80 Titan for this model. Curious to see what I get back in reply or if it is even an option. I was asking specifically about the GTX 1080 version with 120hz 3ms display (MSI GT75VR Titan Pro-202).

The GT75 finally meets my needs with its mechanical keyboard.

Is it true that none of these are g-sync yet? Some websites show it has g-sync and some don't. Example: HIDEvolution lists this with g--sync, and excaliber PC doesn't.

 

Yes, all MSI GT models in the US will support G-Sync. It can be enabled in the BIOS.

 

are you sure, what about others like excaliber PC and xoticpc..? Regards.

 

I am sure any MSI GT series that you buy from HIDevolution can have G-Sync enabled in the BIOS.

I am not sure why you would ask me about Xoticpc or ExcaliberPC -

 

because you said "all MSI GT models in the US will support G-Sync" that's why I was asking.. :

 

So...the point is, ask them, not me

 

Ok I will .. cheers

 

Is MSI offering you GT75 for trade-in?, I'd heard GT73 / GT83 was now the only option. It would be good news to hear that GT75's had made it to the trade-in list

 

I have not heard back yet. I submitted an inquiry to Donald for pricing and am considering just buying the GT75 outright, as well. I would prefer the trade though.

 

You did receive my reply though...correct?

 

I did. Thank you.

 

Just purchased my MSI GT75VR 7RF (Intel i7-7820HK, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD + 512GB SSD, GTX1080) instead of the Alienware 17R4. $5899 SGD

 

Gratz !
When you receive it, please drop a screenshot of hwinfo which is showing details of the screen

 

Just received a couple of photos from my friend who will be sending it over from SG to AU.

I’m quite stoked that the pipes are gold and not black. It will be arriving in a week or so and I'll run some benchmarks including a check on whether the screen is 3 or 5ms.

Sorry about the photos of the underside, had to crop the serial number.




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Sean, just take a full photo then use windows paint to cross out the serial number. That works and looks MUCH better than cropping.

 

I will when it arrives. Just have to be patient! I am trying very hard to be patient too. I can't wait.

 

wow! amazing! I wish I had your taptop