MSI GT73VR with Kaby Lake

Hi.
Someone can say when the laptops with kaby lake will came out?
Because there are some sellers showing the MSI GT73VR with kaby lake.
It seems that the laptops with kaby lake have the number 7, so is "MSI GT73VR 7RE" and "MSI GT73VR 7RF".
The cpu is an I7 7820HK, 2.9Ghz to 3.9Ghz with turbo boost.
But, the sellers dont have any information about the dates. I have seen another brand with this new cpu saying they will came out in the end of january.

http://www.tccomputerkh.com/product/notebook/msi/gt73vr-7rf-titan-pro-4k-p4404

 

Yes, it should be January with everything pointing at the cpus being officially debuted at CES and should make it into laptops quickly afterwards as it's just a swap for the manufactures.. Note that you won't be seeing much improvement with Kaby Lake as it's same die size and same arch, just faster clock rates (and some media block additions for 4k video). Expect 8-10% improvement over equivalent skylake, strictly due to the higher clock speed.

 

IPC seems to be the same though.

 

This is the real improvement listed in the specs:

Chipset Intel CM238 support super raid

No mention of Optane... yet

 

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If I recall correctly, Intel delayed optane significantly..... like late 2018 or 2019. Given the pace that SSD have been innovating at, who knows what things will look like by that time.

 

Kaby lake is just a higher clocked skylake, so it doesn't matter much on the CPU side. The real improvement is the chipset. But still it is not earth shattering, in my opinion

 

Yep, same Arch and same die will do that lol. The 8-10% performance increase will come directly from the 8-10% increase in clocks, however, that also means more power being used, though less than the same clocks in skylake thanks to manufacturing improvements... so technically you should get a bit more perf/watt... but it's going to be very minor.
With optimus (or no dGPU) you'll also get the updated media block with hardware acceleration aimed at 4k content, so that should help quite a bit when it comes to power used (and obviously increase in battery life in those scenarios).
All in all, it's a pretty minor improvement, but I guess better than none, especially since there's nothing else from Intel on the near horizon, with the next thing being coffee lake a year from now providing 6 cores, but still based on the same die and arch, while cannonlake goes to low end CPUs.

 

Doesn't seem to be enough actual improvement to justify waiting for Kaby Lake, and likely not enough price difference to justify hurrying up to buy a Skylake model. Overall Kaby Lake does not look to be a terribly important upgrade.

 

I suppose for mobile devices, intel should release a new "entry" level core i7 that is at least 3.4ghz or more in quad core. 6700HQ is too low, and 6820HK is in contrast too high. There is no middle ground.

 

I'd still opt for the 7820HK or whatever kaby is releasing on laptop with unlocked multiplier IF it has a better bin and better overclock potential compared to a 6820HK'

Currently the general limit of 6820HK is around 4 for normal usage, 4.2-4.3 is the voltage wall. If Kaby would let me do 4.5 on normal usage I'd so definitely opt for that.

 

Agreed, though only time will tell as to how well the 7820HK OCs. Main reason I haven't bought a laptop in the last 1-2 months is to wait till January for the Kaby Lake refresh. I'm hopeful manufacturers will have the laptops ready quickly since it should be an easy swap since the socket (and everything else) is the same, and since (stock) benchmarks of 7820HK (and 7700HQ) have been out since October.

 

the HQ can be thrown out of the window

also the Hx series is soldered cpu

 

If anything can handle the heat it would be the GT73VR.

 

Defenestration voids your warranty.

 

What if its accidental?!

 

Hope you registered that accidental coverage?

 

The issue isn't so much about heat, 6820HK is so badly binned compared to 6700K so it needs much more voltage to sustain 4GHz+.

The chip has a voltage limitation and throttling protection in place that doesn't allow it to consume 1.4 or higher when operating, you can somehow target a lower frequency by setting the multipliers higher during an OC run so it throttles to your target your frequency (eg: 47 targeting 44) but you'll need to switch back to stock profile immediately after bench finish so you don't crash by having CPU bust out to 4.7 with low loads and BSOD leading to a loss of score (HWBot needs screenshot validation).

Oh yeah, MSi is 2 year warranty and how long for accidental when you register?

 

Except that MS is claiming that Windows 8/7 won't be supported on Kaby Lake, so that's a pretty big reason to stay with Skylake if you want to avoid Windows 10.

 

Intel To Introduce New 3D NAND Based SSDs in 2017 – Complete Storage Roadmap for 2017 Leaked, Including Optane SSDs
By Usman Pirzada
Posted Dec 6, 2016
http://wccftech.com/intel-storage-roadmap-2017-optane-nand/

" First Quarter 2017

• For February and March 2017, Intel’s DC P4500/P4600/P4600 LP/P4500 LP will enter mass production and their end-of-life-cycle (EOL) is set for the first quarter of 2019.

Second Quarter 2017

• Intel will add DC S4600/S4500-series and the entry-level DC S3110-series to its SATA-based SSD product line in the second quarter of next year.

Third Quarter 2017

• For the consumer market, following the release of the 600p in September 2016, the CPU giant will release a BGA-version 600p and SATA-based 545s in the third quarter of 2017
• For its PCI Express-based solid state drive (SSD) product line, following the releases of its DC D3700 and D3600-series NVMe SSDs in 2016, Intel will add a top-end series with a lot more storage space in the third quarter of 2017, featuring a 2.5-inch size, U.2 interface and storage options of 2TB, 4TB and 8TB.
• For the embedded market, Intel has prepared the 5430S-series for April 2017 and an M.2 form factor-based version of the 5430S for July 2017.

Fourth Quarter 2017

• For the professional market, Intel will launch PCIe/NVMe-based Pro 7600P and SATA-based Pro 5450s in the fourth quarter.
• In the third quarter, Intel will release the 20nm MLC-based E 6500p, and existing E 5400s/5410-series will both enter EOL in the first quarter of 2018, while the E 6000p will stop supply in the third quarter of 2018."

Lots more information in that article

 

To be honest, 7 has so many issues on Skylake it might not make much of a difference.

 

Usually a year.

 

Thanks

 

Aren't all those NAND based storage/SSDs? I don't think there's even been a single public demo of optane, nor any leaks of it. Furthermore, the numbers quoted for Optane in that article, once it does come out, are on par with the latest already available from Samsung, which isn't a good sign for a technology that isn't even released yet, unless they think they're going to be able to go after the market with far lower prices compared to what's currently out there. Not to mention that we don't know how sustainable those performance numbers will be (many SSDs cannot sustain their peak/posted numbers because controller thermal throttles).

I'll also mention that current SSDs are hitting over 3GB/s, and PCIe3 x4 has a max bandwidth of 4GB/s, so unless you're on desktop where you can use a full x8 or x16 slot, you have no means of leveraging the faster throughput. And since we just got PCIe3 x4 on laptops, I'm not sure how long before anything faster will be made available.

I do hope that Intel prices its Optane very aggressivly

 

Another brand release official news about this new cpu.
In Europre, some sallers are showing the new Acer predator with the new I7 7820HK.
Where are the info:
I7 7820Hk, 2.9Ghz to 3.9Ghz with Turbo.
4 processors, 8 threads
Chipset: Mobile Intel PCH Chipset HM175

 

Yeah, as I thought, stock clocks are useless. We will see how good and far it can be clocked though, thanks to its unlocked nature. The chipset on the acer must be wrong? that's the midrange chipset, I would hope Acer predator would pack the CM238.

 

Intel Demonstrates 3D XPoint Optane SSD At Computex - June 2016
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-3d-xpoint-kaby-lake,31966.html

3D XPoint: A Guide To The Future Of Storage-Class Memory - November 2016
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-xpoint-guide,4747.html

 

Yep, seen those, and it's all Intel chartware. No one has been given one of these and leaked their own benchmarks. Even their charts that show "10X performance" are comparing it to a drive that was released over 2 years ago, which is why it's hard to take some of that 'chart marketing' seriously. If compared with today's SSDs, there isn't any meaningful benefit in bandwidth, nor IOPS at the higher queue depths.
With that said, at lower queue depths, Optane does seem to hold it's own, blowing away the competition; latency also seems to be improved. This is great news for most users reading/writing small files (though not sure if there will be any performance gain when reading/writing large files, like VMs and system images).
What's worrisome is that the competition is out now, and constantly improving, while Optane is still nowhere to be seen, and I doubt it will be available to the general/enthusiast market for another ~year, and by then who knows what the competition will have.

I'll add this excerpt from your link:
"We know that 3D XPoint is fast, but exactly how fast is up for debate. Intel has demonstrated working 3D XPoint on several occasions, but the demonstrations do not reveal the actual hard performance data, endurance metrics or pricing information (which are the key considerations that will dictate its success). Intel also clearly designs the presentations to obfuscate the underlying performance characteristics, such as using it as a backup device over a Thunderbolt 3 connection (a performance bottleneck). The Computex demo was more of the same..."

 

INTEL’S SECRET 7TH-GENERATION DESKTOP CPU LINEUP LEAKS AHEAD OF CES 2017
Kevin Parrish — December 15, 2016 2:10 PM
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-seventh-generation-kaby-lake-desktop-cpu-lineup-leaked/

" The news stems from a recent leak that provided those dates along with the entire list of seventh-generation desktop processors that will be announced on January 5. They will be accompanied by the new Intel 200 Series chipsets for motherboards that will support the new processors. The list of leaked processors is rather long, consisting of 16 CPUs that includes the Xeon E3-1205 v6, three Core i7 chips, seven Core i5 models, two Core i3 units, and three Pentium processors.

Here are the first eight on the leaked lineup:"

 

I wouldn't roll over in bed for Kaby Lake, when 6 core mobile CPUs are coming with Cannonlake.

 

Shhhh, quiet, we'll wake you again in April 2018 when the 6 core Coffee Lake and Series 300 Cannon Lake is scheduled to release

14nm Coffee Lake platform, Intel 8th generation Core processor 2018 debut in the first quarter
https://benchlife.info/intel-coffee-lake-with-14nm-process-will-launch-2018-11192016/

"Intel Kaby Lake, will be replaced by Coffee Lake, is expected in 2018.

In January 2017, Intel will release the Kaby Lake-S and Kaby Lake H for desktop and performance laptops, and after that, the process will remain at 14nm, but the product code will change to Coffee Lake.

Intel 300 Series chips, codenamed Cannon Lake (CNL PCH-H), will feature Coffee Lake S and Coffee Lake H platforms.

As far as we know, Coffee Lake S and Coffee Lake H will remain in the 14nm process, and not as mentioned earlier, in 2017 to enter the 10nm process, as a reason, we can not get further information.

From the configuration profile, we can see that Coffee Lake will usher in the first mainstream platform of the six-core processor, will also be relegated to high-end laptops and desktops, this upgrade may be 2018 and Zen + platform Higher under the first step.

In addition, the Coffee Lake platform U series will also launch 4 +3 e version of the processor. The so-called 4 +3 e quad-core with Intel Iris Pro Graphics with 128MB eDRAM, as Coffee Lake S and Coffee Lake H is with Intel HD Graphics. Basically, Coffee Lake's Intel HD Graphics can be seen as an extension of the Kaby Lake architecture, with Gen9.5 generation, so do not expect too much.

Coffee Lake S will be in February 2018 or so, and Coffee Lake H is later, is expected in April 2018; as 4 +3 e of the Coffee Lake U is around 2018 March."