MSI GT727/ DDR3-1066 support/ HD4850

Just thought you guys would like to know....

http://asia.msi.com.tw/index.php?fu...no=135&cat2_no=271&cat3_no=&prod_no=1712#menu

Apparently, the main difference between MSI GT725 and the GT727 is its DDR3-1066 RAM support. And a 16:10 aspect ratio screen. (Probably 1920x1200)

Seems like the "higher end" variant of the GT725. I predict this thing will be given a higher clocked processor by default as well, instead of a P9500; who knows?

Still only one HDD slot though.
Still no sign of HD4870 - that'll be neat.

 

this is pretty awesome

 

Yup. Whoever wants the "updated version" of the GT725, this is it.

 

Speaking of the Mobility 4870, this ties in with my other posts, but here's a very close estimate (Running at 625/800, GDDR3), CPU Affinity dual core @ 2.49 GHz.

http://pastebin.ca/1293776

If the Mobility 4870 ships with GDDR5 though, it'll be faster than a desktop 4850.

 

Any idea what cpu will be available for the GT 727?
Hopefully a X9100 or even a Quad-Core, that would be awesome.

 

Wow. Now it looks like I will have to wait even longer I was set on the 725, but the ddr3 trumps the 725 for me. I will go ahead and ask the question... Anyone know the expected release date for the gt727?

Quote directly from MSI's website:
"17 “ LCD display provides a grand viewing experience for the ultimate viewing pleasure. With the high resolution of 1920x1200, and the perfect length and width ration of 16:10 for the screen, in addition also being capable of displaying DVD caliber images for your gaming and viewing pleasures. Enjoy the thrill of feeling like being right there in the midst of the action."

So... the Screen is definitely going to be 16:10, 1920x1200, BUT, they state the exact same thing about the gt725. So the screen is the same acording to the MSI's site. Maybe it will be LED!

One last thing is that MSI states that both lappys will have the PM45 express chipset.

 

Why bother waiting. There are no significant differences. DDR3 memory is worse than DDR2 memory at this point due to higher cost and no increase in performance or anything.

 

One of your points is correct. It is more expensive... There is, however, a performance increase in power consumption and speed.

With that 17" screen suckin' down my battery, I'll take every advantage I can to prolong "off wall usage".

 

anyone knows how much of an improvement will the ddr 3 give over the ddr 2 memory ???

anyone ???




Thanks


Funky Falling Cat Spangky - Keeps Falling Along ...

 

2-3%, at best. The only real benefit that DDR3 gives is lower power consumption (RAM operates at 1.5V instead of 1.8V).

 

wow ... so there is little point getting the setup with ddr 3 over the one with ddr 2 ???



Funky Falling Cat Spangky - Keeps Falling Along

 

Not entirely pointless if they choose to offer a substantially faster CPU with it.

 

If there is not a faster processor then is there a significant Difference between 725 and 727... because... I need to get a laptop, cuz my HP is kind of giving up on me...

And right now the Pre-orders for 725 with the following specs is available...

MSI GT725
Intel P9500 2.53Ghz 6MB L2 Cache
ATI Radeon HD 4850
320GB HDD
4GB DDR2 800mhz
BluRay for

for $1599.99

and second MSI GT725
Intel P8600 2.40Ghz
ATI Radeon HD 4850
320Gb HDD
4GB DDR2 800mhz
Regular DVD drive

for 1349.99.99

and MSI GT727 as per my belief... if it does not have any Extreme or Quad Core in there almost lays out the same with a difference of 4 speaker and a subwoofer plus, ddr3 ram... which is not that big of a difference, then right?? . Plus anyways X9100's and Quad are gonna be freakin 1000bucks more so for me... I am guessing 725 is good. What do u think?

And do u all know if there is a site that is taking orders for 725 and shipping them out if so please let me know. Thank You.

 

There is no doubt that the 725 is gonna be one hell of a machine. I have been waiting for over a year to find a new laptop. I am still rocking my Acer ferrari 4005wlmi, sold the 5005. I had almost bought a dell m6400 until I found out about the 725. Waiting another month or so is no big deal to me, but then again who knows, I may just pull the trigger on the 725 if the 727 is gonna take 6 months or more to be released.. only time will tell.

facethefear: The $1599 gt725 you listed also has the higher screen rez (1920x1200) than the $1349 one. Amazon and ZipZoomFly are the only ones I know of taking PRE-orders for these machines. No one is shipping them yet, that I am aware of.

 

gotcha...acer5005... even I am thinking the same thing that as soon as MSI GT725 the one for $1599 that I might pull the trigger on it... if the 727 are gonna take longer.. plus we also have the Turbo button for 15% on the fly overclocking any ways... so I dont think that p9500 or p8600 for a matter of fact would fall back...

and just out of curiosity... isnt Centrino 2 limited till P9500 or so... do Core 2 Extremes/Quad Cores or X9100 fall into Centrino 2 category? if they dont... then we know for a fact that 727 are not gonna have those CPU's..

 

I'm not sure about the new quad cores, but I had an X9100 running in my GX620 (Centrino 2). If not for heat issue, I would've kept it.

 

yeah i guess you are partly right.
Afaik centrino 2 is officialy limited till the T9600.
Well then lets hope that the GT 727 will be equipped with that one. Dont want the cpu to limit the HD 4850.

 

what will the size be compared to the asus g50?? i'm wondering because people say the g50 is the size of an 17in

 

But as far as I know... there are no Pre-made GX620 that u can get X9100 with... all are Core 2 Duo... so putting in an X9100 is a different thing. But yea... and then I think I am right..

See if Intel Centrino 2 is officially Limited till the Intel T9600 then... we can expect that T9600 is gonna be the highest CPU that you can get in the pre configured 727's because MSI website says 727's will be equipped with Intel Centrino 2 Technology...

This was the last paragraph from the MSI website which confirms the CPU limitations to Core 2 Duo.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271&prod_no=1712



The later aftermarket upgrade is out of the picture here... so we are not gonna see X9100's or Quad cores or Core 2 Extremes in 727 so this I guess resolves the question with the CPU expectations on 727's


Which then brings 727 much closer to 725, that means there is only couple differences...

1st is the DDR3 and DDR2 ram in 727 compared to 725 machine... and as TRF Inferno had mentioned earlier.. its only about a 2-3% performance gain with DDR3. Cuz DDR3 runs at 1.5v and DDR2 runs at 1.8v so a bit better battery life as well.

Then 2nd Different is of the speaker... 727 has 4 speaker and 1 subwoofer... and 725 has all 5 speakers...

And the 3rd is rest is the screen resolutions but both the 727 and 725 are going to have 1920X1200 and the 1680X1050 (if I am not mistaken)...

So I dont see a point in waiting for GT727... now I feel good... I am definitely pulling the trigger on GT725 as soon as it comes out the DDR3 dont matter to me that much compared to DDR2 right now.

 

Yes, I got it in from eBay and installed it myself. Even if there was an option for it, it's going to be at least a $600 option...not exactly a popular choice for the financially cautious buyer, now is it?

 

There is no "official limitation" for Centrino 2. What limits higher end processors from being used are the cooling system (and how much heat it can dissipate/TDP) and the motherboard manufacturer's BIOS restrictions. There are Centrino 2 systems that come with the QX9300 (i.e. OCZ Whitebook, Lenovo Thinkpad W700, Dell Precision M6400, etc.).

 

Very true, ichime. I just don't see anything beside the large 17" notebooks being able to adequately keep those processor cool enough. Putting it in an average 15" or even low-end 17" machines is asking for trouble.

 

Inferno what do you think of the ebay chip sellers? I know the taiwanese direct sellers have stuff that can be take-offs or slight factory discards, or who knows maybe they have legit ultra cheap contacts, but I've only ever bought bike parts like that.
I'm a little worried that the cpus could be prone to long term failure due to being an OCed lower rated model and rebranded, but that seems nubbish.

 

The only issue with the eBay CPUs (Especially the ones that are not even in retail yet, like the T9800) is that they're Engineering Samples. This is not necessary a bad thing, as the CPU is not crippled in anyway, but some people may have issues with that it's not 'official', and perhaps it is an early stepping that may have missed out on some last minute optimization that the retail steppings got. Beside the X9100, I also had a desktop E6600 engineering sample, and I never had a problem with it.

 

Take my word back for the limitation on the Centrino 2 Series, a bit of less knowledge on my part... but then also 727 are claimed to have only Core 2 Duo on MSI site right now. Anyways one thing is for sure... MSI is still cheap + quality... I own a GX620 and am happy with it...

Here is a little comparison I made amongst couple notebooks... including 725 and guessing on 727 feature from MSI site.

Hope it helps....

 

so nobody knows?

 

here is your answer...to size for g50

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=12427


Its a 15.4" and not a 17". Asus G71 are the 17 inch ones...

 

i know that, i just want the size compared to the 727 since the g50 is huge compared to some 15inches and some say it's as big as there 17inch

 

Cool, great to have access to the experience like this in the forums, since it'll end up quite a bit cheaper to get a better cpu.
Plus even if the chip is fake I'll be happy as long as my ignorance of that fact is complete heh

 

ok... here is the comparison.. for the ASUS G50 and MSI GT725 that should give u a fair idea...

Asus G50 14.8 x 10.4 x 1.6 inches (W x D x H)
MSI GT 725 15.5 x 10.9 x 1.3 inches

So very close to MSI's 17 inch.. on the side it is more thicker then MSI by .3 inches. Now I hope this is what you were asking for.

 

yes it was thanks. hmm now when i get some money i have to choose between this and the g50 since there so close but i dont also want a huge laptop(any larger than then the g50) anyway i'll worry about that when the time comes

 

The GT725 is going to come with vista 32bits or 64bits?

 

I think its only 32bit. Haven't seen and X64 OS on MSI yet... but I might be wrong.

 

Wow MSI is really starting to be competitive gateway owned the Cheap Powerful GPU notebook business but it look like MSI is here to stay.

 

I dont know if you guys already know this but, I just saw this on MSI USA website...

725 also happens to feature the 4speakers and a subwoofer just like 727... with the 1920x1200 resolution... so only difference right now is DDR2 and DDR3 ram...

 

Strange because acording to this MSI site they are different, just like you said before.

http://asia.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=searchresult&keywords=heat

Maybe it is another MSI misstype like the ddr2 vram specs on the gt725 for a while.

 

Yea I guess so, but anyways here is a link to US model on MSI

http://www.msimobile.com/DetailPage.aspx?model=GT725-075US

possibly a typo... or maybe not... haha... lets hope not...

 

I just dont understand, why can't a company make something near perfect sometimes. Take G50, its very large for a 15", fine, but also it has poor battery and annoying glossy styling, M860TU is expensive and lack Raid 0 as well, same can be said with the updated M570, imo they don't look great (just me); alienware M15/17x gets sickeningly expensive hysterically quick on the config page; dell's M1730 is bulky even for a DTR and is probably due for a refresh quite soon, not really outdated at all, just not using the latest spec...

If they only added second HDD with raid 0 option to 727, I'd be after this like peanut butter on jelly...

 

because everything is not perfect, no such thing as a perfect circle, and in life there is nothing perfect.

 

Guess your right; anyway, suppose if 4870 gets distributed in mass volume in march/april, then they will more or less compete with NV's 40nm 180m soon enought?

Whole 800 shading units makes into mobility pack is one thing, but the effectively getting performance gain is a whole another matter, so far all the benchmarks are done for 48x0 mobility using desktop CPU, I can't really say that's realistic reflection of real performance, especially with desktop cpu, the benchs ought to be some more impressive imo, consider there are more than twice the shading units, guess diminishing returns kick in. Shall see.

 

Well the Asus W90 should be out around march with the 4870 crossfire so tht is a good answer

Also ATI mobile GPU's benchmark wise seem more truer to the desktop version then the nvidia gpu's this is an exciting time to be a notebook gamer

 

Almost forgot, the overclock button pushes P9500 over 3Ghz here, not that much point getting the more power hungry T9600/T9800 if used on a desk, which is handy in CPU dependent tasks. So this laptop could end up being faster and better value than Clevo M570TU, without having to spend hefty premium on a CPU upgrade...

 

it's very strong!!!

 

Geez the GT727 is a BEAST.

 

i always thought that turbo button thing only worked with AMD processors that awesome though.

 

Nope, all the MSI Gaming series and the Wind has it.

 

the wind too?! Thats pretty nasty i kept hearing people talking about overclocking the processor to 2.1ghz is this what they meant when you use the turbo button?

 

Well, the Wind doesn't have a dedicated turbo button like its bigger siblings, but I don't think pressing Fn and F10 in Windows is too much to ask for. You can change the overclock rate in the BIOS from 8, 15 and 24%.

The catch for all MSI overclockable notebooks? You got to be plugged in via AC Adapter to do it; it will not allow you to overclock on battery power.

 

hmm it downclocks, that makes sense most notebooks do that as well on battery power

im just looking for a little notebook then i can pretty much do some light gaming on and be able to take it anywhere and watch youtube videos and such.

 

Affordable Laptops in Australia is advertising the GT727 with all the bells and whistles, due at the end of Feb for AU$2900 (about US$1900 give or take):

Affordable Laptops - MSI GT727 17 inch laptop

This is actually a pretty reasonable price for the Australian market compared to one US price for the GT725-075US, which has a suspiciously similar spec (Amazon - US$1600).

On a more interesting note, MSI seems to have removed the GT727 from its global websites. Could it be that now that it's had some great feedback from the first few UK buyers (keyboard irritations notwithstanding), they're happy to bump up the spec of the top-end GT725 to match the original GT727 specs, to take advantage of the strong support for the GT725?

I'm hoping they'll actually hold the GT727 model name back for a later release with a better keyboard.

Then again, they'd need to replace the keyboard on the GT627 while they were at it, so maybe we'll see a GT729 and GT629 before too long.