MSI GT725 now with Intel Centrino & ATI Radeon Mobility 4850

Just thought I would like to share my thoughts... Have a look:

http://asia.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271&prod_no=1676

This is gotta be the first notebook I know of equipped with a HD4850 inside.

However according to their specifications of the GT725 they listed the HD4850 as a DDR2 model, which I beg to differ. Firstly, this is a high-end card; generally most high end cards (In fact all of them) do not offer DDR2 chips. Secondly, I do know that ATI's move towards GDDR3 memory in notebooks is immediate and instant; I'm certain that you do know about their recent change in marketing tactics. Therefore, I hope it's a typo. Even its predecessor or the HD3870/3850 doesn't offer DDR2 memory counterparts. Correct me if I'm wrong or if someone knows better about them.

December 13 2008 EDIT: Nevermind, it's listed as HD4850 DDR3 now (should be GDDR3 in actual fact)

EDIT: Oh yes for the title of the thread, it should be ATI Mobility Radeon HD4850. My mistake, probably typed too fast... If a mod can change the title's mistake, please do.

 

Oh snap, when will it be priced and available for configuration?

 

im telling you MSI is THEE most underrated notebook manufacturer they make class notebooks no one seems to see this though

 

when will we see this in NA?

 

Any release dates in the US? I was looking at the Msi Gt735, but now i might wait for this one.

 

Can we buy one from Taiwan? Can we buy HD4850 from Taiwan? (apparently from Taiwan or Japan or somewhere close, you can buy a lot of cards that's not even shipped to US or Europe) .... Can we go crazy thinking about this?

 

I'm already going crazy... dunno which of the GT series to go/wait for...i was orginally set on the GT735, but now this is here.. any estimations on price? the 4850/centrino must add some value on surely! unless MSI are working there magic again!

 

That is a SICK Laptop. I don't think any laptop has that graphics card yet(I might be wrong). MSI is really going all out on their products.

 

I saw that one, but it's also a 17" which completely turned me off on it... 15.4" is already pushing it for me as I expect my "notebook" to be at least somewhat portable -> 17" just make them unwieldly IMO.

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Plus benchmarks that I'd seen for the ATI cards didn't look that good, but don't know if it was because of bad drivers for a newer card or what... unimpressive 3DMark 06 & ingame results... supposed to be some x2 and x3 SLIed (crossfired) notebooks coming out from ASUS too from what I saw when searching... makes the notebook really expensive though, but the benches on those were phenomenal...
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I've been hearing ATI has been doing a lot better since a lot of Nvidia cards have been crashing.

 

why on the website it says for the video card

ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4850 (Built-in DDR2 512MB) why is it DDR2? and not DDR3

 

That's most likely to be a typo... look at this pic

 

Yeah, it's a typo. It would be completely foolish for ATi to match up DDR2 VRAM with such a nice GPU. In addition to that, MSI has been known for these kinds of typos in the past; they botched up the GX620/MS-1651 as well, claiming DDR2 VRAM on one page and DDR3 in another.

 

Right on man.... Like I said in my first post, it's surely, 100% never a HD4850 with a.... what, DDR2?! No way... Such a powerful beast shouldn't deserve a DDR2. A mobility HD4850 should be in place somewhere near performance of a single 9800M GTX or slightly better. Expect 3DMark06 scores to be ~ 10K or more... + an overclocked processor (CPU Turbo Mode)... if catalyst drivers mature even more through time.

 

Your pic is wrong....

Thats a Desktop version of the 4850.

 

desktop gpus are differnt then laptop ones i learn that on my own lol

 

The ATI laptop GPUs are based on the desktop GPUs, just with a lower clock speed, thats the only main difference, except for obvious things, like size! i look forward to this, i might get it if its in my price range! any value suggestions? same as GT735? or more?

 

thanks, its good to know that its a DDR3, would be definitely a bad mistake to make it DDR2.

 

Where is the chart that this was taken from?

 

That screenshot is obviously from Wikipedia, I am an editor for most of the GPU lists and articles there. I am now researching and editing the Nvidia GeForce 9 Series article. I'll be adding information on the 9650M GT and 9400M GS on the table later; needs to be updated though.

 

Yup, as SomeFormOfHuman stated, it's from Wikikpedia.

Here's the link.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units

 

Okay thanks. I was hoping to find out the wattages on the 4850/4870.

Anyone have estimates or guesses?

 

Many of the MSI's I have handled were pretty flimsy. I am willing to eat my words if these new models are well made.

 

I'm very interested, care to share any links from your searching?

 

Sorry, but I'm not even sure where they turned up, as I didn't bother to save them but IIRC I was just googling for ATI 4850 or similar and it turned up in one of the articles listed in the first few pages of google results...

About all I remember about it was that the x3 was shown in a pictured IIRC two of the cards were side by side with one linked up underneath... maybe try searching for asus 4850 x3 might turn it up at the top... as IIRC most of the articles were about the x2/x3 whereas I wanted to see the x1 ...

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Hmmm... maybe I didn't find it through google, as I'm now turning up only info on x1 mobility. I'll check on the old notebook that I think that I did the search on later today/tonight... It may still be in the history... but I know that I saw it, as IIRC the picture had the underside of a notebook with someone holding the x3 4850 card...
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Really nice one! I love the weight, it's just 3.2KGs(7.1lbs), also the desighn is quite cool. MSI products are always high quality ones, that's my experience's word! I would like some crossfire edition in the next months. Also the only thing for GT725 is the RAM, which is DDR2 800?? I hope that's typo, would like to see 1066 DDR3 on the board! Well done you MSI guyes

To Nvidia fans:
I wanna just let you know, that Mobility HD4850 with P8600 goes for 9700 points, and with the X9100 goes for a bit above 10 000! In the matter of fact, the most powerful single mobile GPU(on the market right now) 9800GTX is making(in the real world) 9952 points with the same X9100 CPU and DDR3 1066mhz 4Gb RAM(clevo M570TU-one of the best). Officialy 9800GTX makes about 10200, but it looks like the best notebooks with best specs can not reach this

Yes, they look equal overall, but the price ratio is way better for ATI, and not only the price.

What's more 4850 got the better, 55nm technology, direcx10.1 and better power eficiency. What's even more, 4850 will be almost twice cheaper than the overprices 9800GTX. Same thing for the crossfire version later on(2009 beggin).

All we need is more notebooks brands, that to believe that Nvidia is no more "Ultimate power", what's more it's overprices and ranked right now, and for the future! I was going for 9800gtx in the past weeks, but no more right now, wait a little and get cheaper ATI system (with the better right now Intel CPUs and platforms).

So the real world Nvidia scores usually goes down, and the ATI goes up(that's not a single real world case). Checking all this: notebookcheck.net

Some more Mobility HD4*** and crossfire edtions are comming.. No one used the unreachable for 8800GTX sli HD3870x2 -> arghh just if we see some more brands with the new ATIs...

Cheers

 

Link please, and please let it be something other than that random Flickr page.

 

Any word on availability yet?

 

i've tried to email msi (and msi australia especially) to ask about availability but cant find a valid email address

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M5972edd65ef.0.html
(yes, it's from Flickr, but they got it from ATI, where else from?), but we all know the latest ATI's mobile GPUs are rated lower(or at least the same as the real results) on the pre-released benchmark informations and official such. I don't hate Nvidia, but the ppl thinks "yes, nvidia rocks all the time, they are georgous!". (They probably are sometimes, but the even competition is missing, because of the manufac's) But the reality usually bites.
Ofc I got Nvidia, the manufact's got no habbit to take the best from ATI (sometimes with a couple of extremely expensive exceptions). All this pisses me off. I want choice, not big Nvidia logos with their more expensive GPUs, "leading the mobile world". Ofc I still liked them much, but that's not the case
We want the best of both ATI and Nvidia, not just best of Nvidia, so the ppl thinks they are unbeatable, because they clearly aren't! Arghh we want only the best!
Cheers

 

If the mobile part performs on similar basis in respect to desktop part then 9800 gtx will be beat. but then again we donot know how much they had to tone down to achieve laptop specs in terms of power and heat. I am sure though it will soundly be the best bang for buck GPU for laptops. which we need competition for the laptop GPU area. I am figuring the 4850 will cost around 200-250 for the laptop version VS 750 for the 9800 GTX. And offer better performance to boot. I am waiting for Nvidia response when this happens. Faster card? or Cheaper Cards. either way the consumer wins in this case.

 

I've sent an email out to all german MSI distributors and I've got some information about availability (I already translated it):

Code:

Dear Mr. B.,

This notebook is expected to be available in january 2009.

Kind regards,
Your MSI Team

No HD4850-notebooks at christmas?

 

The availability of the GT725 varies for country to country. For example in Singapore where I live, it'll be available end of November or somewhere estimated beginning December. It'll probably hit the Asian markets first I believe.

 

I just got this response from MSI Australia:

That lines up with Germany which is a good sign!

 

I hope this can reach the U.S before Christmas.
Still no word on pricing for this model right?

 

Pricing is approximately SGD (Singapore Dollars) 3500 - 3700. Roughly ~USD2500. But I think it should be way much cheaper in the US as electronic stuff in Singapore is alot more expensive. This is just estimated price converted from SGD to USD.

 

So is there any way that you can you try to find out the wattage of the 4850?

 

For whatever reason?

 

i really wonder what the price tag will be????????????

 

how about we select one of these noetbooks
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodpage2&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271
then we see this article
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/OrdinateursPortables/portables/hd4850-mobilty-dispo-sujet_48478_1.htm
http://jyreb.club.fr/inside-gx620.jpg
then browse ebay
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_npmv=3&_trksid=m38&_nkw=ATI+MXM&_sacat=See-All-Categories
and ask this guy for mobility 4850 who is resp for all these items
http://myworld.ebay.com/sean2008168

Also see..
http://www.clubic.com/forum/ordinat...msi-gx720-id532306-page1-recherche-gx720.html

 

Woah, thanks for the enlarged pictures. They look good.

 

To be honest, I find your posts to be somewhat hard to read.

And also, I doubt the owner of the flickr page got it's information from ATI. I'm guessing that it's actually from MSI. As to why? MSI = Taiwanese company. OS in display in pics = Traditional Mandarin, which happens to be the lingua franca in Taiwan. As for performance, ATI cards have shown the tendency to score high in 3dmark06 but are outperformed in actual real-world performance by Nvidia cards that score similar or even lower on 3dmark06. As much as I welcome and applaud competition for Nvidia, I would suggest you take the 3dmark06 scores with a pinch of salt.

If you need evidence, look at the 3870's. Right now, they do better in 3dmark06, but are outperformed by Nvidia's 9800M GT or GTX, and even GTS in some cases.

Incidentally, I assume that's your estimate of the price @ SomeFormOFhuman.

 

Hey, don't look at me like I know it! haha.

 

It was meant to be a question, but I forgot the "?" at the end.

 

I'm just trying to figure out if the card will be compatible with my notebook.

 

Kevin Jack 2.0, it should theoretically be compatible with your notebook. I say this because it is supposed to replace the 3870 in the Arima W840-DI just fine (it would be an upgrade to existing users). Since the Clevo M860TU can fit the 3870, I assume you could get the 4850 to work in it.

3870 in M860TU: http://www.guruofgaming.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2223&start=75/

Hope it helps!

 

Eh, MSI and Clevo may use entirely different MXM slots though. PS: No guarantee of the 4850s in the W840 DI yet either. The 3870s were supposed to be released with the M860TU at first, but plans fell through.

 

It's true. It's all theories and suppositions. But since Mark from Killernotebooks managed to use the 3870 in the M860TU, hope tends to build up . The reason why the 3870 is not widely offered in the M860TU doesn't seem to be purely technical (at least in what hardware is concerned).

 

lol, this thing is becoming a HEATER