MSI GT628 with Q9200

gpu-z is wrong. Its wrong all the time about that stuff.

Look at the GPU die.

Should be this (b1 revision):


Even the 9800m GS from the gt627 was 55nm

 

It's look like this. And yes the 1GB versions all 55nm.

Niff have you got any idea why my hdmi output stopped working?

 

GTS160M is 55nm. Mine card in that GT628-beast works on 620/1600/900@0,9 V. In comparison to default (600/1500/800@1,09 V) is temperature lower about 10°C! Max OC was about 700/1750/900@1,09 V, but temperature was so high (96°C).

Now I have C2D T6600 changed for C2Q Q9000, which is undervolted - 2 GHz@0,9125 V, max. temperature with stock cooling was about 60°C (about 78°C with default VID).

I'm amazed that you are running on configurations with C2Q and FX5700/GTX260M/GTX280M and your PSU can provide enough power

My 120 W PSU is with undervolted GPU and CPU a hot a little bit (over 45°C). I don't know the power consumption - but I think, that it won't exceed 100 W (with so undervolted config)...


OT
@moral hazard:
I have 2×2 GB DDR3-1333 MHz RAM, CPU-Z and AIDA64 show me SPD profiles:
666 MHz 8-8-8-24
583 MHz 7-7-7-21
500 MHz 6-6-6-18

so I don't have the profile for 1066 MHz.
But HWiNFO32 shows me SPD:
666 MHz 8-8-8-24
533 MHz 7-7-7-20

and SPDTool shows total rubbish...

I want to get my FSB and DRAM freq synchronous ( = 1066 MHz), because the real performance can be about 5~20% higher (approved on my C2D-based desktop).
And because I don't have any BIOS, which supports C2Q and supports the "advanced menu" for manual settings of RAM freq/timings, I'm trying to search any solution... Any idea, please? I don't want to risk flashing via SPDTool because of its wrong readings...


Regards,


JK

 

PSU get warm, but not hot. Even if I play GTA4 maxed out. I took off the bottom panel and use a Spire PacificBreeze cooler. Temps: cpu 75*C, gpu: 73*C never go above that. Now thinking about a modded bottom panel with some extra holes.

 

You could try thaiphoon burner.

But I will upload a special bios that I have (which should support quads and has ram settings) when I get home tonight.

 

@moral hazard:
Oh, it really exists? I even made a topic on bios-mods.com forum, but without reply... But this is really great info, thank you!

@Kirrr:
OK, warm
Anyway, I have done cooling mod, which is explained here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/580117-ultimate-cooling-blueprint-gx740-akoya-x7811.html
and with 120mm fan@6V I have max. temperatures in full synthetic load about 60-65°C (temperature is approx. the same on CPU cores/GPU core). Works really great and I can recommend it.

My bottom cover is made from "tahokov" (sorry, I don't know, how is this word in english ) - early version of my mod was looking like this:
http://img.jejkey.net/ntbmod/P8050365.jpg
Current version is stronger and even looks better, but I don't have photo at the moment... Maybe tomorrow.

Regards,


JK

 

External wifi? Holy Hell!

I've got a plan, that I make something similar that was made earlier in the Asus G51 Cooling Mod topic. A hole where's the fan. So it can suck fresh air from the outside.

 

noob question: how will i know the wattage of my power brick?

about upgrading my gt628's cpu(and gpu if i manage to find a seller of a gtx 260m/hd 4850m), do i require any bios flashing before i install the q9200? my laptop has p8400 c2d when i bought it. also, do i need to purchase a new power brick?

thanks in advance!

 

Volt*Amper that's written on the PSU. If you have a 120W one no need to purchase a new one.
I flashed the bios to the newest, but it isn't necessary.

 

The amperage of the 120w MSI adapters is about 6.3a.

I can sell you a 4870. PM me for details.

 

4870 in 2.1 HE?

 

Type III:
ASUS W90 HD4870 1GB DDR3 MXM III VGA Card [W90] - $224.99- laptop-ac-adapter.org

 

OMG!
I just cried on my gtx...

 

But I dont think anyone has tested one of those in a normal notebook yet (maybe niff has?).

 

seriously? but still.. if things go smoothly as planned i would still get my first pay check on November. if its still with you by then i would surely pm you.

@moral_hazard

is that legit? i just noticed the chipset manufacturer is nvidia.

 

yes, that part about it being nvidia must be a mistake. I have no idea if that mxm card is legit or not.

It's just a link niffcreature has shared before so I thought I would repost it.

 

The card is legit and has a HE tab:



But there's no 1GB version. The 4870x2 is 1gb which is two 512mb 4870, which is actually an overclocked 4850. I think.

 

well thats good news. bookmarked the page thanks for sharing.

 

@moral hazard:
Thank you for the BIOS (+rep)! Flash was successfull and it's working great, but I have less available settings. Maybe it is caused by different ntb configuration, who knows.
Anyway, I have there switch between 800/1066/Auto (DRAM freq), but maximal RAS latency is limited by 15 and I need about 20~21.
It seems that flashing of SPD is inevitable...

 

I had that same problem with that bios (RAS limited to 15).
I was able to boot with it at 15 and then use memset in windows to change the RAS.

Also just a note, that bios is based on version 1.12 (one version behind the latest bios).

 

In case anyone didn't know -

I didn't get the card I have from that website. And, those appear to be 3870.
Meaning the picture is of a 3870. They could still be 4870, no idea.

P. S. @ moral hazard. Have you sold your laptop for parts? I was wondering if I could buy the power button cable and maybe the heatsink. Of course I'm not even going to ask about the LCD assembly, lol I'm sure someone needs it more than I do (even though I have a gt627 AND gt628 without LCDS).

 

I've sold the GPU (for $150).
The rest I still have, so yes I can sell you the cable.
But I have cut my heatsink (so a 3870 would fit), you can see what it looks like now in these pics:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...works-fx-3700m-full-clocks-2.html#post6596471

If you're still interested, pm me some rough prices for the cable + heatsink.

I'm going to wait until ebay has the new 30 free listings a month before I sell the rest of the parts, but if anyone needs anything send me a PM.

 

Hm, flash of SPD via Thaiphoon Burner wasn't successfull. I turned back the default SPD settings and original BIOS.
Maybe I'll try to do FSB downclock mod:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...intel-gl960-gl40-useful-info-pll-modders.html
but I don't know, if this will work with PM45...
If it works, then my FSB=200 MHz, RAM=800 MHz = boot into OS without crash => set higher timings via MemSet + setPLL => FSB=266 MHz and RAM=1066 MHz...

Can it be real?

 

Yes the BSEL downclock mod does work with PM45, I've tried it on my GT627.

 

Is there any option to upgrade the screen to a higher resolution one?

edit: today I played BRINK. Game runs well at maxed settings but the temps go up: cpu 80*C, gpu 77*C. Is this game is more powerhungry than GTAIV maxed out?

 

@moral hazard:
Thanks for the info. I have tried setPLL with GT627 settings and it worked fine. But MemSet fails to set CAS timings (stuck on 5, cannot set any other value)... BTW MemSet see my RAM as DDR2, but in SPD dump it writes DDR3

I think that I'll have to flash the SPDs once more to get their 1066 MHz timings to 800 MHz profile.

Or is any other possibility? I have tried SysTool (but it doesn't support PM45).


@Kirrr:
Nothing is impossible I always test temperatures in load Intel BurnTest + Furmark at the same time - then I know that temperature will be all right in any case...

 

Can the modded bios change the CAS at all for you?

 

Where can I find the stock 1.12 BIOS? Because in the 1.14 the turbo isn't working for me.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...1-1-0p-bios-please-upload-me.html#post5877768

that should work.

 

Thank you. As soon as I get home, I'll give it a try.

 

In theory yes, but in real usage no - I turn the laptop on and nothing happens (LCD still off, no POST, nothing...) => I had to do clear CMOS.
I don't know, where can be the problem. When I was flashing the SPD to spec. 1066G, laptop didn't boot even wwith BIOS settings to 800 MHz. But Lenovo SL410 with GM45 chipset started normally. BIOS (latest 1.14 or modded 1.12) doesn't make any change.
Tomorrow I'll go to buy one 4 GB 1066 MHz module for bigger capacity...


@Kirrr:
Turbo works, but it's strange. In case of my Q9000 is CPU freq. higher about 75 MHz, software (ThrottleStop, AIDA64, CPU-Z) reports the same VID, but temperature is about 10°C higher... So I don't use it.

 

Turbo... works... on... your... Quad?
I need to backflash from 1.14 where it doesn't work, not even on dual cores.

 

Hm, "works". 75 MHz CPU overclock with significantly higher temperature is just funny ...
But Q9000 was "officially" supported ( = MSI sold ntb with these CPU in stock). And Turbo in my ntb worked even with stock C2D T6600 (there was the OC from 2,2 => 2,55 GHz). And I had BIOS version 1.14 since I bought this ntb...
Do you have the correct version of System Control Manager?

 

Latest SCM and now the 1.12 and... when I touch the turbo it works. But its useless, because the VID is too much 1.3V. I use this cpu at 2.8GHz with 1.1875V so when the turbo is active it can overheat very easy...

Today I reapplied the thermal paste and now idling at 40-42*C (vga 45*C)

 

My Q9200 needed 1.05V for 2.66ghz, 1.075v for 2.8ghz.

 

I never get those great numbers...

 

So I've had my attention on this topic for about a week or so, since I'm having serious thermal issues with my GT628 and something just doesn't seem right when I compare my numbers with yours. I've changed the following things about it:

T6600 -> QX9200 ES (2,4GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 12MB)
1680x1050 -> 1920x1200 (Dell D800)
ODD -> Vertex 2 120GB
W7 32 bit -> W7 SP1 64 bit (this gave me the hang-for-no-reason-at-startup-issue, but after a re-install it was gone)

Now the main issue as one would expect is this beast of a CPU I crammed under the hood, I replaced the TIM with ThermalRight ChillFactor 3 which performs well on my desktop but the temps are no good. Even when idling at 1600MHz @ 1,05V I I rarely see a core dipping under 55 degrees. During gaming they jump to a blistering 100 degrees and throttle like hell.

So I went online, found this guide and went about undervolting it. However my minimum voltage seems to go no lower than 1,05V which is still too high, settings don't seem to get applied properly because even if I try running 2,4GHz at 1,05V CPU-Z reports anything from 1,156 to 1,3 volts... Somewhere RMClock is not doing its job, got any advice?

Also I see you guys overclocking and supposedly my ES CPU has an unlocked multiplier, but RMClock won't let me freely pick multipliers per P-state and the maximum multiplier is locked at 10. Can I use a different program to tweak the multiplier (not FSB) once I get the temperatures sorted?

Furthermore I'm looking for ways to edit the laptop's fan profile, cause I don't mind if it's a bit noisy, but right now under certain workloads the fan keeps switching between two speeds and the revving up and spinning down is grinding my gears. Also, what can be done to improve the stock cooling short of running the laptop with half the cover removed or cutting a hole in said cover? I'm already using a Zalman notebook pad though it ain't making much of a difference with the cover on.

Finally since the GT160m is lacking a bit of oomph to game at my new native resolution, I was looking to get a 4850 or 4870 (anyone selling, feel free to PM). I read these come with different bioses depending on what laptop they were pulled from, but does this affect their compatibility with my notebook in any way?

PS the turbo function on my GT628 works allright with the quad but only adds a measly 75MHz and a load of heat, ergo it might as well have not worked.

 

Use throttlestop to unlock your multi, then you can set it higher.

 

Thanks, that worked! I also noticed that CPU-Z and RMClock don't really mix well, CPU-Z reports some weird values at times but RMClock confirms the set voltages.

The QX9200 seems to be game-stable running stock speeds at 1,1V, that's 200mV under stock. It didn't throttle anymore so we're making progress. I can probably go even lower but it does seem 1,05V is the bottom limit. According to the undervolting guide, that basically means 1,05 is the lowest possible request voltage available on the chipset if I understand correctly. So there's no workaround to get to even lower voltages?

 

No, 1.05V is the minimum, though power consumption should drop quite a bit by then.

 

hey Singular1ty:

i'm using Win 7 64-bit SP1 also, running on an Intel X25-M g2, and i'm also getting that hang-for-no-reason-on-startup at times. it occurs randomly so i have to force shutdown my laptop every time it happens. any explanation why that happens?

and is reinstalling the OS the only way to fix that? it's too much of a hassle for me to reinstall my whole system. T_T

thanks!

 

@S1ngularity:
According to my experience RMClock was useless on C2Q (no support of half-multipliers and no support of that CPU). Using ThrottleStop instead is good solution.

Maybe you could be interested in this:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...90696-bsel-mod-socket-p-explained-photos.html

I undervolted my C2Q Q9000 to 2 GHz@0,9125 V rockstable. Difference in temperatures in full load is significant (>20°C).

But I think that most-problematical feature of this CPU is too large cache - and more cache = more heat....


@mokmoki:
I bought Intel X25-M 80 GB G2 few days ago and works fine (Win2003 R2 x86, iaStor.sys drivers). Maybe you should check the disc via Intel SSD Toolbox to determine, where is the problem.

 

Cache produces very little heat to be honest. Also I am very suprised you can go down to 0.9125v.

Running my Q9200 at 2.66ghz 1.05V was very cool, that's in an Acer laptop with a cooling system designed for the Q9000, I would blame it on the cooling system.

 

@Meaker:
Are you sure about the cache? When I look on some photo of CPU, cache is about 30% of CPU-die surface. And also there are differences in power consumptions between C2D and e.g. Pentium Dual-Cores on the same frequency... The only thing, which can cause it, is imho amount of cache.

ad Q9000 2 GHz@0,9125 V - it's real. I solved it with naton's help here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...socket-p-explained-photos-46.html#post7704181

Temperatures aren't so important for me, but noise is. So I modified my cooling, put a resistor in front of the fan and now it is quiet and (relatively) cool...

 

@ MokMoki
I haven't the faintest clue why the random hang occurs. My guess is that maybe the OEM drivers/software are causing some sort of issue, but I wouldn't know how to check. I got rid of my ODD, installed a Vertex 2 and booting from there hasn't been a problem since. The laptop now is lightning fast.

@ Jejkey
Aha! That might explain the trouble I'm having with RMClock. My settings aren't saved and it won't start at boot. It DOES seem to properly detect my clockspeeds and Vcore when using Throttlestop, for some reason CPU-Z won't. Anyone else having this issue?

Thanks for the tip on the pin mods! I'm definitely going to try that. For 2,4GHz, 1,1V is stable and stops the CPU from throttling in-game, but when idling, being able to go lower than 1,05V would be probably be nice for temps (and for my ears). 0,9125V is excellent btw, although I would never put a resistor on my laptop fan...

@ Meaker
Cache does contribute alot to heat output! For example, the desktop Q9550 runs significantly hotter than the Q9400 at similar speeds due to the extra amount of cache. It won't be any different for mobile Core series processors.

So since there's apparently a bunch of cool tricks to hardmod your voltages and FSB, does anyone know how to edit your laptop's fan profile or otherwise practically mod the crappy coolers they come with to increase heat capacity?

 

Well there are a few things:

1. Revisions, newer revisions can use less or more power due to changes in design.

2. Steppings, every chip is different but on average all the chips in a stepping tend to be similar, therefore they will harvest similarly and you will find that particular steppings may have had higher quality or lower quality silicon to target specific models.

3. Frequencies, C2D are usually clocked higher, the higher the clocks, the higher the power draw.

4. Process technology, if you are comparing 65nm C2Ds with 45nm Pentiums then ofc there will be a difference.

While cache takes up a large area, it's the compute part switching more often and using faster transistors.

 

@Meaker:
I'm comparing "same" CPUs, ofc - identical technology, same frequency, same Vcore, but different size of cache (and maybe FSB).
Unfortunately I don't have any Pentium D-C here at the moment, so I can't provide any exact data.

@Singular1ty:
It's not so easy - if you want to do the pinmod, you will probably have to disable the "power saver" in throttlestop ( = disable automatic underclock and setting of lowest voltage) because of VID range, where is that mod working... But these ranges are depending on current pinmod settings...

ad cooling - maybe you could find some inspiration here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/580117-ultimate-cooling-blueprint-gx740-akoya-x7811.html

 

On a fully clocked desktop chip you are looking at a 8W difference (at max load) between a 4MB quad and an 8MB quad.

Compared to that many logic transistors that's nothing. Difference in chip quality can cause that kind of change.

 

@JejKey
Since the CPU seems fine running 2,4GHz on 1,1V and the current lowest request voltage is 1,05V, I doubt the lower voltage will present a problem on the power saver settings. They've got the CPU running a measly 1,6GHz, I think I can pull that off with anything 0,7V and up. If I do the pinmod, will the voltages still be reported correctly in Throttlestop or will I have to deduct the displayed values by the modded voltage?

I do have a load of RAM heatsinks from Arctic Cooling kits lying around unused. Might be worth the effort to open the laptop up again and see what I can do with them.

 

Ramsinks don't have so much advantage. Maybe when you use a laptop cooler, without your bottom panel. My quad: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]. Anything above give me a BSOD in this chassis.

Maybe on the weekend, I will trade my GT628 to a Precision. And my gaming career will end. Or not... (fx3700m)