MSI GP63 8RE vs GE63 8RE

Is there a difference between the build quality of these two laptops? I see one has more colours, is that the only difference?

 

I believe they're pretty much the same chassis, so build quality shouldn't be noticeably different.

 

They appear to be exactly the same chassis. Same cooling. Probably the same motherboard (or very slightly different). The only difference I see is that the ge series can have a higher gpu and has per-key rgb keyboard. I think the gp series only has 3 zone backlight. Also the gp series have the option to go with lower budget 60Hz 1080p screen while all ge63 8re will always either have 120Hz 1080p screen or a 4k 60Hz one. The gp63 series also seems to come with 120Hz screen in SOME models. So I'd be careful. Overall the gp is just slightly shaved off in features.

 

Are you considering either model? With build quality aside, what features would sway you to one or the other?

 

The GP63, the GE doesn't have anything extra I need. I just wondered whether the bottom panel might be metal not plastic.

All the video reviews I've watched say it's difficult to remove the bottom panel of the GP63 without damaging the case.

I don't understand why access to M.2, HDD and RAM is not part of the design.

I'm also waiting to see reviews of the Gigabyte Sabre 15-W8.

I'm really just looking for an 8750H and GTX1060 in a 15" chassis. A backlit keyboard is desirable but not RGB. A bigger battery is always a win. Under 2.5KG. Easy access for upgrading and repasting. My last two laptops have been Clevos so it's definitely function over form.


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My bf damaged the plastic clips holding the gt75 bottom cover in place when removing it, now there is a gap of like 0.5mm over most of the front side. At least it adds some air intake Gotta look at it positively. I think all of these are easy to damage if you are not the most careful person in the world. Most of the disassembly videos I have seen were rougher than the bf so all those laptops must have the clips broken off too unless the people were lucky as hell.
I would not worry about it as even with few broken clips and some imperfect fit as a result there is not much more to go wrong.

 

If you have a plastic prying tool, that could help prevent breaking the clips.

 

Too late for my laptop with that ^^ once broken there is no fixing it. The clips are so tiny, it's less than half mm what broke off... it's sad. Only shot is to send it to MSI and pay them for replacing it. Last time I got quoted around 70 euro. Since the gap is not even visible when it sits on the desk, I will not bother most likely. But good tip for next time.

 

If you foresee any additional tinkering in the future, I highly recommend getting the Syntus Precision toolkit. I've been using this for a while. It's only like $23!

 

Some of the video reviews used the iFixIt toolkit and still had problems.

My current Clevo has three screws to remove and then the panel slides off.

The other laptop I'm considering is the TongFang GK5CN5Z also being discussed on the forums. That laptop has very easy access to the whole machine and I can purchase it with the exact configuration I want.

All the configurations of the GP63 I've seen have a M.2 128 GB SATA SSD and a 1 TB 7200rpm HD. I want a M.2 250 GB NVMe SSD and a 2 TB SSHD so access to the internals are a necessity.

I'm from the UK but live in Thailand and India too so these are the places where I'd purchase it from.

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The other options is a Gigabyte Saber 15-W8, it has the Windows key in the right places for starters and I think access to the rear is quite easy. It doesn't seem to be for sale in many places.

Getting back to MSI, do all of their laptops have the Windows key on the right? Is it something you get use to?

 

Regarding the GP63 8RE ive not seen (on amazon or overclockers) the option for the different screens that are indicated as available on their website, has anyone seen this option anywhere? Personally i'm after the 94%NTSC screen - https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GP63-Leopard-8RE

 

The Sabre 15-W8 looks good. Have you any reviews of even for sale anywhere? I'm also form the UK, so that's where i'd get it from.

 

The gt75 has the windows key on the left as usual and so does the gs65 I believe. For the rest it seems to be on the right. In the year I owned the gt72vr that was the least of my problems and I got used to it rather quickly. It just requires using 2 hands for some shortcuts instead of one. As for other brands, I have no experience with them so can't help.

The thing is, there is usually a big mess regarding the screens. MSI should have addressed this but they haven't so far. There was a major confusion as well with the gt72vr as some models came with 75Hz IPS 1080p screens in SOME countries, but the resellers usually failed to specify this and the poor person bought it, thinking he would get the normal 120Hz TN panel. While some might be happy with the IPS one, many reported issues such as color banding, light bleeding etc. The TN panel is amazing in my experience though, both on the gt72vr and the gt75 now. So yeah, MSI is not clear at all about which models come with what and some resellers don't bother checking.

 

I started a new thread in the Gigabyte forum about this model.

 

This is from the USA website assume they have something similar for another country if you are not in the USA. Lists what screen is with what part# Example GP63013 or GP63 Leopard-013 has 120hz display 94% NTSC and a GP63041 or GP63 Leopard-041 has a 45% NTSC display.
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GP63-Leopard-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

The two GP63 US model's I see with the 120hz 94% NTSC display are GP63 Leopard-013 has GTX1060 and GP63 Leopard-428 has GTX1070. My google search came up with no place listing the -428 yet. I don't recall seeing the -428 sku so think they just recently added it.

 

The model available in Thailand is the MSI GP63 8RE-080TH. It's listed as 45% NTSC.

 

I believe the IPS screens are the 60Hz ones... I'd always preferably get the 120Hz one unless you hook it up to an external screen at home. I do that anyway as 27 inch curved 144Hz screen is impossible to beat by a laptop no matter how awesome it is.

 

I just visited the MSI importer/distributor in Delhi. ₹133,000 ($1966) for the 120 hz / 256 NVMe / 1TB version.

It seemed quite expensive. Tomorrow I will be in Thailand and check there.



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Yes, seems expensive. Do check in Thailand, that would be great, though ordering one to the UK might also be expensive.

 

It is available in the UK at Overclockers but with an M.2 SATA drive and I would like an NVMe drive.

 

Oh great, thanks for that. Decent price too. I'd also be after a NVME. Also it doesn't indicate if it's 1 stick of 16 ram or 2 x 8, i'd need 32 so a single stick would be preferable. I guess i could email Overclockers.

 

From this teardown is looks like it does support NVME.

Another question though, have been looking at the Tongfang 8750 thin-bezzled model and owners have reported tweaking it get 1200 + on cinebench, whereas in this video the reviewer reports a cinebench score of 1050. I'm a bit of noob, but is there any reason why tweaking the MSI won't allow me to hit 1200 or therabouts? I can adjust my expectations a bit taking int account the silicon lottery etc, but still i'd like to know i could get a bit better performance if I fiddled.

 

I know it supports it, the issue is that I believe the M.2 SSD is comes with is SATA rather than NVMe.

 

Ahh right, yeah, i'd prefer it come with NVME too. The teardown also indicates it comes with 2 x 8gb ram.

 

Can someone confirm that this FHD 120HZ panel really is 94% NTSC as this supplier indicates - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...d-120hz-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-279-ms.html

...and also that this 94% translates into 100% srgb? The screen is crucial for my needs and i've become aware that often these percentages can be misleading (for the uninitiated like myself).

 

This is the info I have on that screen. I am not sure of the breakdown between the NTSC and the SRGB percentages. But everything else seems to be exactly as you described.

15.6" FHD, 120Hz 3ms Wideview 94% NTSC Color Anti-Glare 1920x1080 16:9

 

That's what I thought, but its quite confusing. I actually ordered this item an hour ago - - thinking it was the same item as in the previous link ( this one) , then just to confirm I called Scan just to double check, then called MSI directly, both seemed to indicate it was the 120hz 3ms panel, but not the 94% NTSC Wideview one...they're different models, as their website indicates. The overclockers site it was suggested had just copy pasted 2 models into 1. I've emailed MSI directly in the hope i can get an idea of where to buy it from. Just cancelled the order too.

 

So, which one you went with and why ? I would also like to know the difference between build quality of GP63 and GE63.

 

-Raider has 4 speakers. Leopard has 2.
-Raiders palm rest is made of brushed aluminium. I am not sure about leopard, i think its plastic designed to look like brushed aluminium.
-Raider has more fancy rgb lights

Thats all i can think of right now.

 

There are various models that could be using different screen, list a full model number here that you are really interested in and we can confirm it for you.

 

GP63 has a plastic palmrest while GE63 Raider RGB's palmrest is made of metal (Aluminium i think)

 

help guys, my laptop (GP63) wont save configuration such as backlight always on after restart or shutdown and power option always comeback to best performance instead of balanced, i have to chance it everytime I restart the laptop. anyone knows how to fix it?

 

Are you using Dragon Center? Make sure there are no programs running at the background or startup that my be clashing, trying to control the power options.

If you are having problems with Dragon Center, you can try reinstalling it or updating it to the latest version. If you don't like Dragon Center, you can try SteelSeries Keyboard drivers.

 

yes, I am using dragon center, I heard some reviews say that dragon center can cause problems tho. is it fine to uninstall it? do you know where to download steeseries driver?

 

Its under the utility tab.
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GP63-Leopard-8RE#down-driver&Win10 64

 

All steelseries drivers do is controlling the keyboard lights. That should be preinstalled. By removing dragon center you will be missing fan control - there is an app for that but it is not intended for 8th gen laptops and there are some annoyances with it (i.e. the percentage doesn't correspond to actual percentage). It's called silent option.
Anyway, dragon center will apply high performance if sport mode is selected at boot. Select comfort and balanced should be applied (and also applied at startup). As for the keyboard lights, you should be able to switch off dragon center's ability to control those and just use steelseries engine for it.Most likely if you are experiencing keyboard light difficulties now, its due to steelseries engine and not dragon center anyway. So update that one.
The problems that are talked about in relation to dragon center on these forums relate to it changing bios options back to default - which is only relevant for people who OC their laptops and obviously you cannot do that with a locked chip, so it doesnt even apply to you.
Good luck!

 

If you are not comfortable using the software, you can remove it. So without the software, the fan will still go by its pre-programmed behavior in the EC firmware anyway.

 

Sorry to dig up an old topic, but has it been confirmed that the GE63's bottom cover is the same as the GP63's?

 

Is GP63 running hotter than it's advertised? I see reviews on Youtube and other online places that i7 8750H is easily reaching above 80-85 celcius and it "reached" 95 Celcius under Prime95 stress test which is very worrying. 90-95 Celcius is a sign of bad cooling engineering if It's damn true in real world usage including regular heavy gaming sessions.

 

Prime95 is a torture test, not a "what will this computer do if I game with it a lot" test. 80-85 is normal, if that's what it does under user load it's fine.

 

Hmm, no, it is not sign of bad cooling engineering necessarily. But I am not sure if it's advertised to even run at any temp which would be dumb in my opinion (considering different ambient temps). Almost any new machine with 6 core intel CPUs runs hot from the get go, and we have users all over the place undervolting+fixing heatsink issues+ repasting just to keep temps in the 80s range. These CPUs simply run way too hot and most laptops without any optimization will easily run at 90+ celsius.

I always use as an example my lenovo P51 which can barely cool down an i7 7700HQ, and this same chasis with the P52 you can pack new 6 core 8th gen CPUs. I bet it throttles like crazy.

Just typing this while having a VM open doing nothing, with around 50% utilization on my CPU, I am on 88 celsius. And sounds like I am about to take off and fly. I love this laptop for work, but the cooling is one area of improvement they need to work on.

Bad cooling engineering would be that despite undervolting, repasting etc, you would still have those high temps AND the CPU throttled way below turbo. That would entirely be terrible engineering. Which sadly some laptops do have that.

 

The clips that break in the back are a non issue in my experience. The laptop case stays tight together even without screws. If anything it makes it much easier to open it. When the plastic clips were there, it was annoying to open.

 

Get it from hidevolution.com with liquid metal cooling... the cooling soln is good... but the thermal paste application is another story all together. I have a GP 63, and i find the cooling soln sufficient to game non stop for a day. I know for a fact if i replaced the thermal paste, my laptop will be running much cooler. - I did undervolt it though.

 

Please do not only think from the perspective of syntheticly stressing the Cpu with a specific tool. There are many games which are notably Cpu intensive. Some of them are listed on the link below:

https://techguided.com/most-cpu-intensive-games/

A normal user would want to play them without having to putting hands off from the laptop surface due to overheating and it must not be considered "normal" gaming behavior. 8750H is running badly hot and MSI apparently have stayed there helpless cooling down it. No factory optimization though. Many Youtube reviews and online resources tell that it would easily go beyond 90-95 degrees during gaming with Cpu intensive games which is totally unacceptable, forum posts do proove it though.

You are very true. What I see is 8750H is very hot on any gaming laptop even with light usage, and with gaming it is burning like hell. The question is, why do users still require to find solutions using their own methods such as undervolting, repasting since ages? Isn't it the job of engineers/designers as they are paid to project and preview the consequences of overheating as it is extremely obvious that 8750H can't live long with stock temps, without challenging with it to cool it down? I was about to buy GP63 which is a great budget laptop, sleek design with its decent specs, but as far as it has 8750H with no factory optimization, I totally gave up buying it, as many other brands have this hell with 8750H ranging from HP Omen to Dell variants, Asus models are hot, too. I still can't accept that MSI has made a difference at cooling as much as it is advertised and praised, no.

 

It is bad design. I love Acer's design when it comes to easily disassembling hard drive and memory units as they are more frequently replaced parts, each unit have seperate covers with dedicated screws. Older Acer models were allowing direct access to Cpu fan either to clean. Asus is horrible/even nightmare with Rog models, and MSI is just like other normal brands, wanting you to remove whole back cover VERY CAREFULLY even after loosening all the screws and applying extra counter-pressure to make it come off.

 

They all break, and the lid should be opened from the middle to prolong life expectancy of hinges.
Acer does have systems that are difficult to work on. This all comes down to how thin/compact the machine is, especially ultrabooks.

 

The problem is not really the cooling capacity but rather the fact that these chips come unnecessarily overvolted, generating loads of extra heat... for example, my gt75 reached 91C under prime95 and up to 80C running cpu demanding games (ac: origins). After being undervolted, it ran about 10C cooler even on stock paste.... so I assume the same will happen to other laptops despite the 8750H being power limited in those (gt75 is not tdp limited and does not power throttle under load hence the insane temps as the cpu draws double the watts it would in any other laptop). The ge or gp series are power limited hence the temps are still somewhat under control despite lesser cooling capacity and the overvolt situation... but I agree that over 90C is not good, especially if you plan to render videos on it or sth at some point.
Anyway, with proper paste and an undervolt the temps will be a non-issue even with prime95. Does not even need to be liquid metal.