MSI 1012 or MSI 1013...Confused!

Hi; would appreciate your input on these two MSI models.

MSI 1012 is a PM centrino chip
vs. the MSI AMD Turion chip

Are there any reasons to choose either or?How about putting a 60G HDD at 7200RPM in these chasis; any problem with the heating/fan?

Much appreciated,
SL

 

I am looking at the 1013. In my opinion I think intel is over priced for what you get. I also like the range of CPU choices you get use with the 1013.
Scott

 

I thought that too. Then a couple of Q's:

1. How to the CPU differe when they come to multitasking (manyapplications running at one time), Speed, complex simulations (mathematical) [i am not familiar with the technical stuff hence the questions (AMD vs. IP)
2. High end specs (max specs) on each one which on ewould you buy, and why?
3. What retailer are you looking at? xmeld or jrtech, or other I am not aware of?

again, many thanks and much appreciated,
SL

 

Okay: here is a link that deals with these brands side by side: http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=105175

 

From what I understand on the 1013 you can use the 25 watt mobile sempron, mt turions (i'd imagine the ml's too) and I believe the mobile amd 64. you can get a sempron for $75. Since I'm getting married soon and one of my dogs just had surgery that's the route I'll be going and upgrade when the turion comes down in price some. I think RAM and Hard disk speed are more important than cpu when it comes to having tons of apps open and overall usage. I am looking for a retailer that accepts returns. xmeld does not, exchange only. rjtech didn't have the 1013 last time i checked. I was looking on froogle and I saw some pretty good prices. I will not do business with anybody that doesn't accept returns.
good luck.
scott

 

Scott, I was following your posts as well on the other forums. and again thanls for the input. I will see froogle.

Edit: Besides xmeld and jrtech do you know off hand other places where full-systems are built. I am not a computer techie so will not be assembling a whole system on my own. Froogle yileds only parts for the MSI.
Sl

 

Here is what I am dreaming about:

LAPTOP, MS-1013 Turion™ 64 Ultraportable Series Laptop, 12.1" WXGA LCD, ATI® Radeon® Xpress 200M Graphics
# MICROSTAR, MS-1013B Notebook Barebone, ATI® RS480M, 12.1" WXGA TFT LCD, ATI® Radeon® Xpress 200M Graphics
# AMD, Turion™ 64 MT-37 2.0GHz, 1MB L2 cache, 25W, 90nm, 754-pin lidless mPGA
# DDR333, 2GB (Qty 2 x 1GB) PC-2700 DDR 333MHz SDRAM SODIMM, Non-ECC
# TOSHIBA, 80.0GB MK8026GAX, 5400-RPM, 16MB cache, 9.5mm, EIDE
# LAPTOP, Dual-Layer DVD-R/RW Notebook Optical Drive
# LAPTOP, Built-in 3-in-1 MMC/SD/MS Media Card Reader
# MICROSTAR, MP54GBT2 Combo IEEE 802.11b/g WLAN + Bluetooth Wireless Adapter, MiniPCI (for MS-1013 & MS-1029 n/b only)
# MICROSOFT, Windows XP Home Edition
# WARRANTY, Assembled and Tested (1 Year Limited Parts, Lifetime Labor Warranty)

All this for just over$1500.

Now here is what I am asking:

Is 2G RAM going to eat my battery? Is it necessary 9or is the performance difference negligible after 1GIG RAM? Is the HDD good enough (performace wise)? Any opinion otherwise? Is the fan-noise there, and if so is it expected/or negligible. Once I get my answers i may just get one. Much apprecited

Greetings,
SL

 

Might want to look at the Fujitsu s2110. Also has the Turion MT.

 

The S2110 comes with a 1.6 Ghz CPU, and if I add more specs to meet these to this the price just rockets to close to 2K. What is 'good" about the Fujitsu over the MSI? or am i missing something?

Tah,
SL

 

The screen and the build quality will be better, but it will be more expensive.

 

have you checked out the msi forum on laptoplogic? there are a few good threads over there pertaining to the 1013. you may want to consider getting ddr 400 ram instead. personally i don't have any experience with any desktop or laptop with more than 1 gig so i can't comment on that. i would personally stay away from toshiba hard drives. check out the ibm 7k100 series. more money but from what i understand well worth it. if you want the intel version discountlaptops sell the pronote model at a good price pre-built.
good luck
scott

 

Was wondering of there were any offers for this? Tah,
SL

 

i don't think so: top turion has 2 times smaller L2 cash, so that saves you 50-100$ vs. pentium-m at the cost of performance: you get what you've paid for.

 

go to your favorite computer parts store and compare intel vs amd chips. for the most part, you will pay more for the intel chip. like i said personally i think intel is over priced. i don't think the extra money is worth it.
scott

 

Sempron and Turion may be good competitors of Intel Celeron M chips,
but not of Pentium M. I personally prefer to pay more $50-100 (actually,
I have to pay more 50-100Euro here) to get better performance.

I also think, that if someone is producing cheaper chips which are cheaper only because they don''t match the top market available parameters, then this product should be treated as second class and priced respectively.

AMD competition of Intel is more a marketing story than a reality, though it may change in future, and it's good so.

 

you can think what you want of amd. if the the pentium m is so great than why do laptops that are using the latest centrino packages have heat problems? the revised dv1000, t43 and sony 460 all experience heat problems.
scott

 

Yes, they do, and the laptops using amd chips even more so, if you think of the heat-per-performance. I also consider as an advantage of PM chips vs. AMD ones that the former switch off when overheated while the latter just burn down. My impression is that gloryfication of AMD chips has some ideological flavour (similar to the anti-nuclear energy movement) rather than based on the real performance per cost value.

 

this can go on all day...you think intel is better and i think amd is better...let's leave it at that.
scott

 

...........

 

read this thread in regards to P-M (Dothan) vs Turion
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/

it basically opted for Turion. performance and battery life were roughly the same (P-M having very slightly more life, while t urion having very slightly more performance).. but was significantly cheaper

 

Those are first benchmarks which claim that Turion overperforms PM.
It's interesting. The fact that Turion slightly overperforms PM in arithmetic benchamrks is no news to me, though. Conecerning the battery life,
I wonder how 35 Watt Turion ML can be on par with 25 Watt PM.

The issue is if the benchmarks used actually are testing applications where the advantage of 2 time bigger L2 cache of PM comes into play. I don't know that.

Thanks for the interesting link. It's always good to know that the world around may be different than one thought it is.

 

you're telling me. I was a hardcore Intel PM fan and was pretty surprised by this offering. Combined with reviews of some of the latest Turion notebooks, it doesn't seem too different from an eqiuvelent PM model :decision:

but heat is another issue

 

I am also hesitating between a S260 (PM 730) and a S270 (MT30), both with 60GB 5400rpm, 768 DDR333, white case with 8 cells battery.

I worry about the battery life: I would like to be able to work up to 5h with it.
On other forums, some users says they reach 4:45 with divx playing on a S260 with max brightness, others only 3h with a S270 (MT30) on same conditions.
On the other hand, the laptologic review says that the ML is consuming less than the PM in some cases...

 

Hello I am new here. I was wondering if anyone has the actuall weight of the s260 and the s270. I have seen these two with different lb's on different pages so if anyone has one and can wiegh it or have actuall acurate weight, that would be great. Also does the pearl white look actually white like the whitebooks or is it more silver? thanks I'm looking into configuring one of these. I really like the MSI 1012 but it doesnt come in white, am I right?

 

Fully configured weight with the 8 cell battery is right about 4.5lbs.

 

According to other forums, the average 8 cells battery lifetime is arround 3:30 on the S270 and 4:30 on the S260.
Both models (1012 = 260 and (1013 = 270) are sold in black or white

 

Anyone knows the price differences of an S260 and S270? I found this MS1012 at $1149 Canadian:

MSI MS-1012 Whitebook Solution Intel 915GM "Intel Celeron 1.4 60GB HDD 512MB 12.1" Wide XGA 16:10 TFT DVD Writer Build In 802.11 b/g

Is it a good deal? How much will it be the MS-1013 with the same setup?

 

Just for record, there is a review of S270 in German:
http://www.computerpartner.de/tests/neu/200445/index.html

Page 2 contains results of some benchmarks and measurements
(eg battery life 1:38H and display brightness 207 cd/m²).

If someone is interested to translate it electronically please post it here to help others.

 

Well, less than 2 hours of battery is definitely a deal breaker.

 

If you still remember which forum stated that 1012 can achieve that 4:30 battery life, we will be very pleased if you can post a link, thanks.

 

Just for record, there is a review of S260 in German:
http://www.minitechnet.de/msi_s260_01.html

Pages 8-9 contain results of some benchmarks and measurements.
In particular, the battery life in idle is 4h 18m, in full load (burn-in test) 2h 12m.
The noise level is told to be below 35dB (that doesn't say much).


If someone is interested to translate it electronically please post it here to help others.

 

Another very useful review of MSI s270 (1013) with more details about the display quality, temperatures, etc. (translated from a German version):

http://en.notebookcheck.com/Test_Review_MSI_Megabook_S270.125.0.html

You can compare it with the review of MSI s260 (1012) done by the same lab (which is available only in German, sorry):

http://www.notebookcheck.com/laptop/content/view/654/65/

 

Thanks for the links but I do not read german.

 

Can you translate S260 lower page 10 tables? Something like pros/cons suitable/unsuitable?

 

I want a computer less than 4 lbs...now didnt one of their models come in 1.8kg or 3.9 something lbs. which one is that...4.5 lbs is a little too heavy to put in my bag to carry around...I really like the screen though and the design but I the weight is making me think twice between this or the travelmate 3002.

 

was that the s260 or s270? isnt the s260 lighter?

 

depends on the battery. and whether you use a magnetic HD or a Flash HD . i think theyre mainly shipping with the 8 (or is it 6?) cell which is smaller than some others but still props the back a bit like a footrest. im about to go try to find the normal one, 2 hours is plenty of time and i want this thing sleek and a touch lighter

 

MS-1012 8-cell battery is 4.5lbs and 4-cell battery is 4lbs. the difference is about 0.5lbs but you get 4 hours battery life with 8-cell version. Travelmate has almost the same weight but more expensive though and you cannot customize.

 

http://www.notebook-foren.de/board/showthread.php?t=761&page=84 (in german)