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    MS-1039 Heatsink question

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by tamzarian, Jun 8, 2006.

  1. tamzarian

    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi, I have yet ANOTHER question about my new MS-1039!

    During the install, I noticed some bluish-white gel-type substance stuck to the bottom of my fan and heatsink. In my haste to put this thing together, I ripped it off and threw it away. Did that blue square transfer heat somehow? I am asking this because when I run BF2, it will play for about 30 seconds in-game and then my new lappy just shuts off! Not a clue why, other than an overheating video card.
     
  2. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    It's your processor that's overheating. The substance you pulled off was undoubtedly thermal paste. It conducts heat between the processor and the heatsink. In a laptop, with the heatsink alone, you won't last long as far as temps are concerned...especially when gaming.

    If you are unfamiliar with the innerworkings of the laptop, you should really read up. You could do a great deal of damage inadvertantly. My father pulled his processor and heatsink off in one swoop, then tried to put it back just like that. Totally wrecked the processor (on his desktop of course).

    Please pay attention to directions, and know that everything in there serves a purpose...unless it says TAKE THIS OFF BEFORE TURNING ON.

    What you'll have to do is take it apart again, clean the heatsink with very pure isopropyl alcohol, and reapply new thermal paste. I recommend Arctic Silver 5, it is the best!

    You can find AS5 on Newegg.com. BE SURE TO FOLLOW APPLICATION DIRECTIONS EXACTLY...find them here... http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

    Without some type of conductive material (paste, pad, etc) your computer will not run stable.

    Sorry for the bad news.
     
  3. tamzarian

    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    I installed some AS5 when I bought my MS-1039. I also put those blue things back on (they aren't square anymore though ;)). My CPU temps are now at 60c (which is HIGH) and my fan isn't on as much. I can also see that my PC hasn't shut itself off since I put that blue stuff back in. Dunno if its because my house is so hot on the inside or what. There were 2 blue things on the fan (which attached to the vid card) and one on the actual heatsink part (which attached to the cpu, but the blue part didn't directly touch the CPU) Maybe I'll put the other blue one back on the heatsink?
     
  4. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    I'm sorry, I guess I'm a little confused as to what exactly the blue things are.

    Depending on your region and ambient temp, 60 degrees isn't terrible; especially considering most processors are rated to operate to around 85C. Heat is damaging, though, are you sure you properly applied the AS?

    In any case, the CPU would be the component shutting the PC down, not the video card.
     
  5. tamzarian

    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hey man, I think I owe you ALOT!

    I just smeared (not literally) AS5 all over my GPU and processor.

    The temp (right now after turning it on) is at an UNBELIEVABLE 46c!!!!!

    Thanks alot!
     
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    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    Haha, no problem! Glad I could help a bit. That stuff works wonders.
     
  7. tamzarian

    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    eehhhh....

    Sorry to get your hopes up, but now a few hours later, it's randomly shutting off again. Even at low temps. I think there might be a faulty video card in my machine :(
     
  8. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    Well if it's not temps, it must be something else right? Lol, well you could try disconnecting most things and then piece by piece reconnect things making sure nothing is wrong.

    I assume everything is right in there, but you never know.

    Good luck, I hope you don't have to wait for a replacement part. That would delay enjoyment of your new toy. :(
     
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    Does that void warrenty?
    I got a huge tube of Arctic ceramique that i bought a year ago... and would like to use the pasty white thermal stuff once more...
     
  10. tamzarian

    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    I put thermal paste on basically every part that the heatsink and fan touches, and it's working great now. It runs VERY hot, about 60c at idle, and 70c+ doing other things (Like playing Oblivion). Poor little Turion :(.
     
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    RMClock is your friend. Your Turion probably doesn't need to run on 1.35v at its full speed. Mine runs full speed perfectly OK on 1.2v. :)
     
  12. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    According to the directions for application, putting too much on can negate the effect of the AS5. If it works I suppose you can use it, but be aware that proper application might work better...at least on the processor. As far as the GPU, you can use some on there.

    I would also recommend using an undervolting utility. They give your fans a break. :)
     
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    tamzarian Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for the tips everyone, I'll try to do some undervolting and I'll be sure to let you know how things work out.

    EDIT: I downloaded RMClock, but I don't have a clue how to use it. Is there a tutorial somewhere?

    EDIT 2: I figured it out, and after undervolting mt turion to .850 (anything less and it wont work) my idle CPU temp is 45c! Thanks everyone, this forum is really great.
     
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    so does the barebones warrenty become a issue when applying thermal paste? to the cpu/gpu cores?
     
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    I REALLY hope not! If it does, then my warranty is long gone :(
     
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    Does anyone actually have information on if AS5 voids MSI warr? Also on AS5 you are supposed to use as little as possible to get good contact between whatever and heatsink, otherwise it is possible to do more harm than good.
     
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    I beleive it violates most manufacturers warrantys, they consider tampering with designed equipment. However if you don't destroy the pads when you take them off and store them safely to be reapplied later I doubt they would know if it had to go back just make to clean it well.
     
  18. ttupa

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    Read the instructions for AS 5 on the previous page of this thread. It gives specific application requirements for maximum effectiveness. The amound does depend on the processor to which it is applied.