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    MS-1029 heat problem

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by michalp, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. michalp

    michalp Newbie

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    I have recently assembled a MS-1029 notebook, but I am quite worried about the high cpu temperature reading that I am getting. The cpu can probably handle it, but I don't know about the reliability of the rest of the system at those temperatures.
    When I first put the notebook together I have used the original heatsink paste the cpu was showing 75c at full load and 63c at idle.
    Now I have followed everyone advice about AS5. I have thoroughly cleaned both heatsinks (cpu and agp) with the arcticleaner and carefully applied the AS5 paste.
    Now the readings are a bit better, but still not enough.
    68-70c at full load and 57c at idle.

    The processor is: Turion MT-37

    Is anyone having similar problems or knows of any other solutions besides AS5?
     
  2. Hucsman

    Hucsman Notebook Consultant

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    I had the exact same problem when I put mine together.

    Turns out I didn't use enough AS5 and the heatsink was not in good contact with the components.
    Run something intensive in both GPU and CPU for about an hour so the paste will loosen. Open up the laptop an remove the heatsink, clean both heatsink and components. Reapply AS5, try using a little more this time around (I would describe as buttering a loaf of bread; it should not be too much but do forget about the "microscopic layer" concept, do NOT go further than the cores). Rescrew the heatsink in and tighten the screws as much as you can. Also, I'm assuming that you can hear the fan working.
     
  3. ttupa

    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    Yeah, I'd make sure you can hear the fans working.

    But, applying AS5 wrong has a LOT more of an effect than I originally thought as well.
     
  4. michalp

    michalp Newbie

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    Thank you for the advice.
    I'll try this out.

    The fan is working.
     
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    ttupa Tech Elitist NBR Reviewer

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    Make sure you read the Arctic Silver directions EXACTLY for your specific processor type. If you put too much on it can actually have an adverse effect on your temperatures because it's not filling the microscopic pores correctly.

    When you clean the contacts, make sure you use the right amount of cleaner. Don't blow on them, don't use anything that has particles that could get trapped in the pores.

    Also, the AS is designed to get better with time. The more you cycle it from cold to hot (running) and back, the better it works into the system. This process is called "burn-in", and many people will use something like "Prime95's torture test" to see if the temps/processor will be stable. Temps won't continually get better, but my point is that it won't be working as efficiently as possible until it works itself in (after a few cycles).

    Don't lose hope, you've got a great machine!
     
  6. michalp

    michalp Newbie

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    Adding more AS5 helped a bit 2-3c.
    I think I have possibly found the problem.
    I have used an external temperature gage to find the source of the highest heat. On the outside both cpu and agp heatsinks don't run higher than 50c, however there is another spot that seems to generate most of the heat (60c at full load). I have circled it on the picture.
    board.jpg
    Could that be the motherboard chipset?
    Any suggestions?

    Also I am assuming that there would be a significant difference in internal cpu temperature and the temperature that I have measured on the outside of the heatsink. The software that I have used is AMD Dashboard.
     
  7. Hucsman

    Hucsman Notebook Consultant

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    How exactly are you defining "idle"?

    Mine is on the lower 40s three minutes after boot an running only firefox (with previous downloads of outlook email and virus definitions). Some three minutes later, still with only firefox (and dashboard), it will scale up to 47, and after some 30 minutes it seems to peak at 51-52.
     
  8. Rufus98687

    Rufus98687 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've had mine up to 75C using CPU/GPU intensive games. Most games I stay between 60-65C. Under normal windows tasks I'm at 50C.

    From what I've read so far this seems to be normal. Freaked me out at first because I was used to desktop temps. It appears that these temps are not as obscene as they seem.
     
  9. michalp

    michalp Newbie

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    It looks like it is similar. After I switch the power on the temperature is also in the lower 40s. After 30 min it slowly rises up to 57-58c (with just firefox and dashboard open) which I guess is not a huge difference.
    The Prime95 torture test seems to peak at 72c and usualy stay at 70-71c.
     
  10. michalp

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    So this seems normal then.
    So far I have only had one crash with 3dmark05, otherwise everything else seems stable.
    Interestingly enough 3dmark05 usually gives me results between 2158-2230 but 2 times I had a strange result of about 1200.