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Noticed all of the new MSI rtx laptops come with the Killer 1550i wifi card, is killer still a no go? I know they used to drop signal all the time just trying to figure out if thats still the case. Hopefully HIDevolution allows a upgrade to the intel brand.
They usually do allow upgrades of the wireless cards on all models. I wouldn't touch a Killer product with a 10 foot pole! If you have a Killer product, the moment you get online the Windows Store app will install the Killer so called Performance App for you to help you limit bandwidth of certain apps and give priority to others! No thanks! Leave my freakin' connection alone! That's why we have fast internet.
Exactly, I emailed Donald asking so well see, I’ll report back what he says. I could probably open it up and swap it myself but I’d like to avoid that if possible.
Think I’m going with the GE75, don’t want the i9 or two power bricks. Watched a teardown of a ge73(similar chassis) looks pretty easy however I’d rather have it done before I get it.
Pretty sure the card is manufactured by Intel anyway, just has the killer software on it. Removing the network manager and doing a driver only install (per Killer's site, they actually have instructions to do so) should still be an option if it causes trouble.
Or I read somewhere that turning off a setting in that software effectively erases all the problems with it but I haven't had my hands on a problem one to test if that's accurate.
Mine came with the Killer 1435, earlier version, however all I have installed is the driver and no software. I keep the Windows Store closed but it's still installed, so maybe it doesn't look at the older card cause nothing new has come up. I do however have an issue where the Killer Networks card doesn't come back after the laptop suspends/sleeps. I have to shut down and restart (soft reboot won't do it.) Not a big issue but other than that I've never dropped connection or had any other problems so far. The only other option is an Intel card, right? I've heard good and bad on those too so who knows?
@Ultra Male has done extensive troubleshooting on these cards and has a review in here.
Yeah I'm using the Intel 9260 and I have 2 other Killer 1550 cards in the drawer. They are the same chipset, with the same driver, but you don't get the Killer BS apps automatically installed if you have the Intel! that's the major plus point.
My issue with the Killer software is unlike in the past where you had to install the Killer Performance Suite to have it, now it gets auto installed through the Windows Store like a freakin' virus or something if you have any LAN or WLAN card in your system that says Killer in it. Hence why I would go Intel every time even though the WLAN cards are the same for now.
My other gripe is yes I can uninstall it, but it leaves registry entries behind and needs manual cleanup.
Killer has an exe that does that now I believe, though getting an intel card and not having to do it in the first place is preferable for most end users.
What!? So that basically kills the whole consumer-side point of UWPs, if UWPs aren't actually containerized and gated from the rest of the machine. Leaving behind useless registry entries is something I'd expect from a Win98SE shareware program, not a system that was supposed to compete with Apple's App Store.
Well it does leave behind registry entries and it does install the Killer Networking Service. Hence why you need a separate uninstaller. Just like you would when uninstalling an Anti-Virus. Still baffles me that at this day and age developers are too lousy to create a proper uninstaller that removes everything their app/driver has installed without the use of 3rd party apps like Revo Uninstaller or Geek Uninstaller. This is so 1996
Thanks, I will keep this in mind if/when I upgrade. I normally don't use the windows store at all, but I do have a couple of games I might want to play before upgrading laptops just to never use it again
Well even if you wanna use the Windows Store and the Killer app gets auto installed, simply uninstall it and use O&O ShutUp10 to prevent suggested apps from the Windows Store to install although for the first time it seems to slip away and still install but after you uninstall it, it's gone.
Will the wireless show as killer in device manager even with the Intel drivers? Mine auto installs as killer after reboot.
No I'm not connected to the internet.
Huh? there are no Killer or Intel Drivers! the drivers for the Killer 1550 are from Intel. Period. They work on the Killer because it is an Intel card with a rebadged name. It will show as Killer still in device manager with a 9260 in parentheses if my memory serves me correctly but that means nothing. It's the same exact card as the Intel 9260.
We said that the Killer 1550 and Intel 9260 are the same exact card, only the Killer one is rebadged with the Killer name and in turn, if you have it in your system, it will install the Killer Software automatically without your consent which no one needs.
I just shake my head in disbelief with what I've read from some posts in this thread.
I've owned awful wireless cards from Realtek and Intel that I replaced with Killer cards or better Intel cards.
My 1525 was one of my best ever.I never owned or used a 1535.
I'll bet most of you that are saying bad things about the Killer 1550 know far more about under volting and overclocking CPU and GPU than about wireless connectivity.
I have a 1550 in a PCIe adapter in a desktop built on an MSI Z370 gaming mainboard and in a 5 year old MSI GS60.The Killer 1550 works super well in both the desktop and notebook.
I pair the 1550 with a Netgear R7800 router using 5ghz channels 36-48 and get theoretical data speeds of up to the 1,733.3 Mbps limit while averaging 1,300 Mbps.
I have 200 Mbps Internet service that speedtests at 260Mbps.
Files sent across devices on the home network client to client or to attached storage reach over 120 MB/s
I also own an Intel 9260.
It's my intention to upgrade both Killer 1550 with Killer AX cards once I'm able to secure them.
Visit the Networking forum and ask for help if you need it.
Run a DNS speed test and use the Pv4 and Pv6 secure ones for privacy and speed.
Good wireless home networking takes a lot more than wishing it so.
Put the same amount of effort in your wireless as you do in other part of your system and see the difference.
I personally only dealt with killer cards in my recent MSI laptops, and my only problem was the control center or software itself, not the hardware nor drivers. I do agree we could all learn more about other aspects of our machines, and personally I am very ignorant when comparing wireless cards, and if possible almost always try to use wired connection.
What do you suggest I can use to learn more about wireless cards?
The issue with the adapter not appearing in Device Manager after the machine is suspended is usually due to an outdated BIOS. The BIOS is responsible for powering the machine back up from sleep, including each individual component so, if your wireless device is missing upon return from sleep, this will be a BIOS issue. Make sure the BIOS is up to date and, if you still encounter the same problem, report it to the machine manufacturer. Chipset drivers can also play a part, so make sure your chipset drivers are up to date from the machine manufacturer's support page or, if you have an older machine, you might have better luck using chipset drivers from the chipset manufacturer directly (probably Intel).
The Windows Store does not automatically install the Killer Control Center. If the Killer Control Center is installed automatically, it is through Windows Update, and was pushed by the machine or motherboard manufacturer. We do not push updates through any service, as most of our users prefer to update when they choose to do so. However, we cannot control when our hardware partners decide to push a version of the Killer Control Center through Windows Update. This is why we developed a "stub" driver to block Windows Update downloads of the Killer Control Center. If that's how you want to go, you can find the guide for that here -
https://www.killernetworking.com/ki...how-do-i-get-rid-of-the-killer-control-center.
You are correct in that we do not remove all registry entries. This is because unnecessary deleting of registry keys can be problematic, so we only remove the keys that can affect performance. We prefer to be very conservative to edits we make with your registry.
All that said, there are many people who swear by the Killer Control Center, and the latency difference is pretty obvious when playing just about any real-time online game. Of course, most of what you see on public forums are complaints, because that's just how the Internet works. The Killer Control Center orders the packets leaving your machine by priority, causing latency-sensitive applications and services to return first, resulting in a cumulative effect of reduced latency. This can reduce latency no matter how fast your Internet is, as Internet speed and latency are not the same thing.
I would suggest anyone with a Killer adapter try their favorite online game with an updated version of the Killer Control Center installed, and then see for themselves if there is a difference.
Wi-Fi drops with any networking adapter are usually due to the wireless environment, outdated drivers, or the wireless access point. If you do decide to get a machine with our adapter in it, you can always reach out to me for support using the links in my signature below.
I will check on my drivers. My machine is last generation so it's bound to need some driver updates. Pretty sure the BIOS is up to date but I will check again.
On my GT62VR it's updated and i still got the same issue. It's either MSI or them. But MSI support is ridiculous on this, i've tried to let them know about the issue for two weeks and of course they didn't even consider the idea i was maybe saying something right or something that is confirmed by Killer Networking staff everywhere.
To be honest all the junk that comes with killer Control Center is useless for me, i don't consider it worth the space it occupies and it doesn't make me have a better connection like they try to explain to clueless people. I don't want that junk in my laptop anymore, it has to be updated far more than the drivers need to.
If this doesn't work for some reason, you can try looking into your router/access point. We change wifi cards and devices much more than our routers. Most people don't even update their router firmware for security/performance flaws and in my experience, a good deal of issues with connectivity have been the router as well as the wifi card.
If that doesn't resolve the issue for you, please reach out to us directly by filling out the form here -
http://support.killernetworking.com/submit-a-ticket/ - which will also allow you to submit a diagnostic.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
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