Is the MSI's ''SUPER RAID'' only just a FAKE ???

Just want to know if this MSi kind of RAID feature as they calling it Super RAID .. proper ?

Does it works properly ?
Does this supports TRIM ?
Doses your SSDs loosing speed ???
Does your SSD been degrading ??

Please who has experienced this kind of really big problem pls. join to conversation .. really important ..

First victim is here ; http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/747505-msi-gs70-stealth-pro-theard-132.html#post9905259

 

Hopefully both resellers and Geno can look into this and will give you answers to your questions.

But please refrain from namecalling and falsely accusing. Super Raid is not synonymous with TRIM. There are no victims of something it did or didn't have to begin with.

 

Here is no any accusation man... ! it is just alarm that ppl should gather their speed tests after months of using RAID 0.. It is really important...
First guy just mentioned that his raid 0 stagnating ..


EDIT : found something ... same question and nobody tells that guy he acusing ??? or namecalling ???

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1766184/mobile-intel-hm87-raid-hardware-fake-raid.html

 

MSI relies on the intel raid controller (Like all notebooks), each drive uses a full independent SATA channel. TRIM over raid is dependant on the drive, firmware and drivers installed.

 

We are not the same mods on tomshardware. It is good to ask questions and to participate. I don't think being alarming about a term such as "super raid" and saying it is fake will help the purpose of finding an answer.

Meaker already proposed an answer, so o need to go into full panic mode. Relax and lets see what we can find.

 

OK No problem..
But this is the MAIN thing that I am nearly decided to throw £1000 to get MSi laptop JUST for Super RAID0 ..

 

Yeah I know that is why I posted link from that site..
But managing TRIM in RAID mode should take care software called IRST
as well as individual SSD...
But to be honest all SSDs in year 2014 or 2015 standardly support TRIM that is like normal .. without mentioning..
I heard they supporting it quite some time ..

 

Does it works properly ? Yes, being a basic RAID it works perfectly well.
Does this supports TRIM ? Yes, this is supported through Intel driver.
Doses your SSDs loosing speed ??? Eventually it will as you fill up storage capacity.
Does your SSD been degrading ?? Hopefully this kind of report is less than 10% because it does depend on the integrity of device, if it's defective then it can happen.

Regarding this guy's issue from [ http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/747505-msi-gs70-stealth-pro-theard-132.html#post9905259], the speed can be restored using SSD manufacturer's tool to perform a true erase of SSD (aka Secure Erase).

 

Alright thnx, will let him know..
But he said his samsung ssd is fine
That toshiba making trouble..

 

Yep. Secure erase didnt help to my toshiba, but samsung work well. But cant find officialy erase tool therefore use hdtune full erase.

Anyway need more test from other people.

 

Sounds like that toshiba ssd might be faulty?
Try flash or reflash firmware..

 

I have a x3 disk RAID0 array and trim is functioning fine.

"SuperRAID" is just a term to describe the fact that you can have 3 drives; since RAID arrays get speedier as you add member drives .. they just decided to call it "SuperRAID" to describe that capability. There is no proprietary voodoo going on ..

 

"Super Raid" simply guarantees that all ports involved are dedicated SATA III channels. The generation of super raid is how many of them are available.

 

Try using diskpart to clean the partition, then do quick format.
Verify the speed afterwards.

 

yeah i know it is msi's calling.. but for desktops there is different raid setup where u buy HW raid cards which are very expensive and you connect all drives to that card.. Some ppl call THAT ''real'' RAID ..
But they are more and more forgotten as PCIe SSDs are prefered these days..

 

It achieves the same goal, so it's called RAID anyway.
This is unregulated so any company can call it anything they want but it does not change the fact that these are still software-based RAID solutions.

 

Notice that most decent raid controllers have their own heatsinks and devices, the added cost and power mean that putting them in notebooks is a dubious option, couple that with the lack of interfaces to provide them with decent bandwidth and it makes it less desirable.

 

Yeah no point as these cards are mainly used in servers.. but checked and it is less and less info about them as SSDs goes lower and lower with prices every month..

Really want to know IF there is any benefit to have RAID 0 set up in laptops nowadays .. or just have one SSD installed ..

 

Although the actual throughput has increased, that tiny difference is hard to notice.

 

For most users I agree, a single larger drive is the best option in most cases. There are fringe cases such as working with super high resolution video content or other specific applications.

 

Yeah.. Think RAID been designed for slow HDDs in past to boost servers up OR MAINLY for RAID 1 and RAID 5 for mirroring / securing files in case of HW failure...
Now am thinking of new usb 3.1 coming up so fast.. SATA is scrap soon then..
I wanna have SSDs connected via usb 3.1

 

SATA Express is coming with a lot of more performance (1969 MB/s) than what SATA can offer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA_Express
So we are just patiently waiting for SATA Express.

 

Well that's what the M.2 PCI express slots are basically. They are a little ad hoc on the current chipsets so hopefully we see greater support on the next chipsets.

 

USB data transfers work in burst speeds also, so that theoretical maximum is seen somewhat erratically. SATAe is more ideal for mass storage.

 

I already have 2, mSata drives in RAID0 I will eventually need more space I was wondering if this so called "Super Raid" works for a Sager/Clevo setup? with something like this http://www.hidevolution.com/msi-sup...42-01s.html?___store=default&___store=default I am thinking probably not because it looks strange but it is said to work with standard SATA3? I am confused I know this is in the MSI forum but its MSI hardware and this topic is already made so I thought I would ask. Thanks guys, (sorry to bring up an older thread)

 

MSI use a custom connector with as many sata channels as there are connectors. There is no trickery in the machines, it's the real deal. As such it wont aid you.

 

Trickery? I never said anything about that was just wondering if there is a way for this to work in my laptop all I want to know...as I said I have 2 mSata drives already (the ones in my sig) just came across this info that you could raid, three mSata drives and get like amazing speeds, I have seen adapters on ebay that can take 2 mSata drives and connect it to 1 SATA 3 port, I have also seen adapters that can take 3 of them (these adapters look totally different than this MSI adapter) so was just seeing if it was possible, would be pretty cool if it worked, and sorry I don't really understand your comment, you say its the real deal which I already know it is lol then you say "As such it won't aid you" is this because it is custom? Basiclly is there anyway at all to RAID0 3 or 4 mSata drives in my laptop I have 2x 2.5 slots 2x mSata slots and 1 hdd Caddy slot...thanks Meaker +1 edit..err +2

 

No, there's no way to make it work on your Sager due to incompatibility.
Basically, the connector itself contains 3x SATA connectivity and needs to connect to 3x channels on the motherboard. This is not a multiplexer.

 

Hey thanks so much, then what about the adapters that have 2 or 3 mSata slots that will connect to 1 SATA3 port? here is a link to one of the Adapters I am talking about http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-mSATA-...re-Bootable-/131592666105?hash=item1ea388bbf9 thanks so much!

 

This is a RAID card with ASMedia ASM1092R port multiplier/multiplexer chip on it to perform RAID.
Since it uses 1x SATA connector to create RAID, its performance will be capped at 500MB/s or lower combined.
Additionally, compatibility varies from one product to another, so result will not be the same for everyone.

Official spec:
http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show_products.php?cate_index=139&item=140

 

Yes that would be the trickery I was eluding to, even if you could create some kind of connector converter (a LOT easier said than done) you could only get as many mSATA ports operational as SATA channels you hooked into the connector.

 

Yup, therefore don't get it unless you absolutely know what you are doing.

 

thanks guys for the help you all answered my questions