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    How to setup a multiplier?

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by anybody99, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. anybody99

    anybody99 Notebook Enthusiast

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    today i got my 1722 msi and a t9400 and my question is how to setup a multipler, how do i do that, if you have any resource please let me know.

    my t9400 is from ebay from extremeprocessors it's a c0 stepping.
     
    anybody99, Mar 16, 2009
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  2. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    You can't manually set up the multyplier. All you can do is to Disable/Enable SpeedStep in BIOS.
     
    Genna, Mar 16, 2009
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    well the seller said:

    Dear Friend unlocked of QS is mean no fixed Mulipler, but you still need use BIOS or OC software to adjust the Mulipler, if In OEM, it can't modifed Mulipler

    Qualification Sample is more flexiable^_^
    Intel just open it Free Multipler
    Thanks

    Jason
     
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  4. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    On this model you can't chage the multyplier from BIOS. It doesn't matter that the CPU is with unlocked one. You can try and find a program that can do that under Windows. But still I don't know what will happen. You have to run many and many tests to see is it stable with the higher multipliers. Because you can't change FSB frequiency also.... so it's not very good use this unlocked multiplier. Sorry.
     
    Genna, Mar 16, 2009
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  5. anybody99

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    what will happen if i wont setup a multiplier? i don't even know what the multiplier does anyway, i just want to setup up the laptop.

    and what combination of multiplier will work probably the best?
     
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  6. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    the multyplier is aitomaticly selected. On your CPU is 9.5. But first of all check in the forum about compatibility of this CPU with your laptop. Because I think it was not suppurted without updating BIOS. And to update BIOS you'll need another CPU to start the laptop. But check first about compatibility. There are people here with your type of CPU, I just don't remember about BIOS update.
     
    Genna, Mar 16, 2009
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    OK. So it's a T9400. This makes it 1066MHz quad pumped bus/4 = 0.266GHz actual bus. 2.533GHz/ 0.266GHz = 9.5 default max multiplier. If you're lucky you'll get that.

    If you're even luckier, you'll be able to download software to raise that to something higher.

    If you're unlucky, then the processor will be stuck at something lower like 1.2 GHz or 1.6 GHz.
     
    namaiki, Mar 16, 2009
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  8. anybody99

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    but this is a qs, means multiplier is not fixed. as far as i know the cpu is supported, will try fire it up.

    edit: where can i see the current multiplier that it's default? so that i will know if to try improve it using a software..
     
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    namaiki "basically rocks" Super Moderator

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    Go to cpuid.com and download CPU-z. That program will tell you the CPU model and the multipler.
     
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  10. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    just set it up... then write what is happening. The default multyplier on the OEM chip is as I wrote 9.5. See the link that namaiki provided.
     
    Genna, Mar 16, 2009
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    can't you adjust them with any undervolting program?
     
    aan310, Mar 17, 2009
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    CPU-z shows me a core clock speed of 1596.8 MHz with a T9400
    Even when i'm gaming it still stays at that clock speed. I even had put the power management on "always on" within xp64.
    Does that mean i'm unlucky?
     
    stabby888, Mar 18, 2009
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    It sounds like the processor is stuck on it's lowest multiplier.

    Do you have speedstep enabled?

    Also, what processor is detected in 'Device Manager', if it's the wrong processor, then try delete the processor and let it be redetected.

    I'm still not sure what a QS processor is but if it's anything like an ES (engineering sample) processor, the multiplier might be stuck for good. You could try RMClock as a later resort.
     
    namaiki, Mar 18, 2009
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    Put power management in high performance, check your bios see if its right version for the lappy you have, bios, if wrong can make things act strange lol. :)
     
    catacylsm, Mar 18, 2009
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    Speedstep I disabled via the Bios but the thing is it's an ES cpu.
    Device manager lists it as a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz
    Now the funny thing is rmclock lists the processor at 2.53 Ghz. Now which one should i believe? cpu-z or rmclock? cpu-z is version 1.5 and rmclock is 2.30.0

    power management is already in high performance and the bios i updated to was this: A1722IG6.10S.
     
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    I tried a later version of rmclock and that was showing me a core clock of 1684.64MHz throtteling at 1596 Mhz :(
    But i could fix it by selecting profile and changing the FID and VID to 9.0 and 1.3625V :)
    Now its giving me core: 2527.0 Mhz and Throtteling at 2394.08 Mhz.
    Is it safe to keep the cpu running at those speeds while on ac? and how can i disable the throtteling to let it run at it's intended speed?
     
    stabby888, Mar 18, 2009
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    Most MSI laptops cooling is crazy awesome (From Experience) so im guessing it would be fine keeping it at them speeds although i would probably throttle it down a bit lower, so that idle temp is a bit nicer.

    But use HWMonitor to get us some readings.
     
    catacylsm, Mar 18, 2009
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    ok im back, first laptop supports cpu, second, here's my results, seems multiplier is jumping from 6 to 9.5 on cpu z and other softwares, so what can i do with that to make it fixed possition.

    also, Genna said to disable speedstep in bios, what that does and how it can help.

    here's a screen shoot:
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    it jumps from 9.5 to 6, i also checked with other software like realtemp.

    also temp is 33 on realtmp and 43 in HW Monitor, which one is true.

    also there is a problem with cpu load i think, it loads up to 50% on vista on doing simple task as opening a folder and quickly drops down, maybe that is normal since first time i use vista. thanks. will appriciate if someone will tell me best way to fix multiplier as it might cause the cpu load?

    also this is a qs processor, identified as t9400, in bios says 2.53 ghz
     
    anybody99, Mar 21, 2009
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    Couple of things:

    Intel no longer has "unlocked" engineering chips. Back in the day, ES meant it was like an Extreme Chip, but with the introduction of Extreme Chips, the ES chips are no longer unlocked. If able, you can FSB OC the chips, though via software or turbo function (ID2). The good thing about ES chips is the cheap prices (usually).

    Make sure, Under power settings, your system is set to Performance.

    There really is no harm in Speedstep. As soon as there is even the faintest hint of a load, the speed shoots back up (2.53ghz).
     
    electrosoft, Mar 22, 2009
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    well but i see that the multiplier changes constintly and even got to 10, so it is unlocked i guess. anybody else might answer my other questions, thanks.

    this cheap was cheap, $148 ;)
     
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    Well if your CPU bounces to 50% quite frequently, i would believe HWMonitor because it matches the readings i get on ati catalyst control centre (temp wise) so ive known it to be quite reliable.

    Try and check in task manage which process is hogging the CPU.

    Prehaps try speedstep on and turn power to ballanced, because then the multiplier shifts up and down a bit more frequently, but i think the reason it does this is because it doesn't need to use the full CPU load, less heat (longer lifetime prehaps too?)
     
    catacylsm, Mar 22, 2009
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