How quiet can the MSI GT75 8RG can it get at base frequencies?

I got mine from Hidevolution and had it shipped to the UK and fingers crossed no issues with it down the line and happy with it so far.

 

Phoenix buys from HIDevolution and he lives in Dubai. So they must do an insane job on the laptop and pachaging. When I said high that would be ultra on the games I was playing. The thermal grizzly paste has been tested and in some cases dropped the Temps on some laptops 20 degrees Celsius.

 

We can probably guide you to tweak the machine. I don't have a GT75 myself, but I assume menus are similar. The community here is great to help tweak machines and since you are looking for a non loud machine, I think there is great room for testing. Depending on which version you end up buying, you will tweak multipliers, voltages and fan spin curve. That should net you a machine that works under your needs.

 

Most resellers can ship internationally. I think most do.

Some of the mods seem interesting, I want to try the holed bottom panel. I have the tools, I just haven't had the time. I am also going to repaste soon so I might do both and see how my temps fare. Have you lowered your voltage yet? That alone might help your temps without needing anything extra done, for the time being.

 

I lowered the voltage on cpu. Max temps now when torture stress testing is like 81 or 82 with ambient of 24. It's not that bad I think. I have some gelid gc extreme in the drawer that we will be putting on. I don't like the gpu running at 85 with the jet noise while gaming (that only happens when I play less cpu intensive game as the cpu fan also helps a great deal with gpu temps - playing ac origins I never really see 80 anymore at all since both fans do their job).

 

You got those decibel readings on which config? Were these at ear-level or next to the fans? I really want to know if the GT75 can game out loud without the fans being a nuisance. Thanks!

 

The noise level changes depending on the load, however it can be nuisance at full load because it's very audible.

 

The CPU temps seem fine, if you repaste then you should be good to go in that department.

The GPU is indeed running on the hotter side. I haven't repasted mine since I got it and I rarely hit 80 unless its a demanding game, playing at 4K. So you should get similar temps considering the machine. Or even better temps. A repaste here should do the job as well.

 

I don't hit 80 on gpu as long as cpu fan is up and running - which means that ironically when cpu is hotter, the entire system is colder When only gpu is being used and the second fan is idling around, the temps get up to 86 max... But atm I am more concerned about the driver issues and crashing when idle with artifacts over the entire screen or just simple reboot - under load it is perfectly stable, it only goes wrong when screen times out and should go black but... often that does not work (dump is pointing to nvlddmkm which belongs to nvidia drivers and specifically it throws power state failure. The only other available driver makes my gpu downclock and games stutter severely. I am pretty disappointed).

 

Does the crash always happen? Or after a reboot it seems to work fine?

Drivers are a nightmare when the machine is first released due to new nvidia drivers either not recognizing the hardware, or just plain breaking stuff.

I find it odd that your machine heats more when the CPU is not used much. Since one fan should be dedicated to the GPU and the other to the CPU, you should experience such extreme difference.

In nVidia control panel, are you using Optimal, Adaptive or Max performance? I recommend adaptive. I don't like Optimal and Max performance makes you run hut all the time due to making clocks keep max state.

Your issues remind me of an issue we had with the GT80 and nvidia drivers, that was cause due to sleep and hybrid sleep. These would make the laptop prone to crash 99% of the time when booting, and could be "fixed" by booting, the immediately rebooting. Something within the sleep/hybrid sleep of windows made it unstable. But I don't know if it's remotely the same issue.

I don't think my GT73 is stable when sleeping either. since I don't use it at all, I don't know.

 

It happens 90% of the time. I swear I just went to the wc and came back to black screen... and nothing else. It would not wake up - had to hard reset it. All is good as long as the screen does not time out. I am really disappointed. As for the gpu temps, there is a heatpipe from the VRM's to the cpu fan, I assume that it also helps with overall temps. I just feel like calling msi and asking if I can get my money back after all, the cpu fan makes noise too so it would need to be replaced... considering the price it's just too much of a headache even though I got it as replacement for my gt72vr 6re. I'd rather have my 2000 euro back at this point.... why are they doing this to me... I will call msi tomorrow and ask what can we do with this all.
PS. I am already on adaptive.

 

Hmmm, the screen issue... I think I have experienced it too with my machine. I noticed that when it happened, my LED indicating the dGPU is in use, was turned off. I do suspect it is caused by the nvidia GPU powering off somehow and not powering on again, which is why the screen and all remains black and "Frozen" like that. to me it happens when I close the lid and it wants to go to sleep. If in your case, it is being caused just by the screen turning off, then something is wrong.

Can you do a small test, by keeping something like HWmonitor running, just to sort of... "keep alive" the GPU and then let the screen timeout?

A lot of these issues will still affect users of different models and brands so I want to try troubleshooting as much as possible. But I will not advise just to keep your machine if it's causing trouble. You should do what makes you happy and if this machine is more trouble to you than what you are willing to handle it is perfectly valid to ask your money back. When returning the machine please let MSI know the issues you are experiencing and if possible, how to replicate it, as this will help with future patches/updates or whatever it is needed.

 

It seems fine with hwinfo open. It just successfully entered screen timeout and woke up from it normally more than 10 times. I will let it idle for a little longer with hwinfo up while eating and post an update then. If it works with hwinfo open what would that mean? I did find driver power state failure in dump file pointing at Nvlddmkm.sys or sth like that. Seems just like a driver error to me... I will probably see if it happens with the 397.64 driver (which is broken in games haha) to see if this was fixed as the nvlddmkm is reported in one of the releases in between as fixed. If that works then I would just have to wait till nshittia releases sth that actually works.

 

I do believe it is driver related and I recently installed 391.35 and I experienced this same issue you mention with the black screen. I will check my event list and see if I have the same power failure. But as I mentioned, I noticed the led of the nvidia GPU had powered off despite the system was still on. Since most of the time I keep HWmonitor open, I didn't notice until I closed the software, and let it download steam games, and thats when it happened.

I will see what I can find about this issue and backtrack to see which driver doesn't cause it.

 

I can confirm with hwinfo open there are no issues, the laptop was left to idle for more than 2 hours while watching a movie on tv and it is still up and running. I will use hwinfo now as a workaround for the issue and raise the driver problem with msi.

 

Do you guys/gals also notice a coil whine or quiet shrill at idle fans?

 

No coil whine for me but the cpu fan makes loads of high pitch noise. Try increasing its speed in dragon center to confirm/rule it out. Also test gpu fan the same way. You can do it using advanced mode. Mine is relatively bearable until about 1800rpm, after which it produces lots of noise.
Coil whine in these laptops can usually be tested by comparing balance vs high performance setting (on my gt72vr coil whine was present when not under load with cpu locked at max boost, it disappeared when cpu went lower than 3ghz or when I put load on the cpu.) - this is not the case on my gt75, at least I notice nothing of it over the loud faulty cpu fan.

 

It's mainly the CPU I think, other reviews have said the same Kitguru and Notebookcheck. It has to be a quiet room for me to hear it though.

I agree when it gets warm the fans do kick in and while gaming the GPU fan definitely gets loud but minimised by undervolting so far. I'm not expert enough to mess with Bios and all that.

 

Well I can't argue with what you say cause I swear I can't hear anything over my cpu fan. It's shot. It makes this very bad noise and I even heard it grind when spinning up and down. I will call msi tomorrow and see what can they do for me if I have evidence (not very difficult to capture on video). Anyway, I had coil whine on the gt72vr and it was totally resolved by using balance/comfort mode (cpu would still speed up under load but when under load it did not produce the noise anymore).

 

I'm loving this spahgetti code. MSI or Nvidia. Probably both of them on purpose huh?

 

Many thanks! I will definitely get back to you guys.

I have ordered a modified version from HID with the help of @Donald@HIDevolution. The aim was not to go for extreme gear, but to optimize the setup with noise levels in mind. I would appreciate the forum support and @Phoenix help (somehow I cannot PM you), when I receive the machine.

 

So you ordered this from HIDevolution with the repaste and pads? : MSI GT75 Titan 8RF | [email protected] | 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4/2666Hz Dual Channel | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 w/ 8GB GDDR5 | Dynaudio Tech Speakers 3W *2 + Subwoofer 5W | Killer Wireless-AC 1550 | 17.3" FHD 120 Hz/3ms Screen (G-SYNC) | Samsung 970 Pro 512GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD + 2TB 5400 RPM SATA 6Gb/s 7mm | RGB Mechanical KB | PSU 230W AC | Windows 10 Pro

Could you update on how loud/quiet it is when playing games? I also spoke with Donald and he informed me that (of the high-end laptops) this one would likely be the quietest. This should be even more interesting since the laptop supposedly has the best/loudest speakers.

 

How about specifically during gaming maybe with the "quiet" preset? I heard that the laptop's speakers are one of the best so I wonder if they can over-power the fans during gaming so that you don't notice them. Thanks!

 

Could you update me on fan noise when you get yours? Thanks!

 

Hi,

The GT75 can get loud but if you adjust the fan curve it might be more agreeable for you. I've got the GTX 1080 version which can get really hot especially in this current climate but with the 1070 it should do better as it's not as power hungry.

 

You can't really silence the fan noise as it requires to cool off the system components under load. It will be 100% no matter which mode you choose.

 

Play with headset, you will hear the laptop fans making noise, always.

No laptop is immune to that, the fans also have sound signatures that make them standout/more noticiable than any sound from a game, unless you play something with pink-noise.

 

Making sure you preform the necessary maintenance to keep them free of dust/pet hair etc. Will help to keep the fans running properly and prevent excessive noise.

 

I suspect the 1070 version will be power limited just as in the gt73vr and gt72vr. That alone will get him good temps. They used to cap it at 120w which even my bf's desktop 1060 can reach... actually pretty curious if that's still the case.