GT73vr 7RF vs 6NE

Hi there MSI owners and experts of this forum I need your help. Sorry in advance for long post!

I recently purchased an Asus g701vi with 6700hq, 16gb ram (one stick so single channel) and gtx 1080. I could tell in games and benchmark programs that the CPU was bottlenecking the GPU, and the cooling was horrible. Without undervolting -100 I would reach 93c (gpu 87) and throttle, even with undervolting I would reach 85c on cpu and gpu after a couple of hours gaming. The fps would also jump from 150 down to 60 for a couple of seconds and then back to 150 in quake champions. Now I am not sure if this is because of the game not being optimized yet or if it was my CPU or single channel ram causing this.

Anyway now I have decided to give msi a try, read many positive feedback from owners and it seems that the got better cooling, use dual channel ram out of the box and better keyboard. And of course the models I am looking at has clockable CPU.

These are the two models I have found, not the best variation of setups here in Sweden.

MSI GT73vr 7RF
7820hk
16gb ram (2400 mhz I think)
256x256gb ssd + 1tb 7200rpm
gtx 1080
17" 1920x1080 120hz
Price 3440 usd

MSI GT73vr 6RE
6820hk
16gb ram (2133mhz I think)
128x128gb ssd + 1tb 7200rpm
gtx 1070
17" 1920x1080 120hz
Price 1950 usd

Note that the prices aren't exact since exchange rate change each day.

I will mostly be using the laptop for quake champions so keep that in mind when giving advice. I want to make full use of the 120hz screen and get constant 120fps, quality of the picture is not as important. I don't have problems increasing my budget and go for the more expensive one, just want to know if it's worth it for my needs.

I understand that the 7RF will perform better, but how much better? Is there any other differences between the models that could be good to know such as cooling, known problems etc.

All advices are much appreciated, will most likely buy one today.

Thank you!

 

Go with 1070.
1) Cheaper
2) Way more silent under 100% load
3) Lesser temps
4) 1070 is enough for 1080P 120Hz, I would take 1080 or 1070 SLI only for 4K gaming.

 

Thanks I will try the cheaper one first then!

Btw what is the difference between RF and RE?

 

I also noticed that the RE has a smaller power supply 230W ( RF 330W I think), is this enough if I overclock the REs CPU to 4ghz and 1070 at stock?

 

I had 6700K at 4.5GHz, 980M (120w, running at about 130w) and 4K 3840x2160 IPS display that pulls much more W than FHD one. Maximum I could get was 215w at full synthetic load tests, and in-game maximum of 180-185w at BF4 (everything maxed out at 4K). Including synthetic tests (in same time) of two SSD's and one HDD.
With mobile 7820HK (that is 45w, after OC max 55w? vs mine 70w desktop CPU after OC) and 1070 you are not able to break 230w barrier. It's impossible.

It's more than enough, don't worry about it. And remember that 230W and 330W PSU's can pull out additional 20-30W if needed so running at 230W on 230W psu won't burn the world.

 

thanks man!

 

And to be sure (I never wan't to lie or be incompetent) I've checked: 1)
1) Max 202w but 7700HQ
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT62VR-6RE-Dominator-Pro-Notebook-Review.171215.0.html
2) GT73VR (1070), Max of 218w
https://www.notebookcheck.pl/Recenzja-MSI-GT73VR-6RE-Titan.173392.0.html

230w is pretty safe. And trust me, 330w is damn brick (I had this PSU).

 

7820HK can pull over 80W if heavily overclocked but no game would draw that amount of power.
Stockfish chess engine on 8 threads at 4.5 ghz and ring/uncore at 41x will not exceed 65w by itself (other applications trying to use resources can cause spikes higher).
The 7RE and 7RF (6RE and 6RF) use the exact same motherboard, so 330W can be swapped for 230W and 1080 (if you can find it in MSI (A2?) MXM can be swapped for 1070, provided you have the 1080 compatible heatsink.

If you're overclocking and running full load for hours, the 230w PSU can get very hot. That's something to keep in mind.

 

No, 7820HK can not pull over 80W. Unless you don't know how to set good voltage or use auto voltage...
My 6700K under 4.5GHz including cache set to 4.5GHz is 67-69W in extreme synthetic tests, and around 40-55w in games... So don't tell such stories.
6820HK, 6700K, 7820HK, 7700K is same CPU family...

 

You can pull over 80W easily with prime 95 small FFT with FMA3. I pulled 85W, at 4.4 ghz stock volts. Even prime blend eventually gets up there.
i don't tell stories. Don't accuse a 45 year old adult of lying. I don't appreciate it.

 

I bought the 6RE and man do I wish someone would have warned me or made better research myself. Apparently all laptops with the 1070 produced in 2016 has problems with crashing in new games. Not sure why exactly but it seems to be something with clock exceeding 1900mhz and voltage... laptops with the 1070 created in 2017 doesn't have this issue. Apparently mine was created in November 2016. Also got a red dot in the middle of the screen, is that a dead pixel?

Think I will return this one and go for the 7RF, seems like the owners of those are very happy.

 

The newer 1070's will signal "voltage reliabilty" and throttle instead of crashing. Anyway try flashing the 8a vbios. Most people prefer this Bios anyway because it disables automatic overclocking past the boost clocks, and even on a fully stable "2017" card, the clocks fluctuate less, and thus the FPS is more stable. If that Bios doesn't work for you, then you can RMA.

 

Falkentyne thanks for the info! Do you know if the warranty is affected if I flash vbios? Here in Sweden we got 14 days to return a product if you are not happy with it, and I don't want to gamble with that return right.

 

You can always flash back anyway. So, no. The vbios was OFFICIALLY released by MSI anyway just not on their webpage. It's not a hacked third party vBios.