GT73 7RF vs GT73 7RE

hi everyone,
hopefully someone will be able to help me to decide.
there is gt73vr 7RF with 7700hq, 16gb ram 2100 mhz, 1080 gtx and 256 ssd for a price of 2250 pounds but i also found a gt73 vr 7RE model with 7820hk, 32 gb 2400 1070 gtx and 512 ssd for 2200 pounds.
now i cant decide coz i want a laptop for a gaming and few years upfront as well i know 1070 its a great card but can some one tell me who had booth laptops in hands which one is better, whats the difference between those two model in gaming, screen difference, performance, temperatures?
is the price that 1080 7rf model cost just a 50 pounds more but entry level.
thanks

 

The 7700HQ is a massive bottleneck for a 1080. It's a very poor combo. 7820HK + 1070 will probably perform better in games.

Though It were my money, I would not buy either one and would instead invest in either the Asus G701/GL701VI or Alienware 17 R4

 

thx, but i can spend only 2300 max. i heard asus are great but has a overheating problems and poor quality sound. i tough about pcspecialist octane 3 but still not sure. i tought 7700hq with a 1080 would be good for a temperatures but i was worried about bottleneck so there is +1 for 7re for now on. thanks

 

Not really a good way to word that on your part. Claiming "all X brand devices do Y" is incredible wrong on many levels. You see, each model is vastly different from the rest. So while one model may have poor sound, another one may have the best sound in the industry. (look at the Lenovo Y520 - it has mediocre sound whereas the Y720 has the best speakers on the market in a laptop). Same with the GL701. It is very well cooled, actually, as evident by @iunlock 's tests.

 

tbh i dont mind a sound quality but i wanted to get this beats first but due to overheating and temp but it can happen in every brand but msi has well should have one of the best solutions but im gonna check it im confused now cos i know what you mean. thanks

 

GT series are well-cooled though they aren't silent. So you should expect 300W of thermal dissipation to sound like 300W of thermal dissipation.

G701VI does not overheat at stock and has a fully TDP-unlocked 1080.

 

but the price is higher as well i cant afford that much. can you please give me some examples how it would bottleneck cpu, in demanding games such as gta v? what would happen, is it really that bad combo? sry just want to have a clear view. thanks!

 

In a CPU-demanding game, the 1080 paired with a 7700HQ would perform worse than the 1070 paired with the 7820HK due to the CPU not being able to keep the GPU fed.

 

Get the 7820HK. The 1070 can be upgraded in the future if you have the money (requires 330W PSU, 1080 heatsink, and 1080 MXM card, and the PSU and heatsinks can be purchased easily if you know the right people). The 7700HQ cannot. The 7700HQ has less cache afaik, runs at 2.8 ghz stock and 3.4 ghz turbo on all cores, and WILL throttle in any game that uses 8 threads due to an unbypassable 45W TDP limit, unless you undervolt (they can undervolt by -150mv usually). The 7820HK can undervolt at 4.2 ghz usually at -100mv and most run 4.4 ghz at stock volts. That's a very large increase in speed (and the 45W TDP can be bypassed since this is an overclock SKU)

 

thanks mate. im still confused a bit, lot of people sayin there wnt be much difference except in video rendering/ editing between 7700hq and 7820hk. i wish i could believe in these words. other thing is i want to buy a laptop and keep it for few years without repasting etc if possible. do ye know whats the temperature difference in those models? i heard somewhere that 7700hq can be overclocked a bit, but mostly i want it for games for a few years upfront i had purchased 7re version with 7820hk but i cancelled it as ive seen a 7rf model for a 50 pounds more. if i only could see comparission between those two

 

Who the hell said that?
The 7700HQ clocks to 3.4 ghz maximum and throttles hard unless you undervolt it.
The 7820HK clocks to at least 4.4 ghz.

That's a 29% in raw clock speed ignoring cache size increase on the 7820HK......(or a 22.7% decrease if going from 4400 to 3400).

 

Ill find a link and send it tho i dont believe in that. Thats nice but i see many people sayin its not neccessary and im not planing to overclock just for a games. I also think a lot about octane 3 from pcp they supply 7700k desktop cpu with good price as well but i dont believe in these very high spec its too much temp thats why im considering 7rf but again 1080 heats a more than 1070 and if im not gonna oc or undervolt its pretty same as 7700hq on stock or am i wrong? Thx

 

Yes the 1080 heats up more so you need to use cooler boost or higher fan speeds. The 1070 is much cooler running. The problem is the 1080 is going to be held back considerably by the 7700HQ.
With your logic, you're better off just saving more money and buying a 7700HQ and a GTX 1070 instead, probably for 400 pounds cheaper.
See the problem? You want an overclockable CPU but don't want to overclock it, but you don't want to pair it with a 1080. Yet you want a 7700HQ that you cant overclock, and pair it to a fast GPU that will be held back by the slower processor, preventing the GTX 1080 from achieving its full speed.

Why bother with either, then? Get a GT72 with a 7700HQ and a GTX 1070....but you're going to wind up regretting how slow the 7700HQ winds up being eventually.

BTW on MSI's laptop, the 7820HK defaults to 3.9 ghz on all cores (even though the base clock is 2.9 ghz and normal turbo boost is 3900 on 1 core and 3500 on 4 cores).

 

Well u quite right lol but i never said i wouldnt oc in future so only one answer is to get 7rf with 7820 but thats the thing that keeps me back + 300 and if its isnt too much for a laptop ive seen some gaming on 7rf 7700 it looked smooth but this is why i wanted to get opinions cos reviews or test such as here isnt a big difference http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7820HK-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ/m224965vsm211019 but if its possible to change gpu in future as well im really thinking go get 7re. Its actually this one here
http://www.ebuyer.com/770940-msi-gt73vr-7re-titan-gaming-laptop-9s7-17a121-287

Ive never ordered from here so if anyone have any ecxperiences ewould appreciate

 

That benchmark you posted is the 7820HK and 7700HQ running at base clocks (2.9 ghz and 2.8 ghz) without turbo. So you aren't going to see much of a difference. +100 mhz and extra cache = 7% (3% clock speed difference + 2mb more cache=7%).

The 7700HQ turbos up to 3.4 ghz if you undervolt to avoid TDP throttling at 45 watts, 7820HK is set to 3.9 ghz at all cores in the Bios, as it's an unlocked processor.

As I said you're really grasping at straws here and making things MUCH harder than they should be. Three people told you to get the 7820HK, yet you're still arguing with us over benchmarks and "7700HQ is good enough". Buy the MOST COMPUTER you can afford. Period. And if you can NOT afford something, see if you can upgrade it.

Example:
GT72VR Dominator Pro with 7700HQ and 1070 GTX is cheap. But 7700HQ cannot be upgraded, won't go past 3.4 ghz on all cores, upgrading 1070 GTX to 1080 GTX is NOT possible because there is no 330W PSU brick for this model, as far as I know (the Delta 330W PSU pin only fits the Titan 7RE and 7RF), and I think the heatsink assembly is different on the GT72VR and the GT73VR Titan, but I'm not completely sure of that (the Titan has much better cooling), and you only have one M.2 SSD slot (combo pcie/nvme). And you wouldn't want to put a GTX 1080 on a 7700HQ anyway since the CPU won't be able to keep the video card happy.

7RE has 7820HK and 1070 GTX and three M.2 slots. 7820HK can be overclocked if you need more speed, runs at least 4.4 ghz at stock, 4.2 ghz undervolted, GTX 1070 can be upgraded to 1080 (needs 330W PSU and 1080 heatsink assembly and the hard to find MxM card), for more speed, and will keep you happy for a longer period of time.

7RF with 7700HQ and GTX 1080 is a joke. This machine should not exist and isn't even usually sold in USA with this configuration. 7RF is supposed to come with 7820HK and GTX 1080.

 

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Thanks for make things clear im gonna grab 7re i was so close today and yesterday to order 7700 7rf but thankfully i didnt and for a 7rf with same specs except gpu for a +400 pounds for a few more fps not worth either

 

The 7RE is the right choice, especially since if you get the 1080 heatsink (the 1080 layout is different than the 1070), you can always upgrade to the 1080, and the required 330W PSU in the future.
I came from buying a GT72VR 7700HQ + 1070 (Dominator pro) and RMA'd it for the 7RE. I didn't realize how much I was gimping myself with buying a locked CPU. I haven't bought a locked CPU in years...besides the 2670QM...so returning that 7700HQ for a 7820HK was a very wise choice.