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    GT60/70 Super RAID Adapter

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by quietas, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. quietas

    quietas Notebook Consultant

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    I ran across this the other day and I've wondered if anyone has tried it: TECS

    If so, does it work and is there a US source I can buy one from?
     
  2. julesv

    julesv Notebook Enthusiast

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    can't comment on if it works, though I can vouch for the store - that is where I purchased my GT70 0NE model and they were great - quick delivery, confirmed my order by phone after I ordered online etc. but yes I do live in Australia, so delivery to the states may be an issue.
     
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    darkhawk13 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Going by the picture, it looks good. It looks the same as the one in my GT70.

    Will it work? No idea......$99 might be worth it if you want it though....

    I'm sure if you looked around, there is probably a reseller here state-side that has them.....but I wouldn't bet on it 100%. I think they only way they get them is if they take them out of notebooks. I'm kind of surprised that the MSI Store doesn't sell them. I bet if you got the P/N you could probably order one from the MSI store.......
     
  4. GenTechPC

    GenTechPC Company Representative

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    It will work, it's proprietary module made by MSI and will only work on MSI GT70/GT60:

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  5. januszzbych

    januszzbych Notebook Consultant

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    maybe it will aslo work with GT780DXR ? or not ?
     
  6. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    No, it only has one SATA port wired to that connector on the motherboard. However both 2.5" bays on that are Gen3 so you can just raid your own drives.
     
  7. WhatsThePoint

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    Maingear produces a Whitebook based model with Super Raid.

    Ken,have you tested the Super Raid adapter in MSI Whitebooks;either a 16F3 or 1762?

    I don't know if it would work in a GT78x series with only a single mSATA SSD as a non raid disk?
     
  8. qweryuiop

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    Am trying to find one this whole time, wondering if anyone will ship the adaptor only to UK, god this country get parts so slow and pricey with the vat inclusive.... also i've been wondering what the connector next to it does..... is tat the connector to enable 3d capability?
     
  9. GenTechPC

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    Yes I did tested on barebones a while back and it worked. But I think it only work for Intel 3rd Gen models.
     
  10. WhatsThePoint

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    MSI,like all other notebook manufacturers,wants to make money.

    By selling the Super Raid adapter they can only make a small margin but if they sell it in a notebook along with 2 mSATA SSDs the margin is much greater for them.

    The consumer in this case may not be getting the best product and not the mSATA SSDs of their choosing.

    All the Super Raid model presently sold in my region have 2x64GB Sandisk U100 mSATA SSDs and most know that they are possibly the worst SATA III 6GB/s mSATA SSDs hands down.
     
  11. qweryuiop

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    We get the barebones with 1 sata3 port and no method to enable 2nd sata3 port.... with the m500 coming out i'm urging to get my hands on the adaptor....
     
  12. GalaxySII

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    Hi guys is it poss that I can run this Super RAID Adapter in my Vaio AW series laptop OR in my Acre Aspire Ethos Laptop ? thnx
     
  13. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    No, it's a totally custom connector that requires two SATA ports routed to it.
     
  14. qweryuiop

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    just to confirm that the adapter from TECS works, have a friend who came over to visit me from australia and baam, my 1762 is now running dual msata raid 0
     
  15. GalaxySII

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    Yeah i got two ports..

    what i 1762?
    i heard from this site that this doesnt support trim and ssds stagnating ..
     
  16. WhatsThePoint

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    Information posted on forums is not always accurate.

    The 1762 is a barebones version of the GT70 and share the same motherboard that has both SATA III connections allowed by the HM77 chipset routed to the primary drive bay.

    When the Super Raid adapter is installed in primary drive bay of any GT60 or GT70 and 2 of the same SATA III mSATA SSDs are in the adapter a raid array is possible with a raid enabled bios.

    The installation of the Intel RST that closely matches the version number of the Raid Utility OROM is also essential to the raid setup.

    The Super Raid Adapter can also be used with a single mSATA SSD in a non raid setup.
     
  17. davidkwan

    davidkwan Notebook Consultant

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    And one more information, TRIM function is supported in this RAID controller card as well.

    For SSD firmware upgrade under superRAID contorller card (use my crucial SSD as reference), the firmware upgrade is supported, but maybe it cannot perform directly by windows base flashing program, instead command line base flashing is fine! (check with your SSD manufacturer, or crucial website if you are M4 owner)
     
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    not so useful IMO unless you already have an MSATA SSD, since like you said the SATA connector is SATA3(limited by current technology) this means both the msata will be limited to a combined bandwidth of 6GBps(pretty sure both connectors will be SATA2), this only makes the SATA SSDs more attractive to customers, as current SSD price are lower on SATA than on mSATA, plus you get no "extra" space from msata(2) raid as the M500 series are released(and cheaper than 2 msata SSDs)
     
  20. Meaker@Sager

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    Just get a nice large 2.5 inch, it will be plenty and offer the space of any 2 msata drives.
     
  21. felix3650

    felix3650 Notebook Evangelist

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    The SuperRAID adapter's connector uses 3 aditional pins for mSATA clock syncronisation and controller enable over the "old" SATA adapter found on the previous models (1761/16F2). It will not work with a GT780DX because of this different pin configuration and motherboard support. I don't remember well but I think that Intel RST 11.7 supports TRIM on this config. Also an mSATA SSD with it's own garbage collection algorithm might do the trick.
    Does anyone know the Endurance of Samsung's 840 Pros? I can't seem to find anywhere..

    As Meaker said a single SSD would do the work just fine and you wouldn't even notice the difference ;)
     
  22. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    When you say endurance do you mean the rating of the NAND? I think it's 3000 operations at least.
     
  23. felix3650

    felix3650 Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes I ment that. Samsung seems to stay mum about it. On the Pro model I was thinking 5000. The standard non-Pro maybe it's 3000.
    Anyway at least for 5 years it will last with normal usage :p
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

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    It's 1000 for the TLC non pro and 3000 for the pro.
     
  25. felix3650

    felix3650 Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks!

    I'm at 490GB written for now :) on the 256GB Pro, less that 2 times the drive itself :p

    Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2
     
  26. qweryuiop

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    already written past 2 TB within the last 3 weeks on my raid volume.... failed disk clone twice and an additional disk clone to change stripe size, and moved all steam games to a separate partition to run on dual boot win 7 and 8 (yea both windows can run the same game on that partition if and only if the game can be installed outside C partition), and currently thinking about changing over to UEFI boot mode, XONARs unlocked bios has the UEFI boot option and I did successfully installed GPT windows 8 on my eSATA samsung 830, unfortunately it is only GPT bootable, I cannot find the UEFI interface inside the system
     
  27. IniquitousSoul

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    Agreed WTP.

    What I really don't like about MSI's approach is to make marketing claims that SuperRaid is an " option" which simply is NOT TRUE. By them REFUSING to make this adapter available to customers who have GT60/70 machines they are lying when they say it is an "option". In reality it is a FEATURE if someone buys not only the adapter but also two garbage AND very expensive mSATA drives.

    Unfortunately TECS no longer lists this adapter on their web site. Don't know if this is a temporary shortage or if they have pulled it altogether.

    Fortunately I obtained one of these adapters already (I won't state the source, new or used, USA or other...)

    When I purchased my GT70 I already had a Crucial 256GB mSATA drive I wanted to use with another for RAID 0. Why would I want to pay several hundred dollars for the "option" and two garbage mSATA drives? Answer: I wouldn't and I didn't.

    MSI has a good product, but horrible marketing and poor understanding of customer care IMHO.
     
  28. qweryuiop

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    I wonder if apple would sell you their proprietary SSD, or anything thats proprietary, that is customer care too, and one of the most popular brand
     
  29. IniquitousSoul

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    Brilliant. LOL
     
  30. quietas

    quietas Notebook Consultant

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    I am still hunting for a damned Super RAID Adapter. If anyone runs across another source please PM me or reply here.
     
  31. kamio

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    I with you in that I am still hunting for this adapter. It seems that TECS has posted a three slotted version for the adapter for $150 (I assume AUD). I've not seen another source yet.

    3x msata adapter

    Has anyone been able to purchase and confirm that this works? If so, does TECS sell/ship to the US? Also. are there any taxes, tariffs, etc with purchasing for shipment to the US?

    Trying to make an educated decision.

    Thanks
     
  32. Yuri_RP

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    Hello,

    I have problems with this setup. Using MSI Barebones MS-16F4, equal to MSI GT60 2OC. I'm using 3 x Samsung 840 EVO 120GB mSATA in RAID 0. After windows 8.1 install, not long it suddenly restart, then it won't boot again and keeps on restarting, showing black screen and only the mouse cursor is available, with the power button lights blinking from orange/white.

    Tried reinstalling the windows all over again, but the same thing happens after 2x installs. Afraid that it will burn the SSD or something.

    Have you encountered this problems before? Or can you help me on this matter?
    I just recently added the extra 2 SSD. Previously running fine with single SSD.

    Would really like some help.

    Thank you.

    Regards,

    Yuri
     
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    So does this mean they just can't be used as non-raid? That it wont show 2 x msata disks?

    Coz this is what i've been trying to do :p :
    * Win7 x64 onto a 120gb EVO. All good.
    * I've taken out the HDD, which was in Sata3, placed the 2 x mSata adapter in there (HDD will go to caddy in DVD drive).
    * I can't get Win7 or BIOS (which I flashed to 10y for Win7) to recognise more than 1 mSata. I got the same result from the empty Sata2 slot.

    My preliminary research leans toward the speed difference not being practically useful, compared to a SSD.
    However, IF the PCI/i7 IS actually supporting true Raid0 Sata3 speeds then it would definitely make a difference for video editing.

    I've got the 30y Win7 BIOS for raid ready.

    What are you thoughts on whether it can maintain those speeds?

    Any pointers to a guide on setting up the 2 x mSata as Raid0?
     
  35. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    SuperRAID 2 is known to reach 1500MB/s via 3x mSATA SSD.
    SuperRAID 3 is known to reach 1600MB/s via 4x M.2 SSD.
     
  36. januszzbych

    januszzbych Notebook Consultant

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    Hi, i go mine barebone GT70 with the superraid 2 MS-16F42 , without disks, now when i got some money i bought 3xsame SSD 128GB mstata disk, i also change it at bios from AHCI to RAID since i did it when windows starts i have blue screen! and restart, its RAID 0, Windows 7 x64, i have no idea why, it isa possible to make it run without fresh instalation ? please Help me :( Thanks
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  37. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Have you created a RAID array already? Below are some search results for your reference.
    Convert from AHCI to RAID without reinstalling Windows 7.
     
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    januszzbych Notebook Consultant

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    Hi, I own You a good Dutch Beer ;) Thanks a lot ;) Take a look ;)
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    Those are some very nice scores :thumbsup:
     
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    Really? Thought quad RAID 0 would be 2GB...
    Or at least 1800 ...
     
  41. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Perhaps there's some kind of hardware limitation such as bus bandwidth, or issue related to SSD specification.