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    Disable Hyper-Threading for MSI GE60

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by thinkgreen, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    Hello guys,
    I have a problem with my new MSI GE60 Notebook.
    It has a Intel i7-4700MQ cCPU, Nvidia Geforce GTX 765M (2GB) GPU, 8GB DDR3 RAM and 2x 64GB SSD (Raid) + 1TB HDD.
    It is really a nice notebook but like with so many notebooks you have almost no possiblities inside BIOS.
    I have only System Information, Boot options, Raid options and a few others.

    Now the problem is I use a lot of old software which isn't able to handle more than 1 thread.
    So cause of the virtual splitting of the physical 4 cores in i7 I get very bad performance for these softwares.
    Cause they can't use the full power of a core.

    I found this thread here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...-settings-without-flashing-modded-bios-8.html
    I don't want to flash my BIOS because MSI has no flash back possibilities and they have different BIOS versions for different OS etc. it's too risky.
    But that tool that the User Dufus has there looks promising.
    I just was 3 weeks too late and because some guys don't know what they are doing when they have full BIOS options unlocked the links got removed.

    I didn't find any possibilty of private messages in this forum so I try to get in contact with him through this thread.
    If you will give me access to your tool I will only disable HT and that's it, so don't worry I might do something wrong.
    I hope you will help me.
     
  2. Dufus

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    Sorry thinkgreen but the Enabler was supposed to solve problems, not create them so I will not be providing any further support for this. Gives weight to why manufacturers lock the BIOS down so much. If you google you may find someone else is hosting it but for my part I'm done with it.
     
  3. apachehavok

    apachehavok Notebook Evangelist

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    Just out of curiosity, what software are you using? If it cant handle 8 threads, even with disabling hyperthreading, what makes you think 4 is going to be any better?
     
  4. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    I'm in education for qualified IT specialist. It's your decission but I know what I do when I'm in BIOS.
    This time the problem is just that I don't have access, I won't brick my system by disabling HT in BIOS.
    I would really appreciate if you post a time limited paste with the download link.
    If you won't, well it was worth the try thanks anyways.

    @apachehavok: I want to run old software which isn't able to handle more than 1 core, if this core is now even virtually splitted I get performance decrease.
     
  5. apachehavok

    apachehavok Notebook Evangelist

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    What software? Im super curious.
     
  6. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    A old game
     
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    Kevin@GenTechPC Company Representative

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  8. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    Yea you can but it doesn't change the fact that this allocated core is splitted into two.
    There is no other possiblitly than disabling HT in BIOS, I wouldn't register here and try to get Dufus attention if it wouldn't be the only way ;)
     
  9. zipperi

    zipperi Notebook Deity

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    But the turbo speed is the same 3.4 GHz on one core with either one or two threads running I think; 2 cores 3.3 and 4 cores 3.2.
     
  10. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Have you checked XTU for the option?
     
  11. Dufus

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    Running a single thread on one core will not fix performance issues due to HT as Windows may assign another thread on the same core and then there may be contention with core resources. Also priority is ignored between 2 threads on the same core.

    Meaker, the GE version does not include the XTU BIOS support as found in the GT so options are pretty basic. This limitation is totally artificial though, i.e. you don't get them simply because it is an entry level machine and didn't pay for it.
     
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  12. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    I would run the software on a empty core and I can be sure that the other processes running in background won't enter this core cause it will be at his limit.
    Atm I can only allocate it to a empty core but other prcoesses may enter the related logical core and will decrease performance.

    So disabling HT would definatly help, whatever your decission seems very final... what a shame.
     
  13. apachehavok

    apachehavok Notebook Evangelist

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    what game?
     
  14. thinkgreen

    thinkgreen Newbie

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    You are a bit too curious for my taste :p

    Thread can get closed.
     
  15. apachehavok

    apachehavok Notebook Evangelist

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    Well maybe, just maybe someone on this thread has played that specific game and/or knows of a specific software fix that has worked for them so you can keep hyperthreading enabled. There are also many emulation options for older games. If you are asking for help getting a piece of software running, the first logical thing to do would be to ask about THAT software. Not trying to pry, just have experience getting older games to run on newer systems (ie old floppy disk games) but without knowing the game, I nor others can really offer that much help.
     
  16. thinkgreen

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    Ohh i see you missunderstood me, it's not about such a old software that it wouldn't run with HT enabled.
    It's about optimizing performance of a software which is able to run but not with the maximum performance because of the virtual splitting of cores while being only able to handle one thread.
    So the only way is disabling HT, there is no software solution for this and Dufus was the only guy I found on www who had unlocked the BIOS for MSI laptops without flashing custom firmware.
    That's why I asked so specificly and thats why it doesn't matter what software it is.

    Whatever I finally got the BIOS options unlocked with Dufus tool, disabled HT and got the performance increase I wished for.
    Thanks again Dufus, thread can get closed.
     
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    How did you find it?
     
  18. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I believe the software was removed after people bricked their systems using it, also you can come out and say if you are using an emulator lol.

    Bringing back older threads where the OP has not been back since does not usually get you much.
     
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    I know it was removed, that is why I'm asking ;( Maybe someone will help.
     
  20. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Svet over at the MSI company forum will be able to sort an unlocked bios out for you.